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QF Regional Management Appointments
Qantas today announced the appointment of Bevan Coote to General manager Air Connex, who provide services to Qantas on behalf of Impulse Airlines.
In addition Ashley Kilroy has been appointed general manager of Eastern Australia Airlines, and will also continue as General Manager of Sunstate Airlines on a part time basis in Brisbane.
Very interesting..
In addition Ashley Kilroy has been appointed general manager of Eastern Australia Airlines, and will also continue as General Manager of Sunstate Airlines on a part time basis in Brisbane.
Very interesting..
Until such time as the cost/benefit analysis comes out strongly in favour of amalgamation, don't hold your breath. The blending of the AOCs would not be cheap and would not occur overnight. The common branding under QantasLink is a saving, as is the maintenance in Tamworth. Maybe the change of GM will see some changes at Eastern first?.
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Spinout, there was a proposed merging of the 3 pilot groups a while back (via the AFAP), which I think included grandfather clauses covering what you mentioned, but was poo-pooed by one particular selfish group....
It's a shame.
It's a shame.
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Spinout, I'am not sure about bace protection I know the company's will not be in favour of pilot's mooving all over the place.A stort term protection may work OK.
Bonez:
So you think paying three lots of middle management , Chief Pilots etc. Is cheaper then one lot of the boffin's etc I hardly think so.
Hugh:
You are absolutely the correct and now the other groups are having second thoughts, particularly about the grandfather clauses which protected pilots progression within their company's.
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Bonez:
So you think paying three lots of middle management , Chief Pilots etc. Is cheaper then one lot of the boffin's etc I hardly think so.
Hugh:
You are absolutely the correct and now the other groups are having second thoughts, particularly about the grandfather clauses which protected pilots progression within their company's.
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The only 3 QF owned (via the "merger' with Australian) regional airlines are Sunstate, Eastern and Southern. All operate the Dash 8 with Southern operating 3 Bae146's as well. Inspite of the logic of amalgamating all of them into one operator, what finally happens will be only at the behest of QF and only for QF's own benefit. Mind you now Asley is at the helm of 2 out of the 3 could see a further change sooner, rather than later!. 
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Hmmmm
Hugh: If you go back about 11 years you will find that the other selfish group that you are now part of screwed any chance of integration into mainline or career progression and all still suffer from that. I think the 'other' group to which you refer had no other interest than maintaining the status-quo. The union did not help then either. The recent "vote" does nothing to further any integration issues as QF and not the AFAP run the company. As is usual the employees will have to assimilate into the mould that QF cast.
Shaft 135: You can bet there would be a significant freeze on movements and a base freeze would certainly there – unless the company wanted otherwise! Bonze is right, there is much more to integration of the regionals then middle management and chief pilots etc. The savings would have to be elsewhere and they have not yet been shown to be there as yet.
If there is an amalgamation then you can bet it will not be to keep the pilot group happy but to ensure that there are operational and financial efficiencies within the group. You can also bet that pilot seniority will be datal and there will be a freeze on base and types for some time until it suits QF to do otherwise. Due to the many pilots with over 15 yrs service, you may well find it not to your advantage to be all in the same boat! And NJS and Impulse are not in this group.
Dingo is spot on. Maybe Ashley taking over Eastern is a first step. And part of his job will be to bring Eastern into line with the others in terms of efficiency and management structure. Only then will QF be in a position to decide on an amalgamation.
If and when it happens, you can bet QF will lay down the rules. The