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I wonder how many out of work mechanics, sandwich makers, detailers, and electronics techs must be gritting their teeth reading this thread! <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
Like having hosties clean the cabin on turn-arounds, as innocent as it seems, it IS depriving people of an income.
Imagine the reaction if a post were submitted by Mike the Mechanic reading something like:
A-grade mechanic, excellent worker, fast and reliable. Skilled on all makes of vehicles.. .Also holds unrestricted PPL, multi-engine, class 1 I.R. - willing to fly if required.
The howling abuse would reverberate for weeks!
Kaptin_X, this is NOT having a jibe at you personally, however your example...... . [quote]I clearly remember my first GA job, and the boss calling me at home on a Sunday (day off) and asking me to come out and bring a multimeter with me because the charger on the battery cart had **** itself. My previous job was as an electronics technician.<hr></blockquote>
..lends itself EXTREMELY well.. .Why the #*%# didn`t your tight-@rsed boss PAY for a leco to come out on a Sunday, instead of using you on your day off?. .Again, it deprived someone - who was qualified, and relied on the work to support his family - of an income.
Like having hosties clean the cabin on turn-arounds, as innocent as it seems, it IS depriving people of an income.
Imagine the reaction if a post were submitted by Mike the Mechanic reading something like:
A-grade mechanic, excellent worker, fast and reliable. Skilled on all makes of vehicles.. .Also holds unrestricted PPL, multi-engine, class 1 I.R. - willing to fly if required.
The howling abuse would reverberate for weeks!
Kaptin_X, this is NOT having a jibe at you personally, however your example...... . [quote]I clearly remember my first GA job, and the boss calling me at home on a Sunday (day off) and asking me to come out and bring a multimeter with me because the charger on the battery cart had **** itself. My previous job was as an electronics technician.<hr></blockquote>
..lends itself EXTREMELY well.. .Why the #*%# didn`t your tight-@rsed boss PAY for a leco to come out on a Sunday, instead of using you on your day off?. .Again, it deprived someone - who was qualified, and relied on the work to support his family - of an income.
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Kaptin M, what a ball tearer! "Mike the mechanic" . . . . 
Don't get 'em started on PPL charters!! If they aint figured yet that the old trade skills were not the right approach for the ADVERTISED POSITION then I reckon friend Radar is in with a good shot! All power to him/her too.
Don't get 'em started on PPL charters!! If they aint figured yet that the old trade skills were not the right approach for the ADVERTISED POSITION then I reckon friend Radar is in with a good shot! All power to him/her too.
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for the record snide, i'm a him.
I hope all the newbies tuning into this thread have heard the same penny I heard.
Kaptain M, I am not sure what type of Utopia you live in, but if you were qualified to fix your own car, would you pay full dealer price so you can feel good about feeding the mechanic.
I didnt think so.
I hope all the newbies tuning into this thread have heard the same penny I heard.
Kaptain M, I am not sure what type of Utopia you live in, but if you were qualified to fix your own car, would you pay full dealer price so you can feel good about feeding the mechanic.
I didnt think so.
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Kaptin M stated [quote]Why the #*%# didn`t your tight-@rsed boss PAY for a leco to come out on a Sunday, instead of using you on your day off?. . <hr></blockquote>
Yeah, good question! Unfortunately those positions one is apt to find oneself in (at least at this end of the food chain, anyway), tends to manifest itself from a beginning something along the lines of....
ring, ring . ."Uh, hullo"?. ."Ah, g'day Bob, it's yer boss. Listen I'm stuck and I need your help......."
Hmmm. Now you have three options as I see them:
1/. Say "yep, I'll be there ASAP". Because you know that while you are fully entitled to a day off, you are also a part of a small organisation that can only prosper if the staff all go that extra mile for each other.
2/. Tell him that you'll fix it first thing tomorrow. It won't get todays charter done, and the charterers will probably go to your oposition and may never ever come back to your shonky little set-up (impression gained from the non-servicability of your a/c).
3/. Tell him he's dreaming, that if he needed a sparkie then ring one and not you, it's your day off! Now wouldn't that be just the most fantastic carreer move that one could ever make? I'll betcha this one gets remembered if you just happen to ask for a pay rise down the track.
Kaptin M. Perhaps if you were to respond to questions asked of you, you might get more responses to your own questions. I asked a perfectly appropriate and non-controvertial one of you around 9-10 months ago and you never even acknowledged that one was asked of you or bothered with a reply.
Don't lose touch with the world, it changes too quickly. And try not to belittle someone who is keen and wants to go that "extra mile" so that he/she might get those first valuable hours. Glass houses.... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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Yeah, good question! Unfortunately those positions one is apt to find oneself in (at least at this end of the food chain, anyway), tends to manifest itself from a beginning something along the lines of....
ring, ring . ."Uh, hullo"?. ."Ah, g'day Bob, it's yer boss. Listen I'm stuck and I need your help......."
Hmmm. Now you have three options as I see them:
1/. Say "yep, I'll be there ASAP". Because you know that while you are fully entitled to a day off, you are also a part of a small organisation that can only prosper if the staff all go that extra mile for each other.
2/. Tell him that you'll fix it first thing tomorrow. It won't get todays charter done, and the charterers will probably go to your oposition and may never ever come back to your shonky little set-up (impression gained from the non-servicability of your a/c).
3/. Tell him he's dreaming, that if he needed a sparkie then ring one and not you, it's your day off! Now wouldn't that be just the most fantastic carreer move that one could ever make? I'll betcha this one gets remembered if you just happen to ask for a pay rise down the track.
Kaptin M. Perhaps if you were to respond to questions asked of you, you might get more responses to your own questions. I asked a perfectly appropriate and non-controvertial one of you around 9-10 months ago and you never even acknowledged that one was asked of you or bothered with a reply.
Don't lose touch with the world, it changes too quickly. And try not to belittle someone who is keen and wants to go that "extra mile" so that he/she might get those first valuable hours. Glass houses.... <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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G'day Mr. O'Rielly,
I'm very glad the coin fell for you and thanks for saying so. Now I know you're a bloke I shall address you so. Doesn't pay to assume, even with mechanics!
When you get those knobby photos taken get a set done with a khaki shirt and bars as well as the white. Send both. The khaki sets the outback flavour. Look at outback coppers. PLEASE apply for the gig.
For those who still can't grasp the concept the purpose of starting the thread was never to slag anyones trade, or dictate how you should behave ONCE you land that all important first job. If you get your jollies gutting fish for the boss when not flying his clunker then feel free, cause that's probably the renumeration with some of the sharks anyway. Your trade skills will be on your CV anyway and the desperate or unscrupulous boss will soon seek them out if he/she is of a mind to.
The purpose was to highlight what I see, from my own experience, as the dreadful disservice many young folk do themselves when applying for jobs.
Let's stick to the example advertised job and play with the responses on this thread.
Gaunty, feel free to jump in everytime I lose the plot. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
As we are aviators let's assume some degree of problem solving skills. Job is for pilot of lighty at Wilpena Pound. Pilot and aircraft need runway. Check ERSA, nothing. Check AOPA airfield directory, bingo, it's really called Arkapena. Check ERSA, still nothing. Back to directory to find it's private, permission required, it's owned by a resort and now we have the phone numbers and names. Check the charts for actual location and position of nearest towns and airfields.
So I've told you nothing so far that you couldn't have found out yourself with what you've got in your own flight bag.
Resort, ring the Tourist mob in Adelaide. Oh, they do scenic flights. Get your girlfriend or mum to ring the joint direct and enquire about this and that and scenic flights. So far you haven't left the lounge and you've pretty much got the flying operation pegged.
If you've got an extension phone or good ears then you might take notice of the voice on the other end of the phone. How classy was the public voice of the operation?
Now fire up the web and surf around. How long has this guy owned the place? What ammenities and services do they offer? What, how good, does the joint look.
How do people get there? Long drive from most places, posible car troubles, those mechanical skills might be a handy backstop, in the knapsack for later, after all even if there is a workshop in the town 8k's away.
Maybe you need to fly down to Adelaide to pick punters up from the international or interstate terminals. Better brush up on those proceedures just in case. Maybe he uses some top operator on charter to bring the tourists up and the single just does the scenics. Maybe, if you're good, there's a chance of moving to the charter twin later on. With a nil lighting 900m strip 1360ft up it won't be a Dash 8 but hell it's a chance and then you might get seen and heard by the regionals down at Adelaide. Better try hard to get this one.
So now you've found out all by yourself a lot of valuable information to assist with your application. This guy has been there forever so he must be doing something right in the PEOPLE business. What sort of personal presentation might impress?
Let's start at Adelaide airport. Regardless of it is you or that charter operator picking up the punters what would this man want to see? When they slither around to the palacial GA terminal building you wont know most likely if they have just gotten off 1st class with Singapore Airlines or back stairs with Virgin Blue. Is this passenger a yanky CEO in a bad shirt or some bum from Brissie? Is it "Sorry about the shirt stains Rabbi, but I've been cooking pork in the snack bar" or "Welcome, have you ever been to Wilpena before? You are really in for a treat, make sure you take the scenic flight", or even worse than the first approach, some sweating, grunting, heaving mass of uncommunicative humanity heaving bags on board with no regard.
So lets now move to the resort. When the relaxed tourist in shorts and T fronts the t*ts and teeth at reception to take the scenic flight what might be the impression the owner want's to create? "Yeah, Davo's under the dozer so it should be about an hour" or "Our pilot is just giving a talk to the kids on water safety at the pool so I'll take you to the plane at 10:00AM". Would this guy be likely to be happy with "Yeah, any time you like, I'll just try and find the pilot" or "Well we are heavily booked and David likes to clean the aircraft at least once a day so how about 3:00PM?"
Have a look at the advertised number of hours on offer for the period. Divide it by 2 if you like. Daylight hours only, how much non flying time? So in the example of Wilpena Pound Resort who amongst you thinks "and I can also trap rabbits" is the right approach?
No one, least of all me, is trying to deny you the pleasure of your old trade. Simply trying for a wake-up call in my undereducated fashion.
So finally, if you were in the Resort owner's shoes, given the available non flying time, would you rather, in a business sense, your pilot striding past the pool, walking through the restaurant in crisp uniform as a mobile billboard, or cleaning the crappers in shorts and thongs? If he aint figured out yet that kids love a man in uniform and kids pester their parents then maybe, in a humble way of course, you might seek an opening to suggest such an onerous task BEFORE you show him your toilet brush.
Good luck Radar
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I'm very glad the coin fell for you and thanks for saying so. Now I know you're a bloke I shall address you so. Doesn't pay to assume, even with mechanics!
When you get those knobby photos taken get a set done with a khaki shirt and bars as well as the white. Send both. The khaki sets the outback flavour. Look at outback coppers. PLEASE apply for the gig.
For those who still can't grasp the concept the purpose of starting the thread was never to slag anyones trade, or dictate how you should behave ONCE you land that all important first job. If you get your jollies gutting fish for the boss when not flying his clunker then feel free, cause that's probably the renumeration with some of the sharks anyway. Your trade skills will be on your CV anyway and the desperate or unscrupulous boss will soon seek them out if he/she is of a mind to.
The purpose was to highlight what I see, from my own experience, as the dreadful disservice many young folk do themselves when applying for jobs.
Let's stick to the example advertised job and play with the responses on this thread.
Gaunty, feel free to jump in everytime I lose the plot. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
As we are aviators let's assume some degree of problem solving skills. Job is for pilot of lighty at Wilpena Pound. Pilot and aircraft need runway. Check ERSA, nothing. Check AOPA airfield directory, bingo, it's really called Arkapena. Check ERSA, still nothing. Back to directory to find it's private, permission required, it's owned by a resort and now we have the phone numbers and names. Check the charts for actual location and position of nearest towns and airfields.
So I've told you nothing so far that you couldn't have found out yourself with what you've got in your own flight bag.
Resort, ring the Tourist mob in Adelaide. Oh, they do scenic flights. Get your girlfriend or mum to ring the joint direct and enquire about this and that and scenic flights. So far you haven't left the lounge and you've pretty much got the flying operation pegged.
If you've got an extension phone or good ears then you might take notice of the voice on the other end of the phone. How classy was the public voice of the operation?
Now fire up the web and surf around. How long has this guy owned the place? What ammenities and services do they offer? What, how good, does the joint look.
How do people get there? Long drive from most places, posible car troubles, those mechanical skills might be a handy backstop, in the knapsack for later, after all even if there is a workshop in the town 8k's away.
Maybe you need to fly down to Adelaide to pick punters up from the international or interstate terminals. Better brush up on those proceedures just in case. Maybe he uses some top operator
on charter to bring the tourists up and the single just does the scenics. Maybe, if you're good, there's a chance of moving to the charter twin later on. With a nil lighting 900m strip 1360ft up it won't be a Dash 8 but hell it's a chance and then you might get seen and heard by the regionals down at Adelaide. Better try hard to get this one.So now you've found out all by yourself a lot of valuable information to assist with your application. This guy has been there forever so he must be doing something right in the PEOPLE business. What sort of personal presentation might impress?
Let's start at Adelaide airport. Regardless of it is you or that charter operator picking up the punters what would this man want to see? When they slither around to the palacial GA terminal building you wont know most likely if they have just gotten off 1st class with Singapore Airlines or back stairs with Virgin Blue. Is this passenger a yanky CEO in a bad shirt or some bum from Brissie? Is it "Sorry about the shirt stains Rabbi, but I've been cooking pork in the snack bar" or "Welcome, have you ever been to Wilpena before? You are really in for a treat, make sure you take the scenic flight", or even worse than the first approach, some sweating, grunting, heaving mass of uncommunicative humanity heaving bags on board with no regard.
So lets now move to the resort. When the relaxed tourist in shorts and T fronts the t*ts and teeth at reception to take the scenic flight what might be the impression the owner want's to create? "Yeah, Davo's under the dozer so it should be about an hour" or "Our pilot is just giving a talk to the kids on water safety at the pool so I'll take you to the plane at 10:00AM". Would this guy be likely to be happy with "Yeah, any time you like, I'll just try and find the pilot" or "Well we are heavily booked and David likes to clean the aircraft at least once a day so how about 3:00PM?"
Have a look at the advertised number of hours on offer for the period. Divide it by 2 if you like. Daylight hours only, how much non flying time? So in the example of Wilpena Pound Resort who amongst you thinks "and I can also trap rabbits" is the right approach?
No one, least of all me, is trying to deny you the pleasure of your old trade. Simply trying for a wake-up call in my undereducated fashion.
So finally, if you were in the Resort owner's shoes, given the available non flying time, would you rather, in a business sense, your pilot striding past the pool, walking through the restaurant in crisp uniform as a mobile billboard, or cleaning the crappers in shorts and thongs? If he aint figured out yet that kids love a man in uniform and kids pester their parents then maybe, in a humble way of course, you might seek an opening to suggest such an onerous task BEFORE you show him your toilet brush.
Good luck Radar
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Kaptin M,
I hear what you say, and the answer to why didn't the tight %$#@ed boss call out a leco is simple. He knew he could save money, and he knew I'd do it because I wanted to keep working for the company. GA still hasn't changed my mates tell me.
I had another job flying an amphibian, where part of my job was to take the tourists barra fishing after getting them to the camp. I drove the boat, entertained the rubber necks, caught fish, cooked fish and then flew them back to town. Why did I do all that? Because I enjoyed it, and I wanted to build experience. It was one of the few floating hulls in Australia 20 years ago, but I knocked up about 40 hours a month for a few months, and caught (and ate) a hell of a lot of barra.
We think it's regrettable that we have to do these extras, but some find it enjoyable and see it as part of the job. We think that only pilots are prevailed upon to do it, but it's widespread.
A friend's daughter in Oz, first year out as a solicitor (1999) and wanting to specialize in Family Law, earning A$23000 and running errands for the boss, indicates that the practice occurs in other industries. She used it as a stepping stone, and now, 3 years later, IS a family law specialist, working in Melbourne (Collins St) and earning $120000. She's on the way up, but she had to do some $hit things to get there.
I have no regrets about costing a tourist guide about a quarter of a job, because if he could fly, he'd be costing me a job.
I think the AFAP, or whoever represents GA in Australia now, should be attempting to stop the doctors, and others, who fly for GA companies gratis one day a week etc.
Give Radar a go. Radar, clean your fingernails and put on a clean shirt before you take prople flying, and good luck.
KapM, You can't HONESTLY tell me you didn't do extras as a GA pilot? Ever wash an aeroplane, or did you tell the boss you'd be taking the job of an aircraft cleaner?
429CJ, We're on the same wavelength.
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I hear what you say, and the answer to why didn't the tight %$#@ed boss call out a leco is simple. He knew he could save money, and he knew I'd do it because I wanted to keep working for the company. GA still hasn't changed my mates tell me.
I had another job flying an amphibian, where part of my job was to take the tourists barra fishing after getting them to the camp. I drove the boat, entertained the rubber necks, caught fish, cooked fish and then flew them back to town. Why did I do all that? Because I enjoyed it, and I wanted to build experience. It was one of the few floating hulls in Australia 20 years ago, but I knocked up about 40 hours a month for a few months, and caught (and ate) a hell of a lot of barra.
We think it's regrettable that we have to do these extras, but some find it enjoyable and see it as part of the job. We think that only pilots are prevailed upon to do it, but it's widespread.
A friend's daughter in Oz, first year out as a solicitor (1999) and wanting to specialize in Family Law, earning A$23000 and running errands for the boss, indicates that the practice occurs in other industries. She used it as a stepping stone, and now, 3 years later, IS a family law specialist, working in Melbourne (Collins St) and earning $120000. She's on the way up, but she had to do some $hit things to get there.
I have no regrets about costing a tourist guide about a quarter of a job, because if he could fly, he'd be costing me a job.
I think the AFAP, or whoever represents GA in Australia now, should be attempting to stop the doctors, and others, who fly for GA companies gratis one day a week etc.
Give Radar a go. Radar, clean your fingernails and put on a clean shirt before you take prople flying, and good luck.
KapM, You can't HONESTLY tell me you didn't do extras as a GA pilot? Ever wash an aeroplane, or did you tell the boss you'd be taking the job of an aircraft cleaner?
429CJ, We're on the same wavelength.
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Bullseye.
That closes out the discussion and should be a MUST DO template for any aspiring youngster.
They should print it off, laminate it, read it, do it, before applying for ANY job or firing off CVs willy nilly and continue to read it EVERY night, before they say their prayers before bed, until they get that job.
Then, every night after they get it.
Do NOT change it, argue about it, debate it, just DO it. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
. .Singlehandedly, snide, you might just have revolutionised the entire industry. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
Better presented wannabes just might get the operators to lift their game too. What a revolutionary idea. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Folks you would normally pay a fairly large pile of money to some fancy "guru" for that sort of advice and snide is known to have a fancy for an excellent red. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Bullseye.
That closes out the discussion and should be a MUST DO template for any aspiring youngster.
They should print it off, laminate it, read it, do it, before applying for ANY job or firing off CVs willy nilly and continue to read it EVERY night, before they say their prayers before bed, until they get that job.
Then, every night after they get it.
Do NOT change it, argue about it, debate it, just DO it. <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
. .Singlehandedly, snide, you might just have revolutionised the entire industry. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
Better presented wannabes just might get the operators to lift their game too. What a revolutionary idea. <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Folks you would normally pay a fairly large pile of money to some fancy "guru" for that sort of advice and snide is known to have a fancy for an excellent red. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
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And to think I loved all the charters that gave me the opportunity to get my hands dirty. Chasing, dipping, branding and loading cattle (no I have never worked or been based on a cattle property), giving the telstra guys a hand, passing 'tools' to the vet, spanners to the mechanic, helping out in the hangar or just chewing the fat with the client. Getting down and dirty whilst on the job was always a damn sight more fun than getting from A to B in an aircraft. Don't get me wrong, I love my job. Being an aviator IS the best job in the world but if you have more to offer an employer or a client than just 'flying a plane', trust me, you'll be a far more attractive commodity (spray painters are particularly popular).
You are so on the money Gaunty.....attitude is everything. A think with a slight attitude adjustment (and only slight) our unemployed friend may find himself behind the 'wheel' in no time.
Onya <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
You are so on the money Gaunty.....attitude is everything. A think with a slight attitude adjustment (and only slight) our unemployed friend may find himself behind the 'wheel' in no time.
Onya <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Having been at work and only quickly scanning the replies to our would-be intrepid aviator Radar O'Rielly - perhaps re-named now to Captain Crocodile Dundee 2 - I have deleted the post that was originally here so as not to detract from Gaunty's and Snide's informative, comprehensive tuitionals, given FOC.. .Certainly a bonus for PPRuNe readers, and the info an advantage for those seeking jobs. Thanks for taking the (not inconsiderable) time spent in compiling those scripts gents....a lot of valuable drinking time lost!!
In closing however, I would like to remind the PILOTS reading this thread, of the severe canings given to Freo some months backs when he (as an IT professional) offered HIS flying skills for ZILCH, on this forum - and likewise, the loud objections voiced against "meat bombers" who are similarly inclined to fly for free in order to gain a little more experience so that they can FINALLY get a "real job".
429, it might just be possible that I was at work (on one of the extended patterns we occasionally do), or on leave, that I didn't respond to your Q. However, as it was obviously an important one - being reminded of it 9-10 months later - kindly pose it again. I'm home for 2 days!!
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In closing however, I would like to remind the PILOTS reading this thread, of the severe canings given to Freo some months backs when he (as an IT professional) offered HIS flying skills for ZILCH, on this forum - and likewise, the loud objections voiced against "meat bombers" who are similarly inclined to fly for free in order to gain a little more experience so that they can FINALLY get a "real job".
429, it might just be possible that I was at work (on one of the extended patterns we occasionally do), or on leave, that I didn't respond to your Q. However, as it was obviously an important one - being reminded of it 9-10 months later - kindly pose it again. I'm home for 2 days!!
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To tell you the truth, I can't remember the details of the question exactly, suffice to say that it was only a straight-up question about "that year", and some of the goings-on that transpired. Tool Time and Amos were good enough to be able to answer the queries I had (but at a later stage), which I was/am very appreciative of.
Wasn't having a go at anyone back then, but you must admit that for someone who is in my position (ie; not involved in av. until '97) that it can be difficult to be able to find-out the fact from fiction as to what went on back then.
Thanks anyway Kaptin.
Dave.
Wasn't having a go at anyone back then, but you must admit that for someone who is in my position (ie; not involved in av. until '97) that it can be difficult to be able to find-out the fact from fiction as to what went on back then.
Thanks anyway Kaptin.
Dave.
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If it was a question about THAT year and I didn't reply 429, then I was (a)away at work, (b)on leave, or (c)comatose - not because I'm fanatically infatuated by it, but because there were many untruths that were allowed to be perpetuated by those who took the airlines' positions in Oz, whilst the rest of us were forced o/s. Email me if you remember.
Apologies for temporarily diverting your thread Radar, however it WILL return it to the top!
Apologies for temporarily diverting your thread Radar, however it WILL return it to the top!
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Good onya Radar!
Hope you put a nice letter in with that resume and don't forget, after a respectful time, follow-up!!
Very best of luck to you son. That first gig is a pig to find I'm afraid but always keep the faith, In yourself.
Always apply the background checks and presentation rules and even if it's chicken carcases as night freight it will come.
Let us know how you go.
Hope you put a nice letter in with that resume and don't forget, after a respectful time, follow-up!!
Very best of luck to you son. That first gig is a pig to find I'm afraid but always keep the faith, In yourself.
Always apply the background checks and presentation rules and even if it's chicken carcases as night freight it will come.
Let us know how you go.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Best of luck, Radar, as snide said, that first job seems like a big hurdle at the time - but we've ALL had to jump it.. .The follow-up, and the follow-up on the follow-up, will let them know that you're not worried about tree conservation, and if they are, then the monthly cull can be eased once YOU have been employed!. .Go4it!
Snide, Gaunty, Kaptin M. .Your words should be enshrined in perpetuity as guidance for the wannabes and to keep those that make it on track.
PS From what little I know of Radar and his commitment to finding that elusive first professional job, your efforts here have not been wasted. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
PS From what little I know of Radar and his commitment to finding that elusive first professional job, your efforts here have not been wasted. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">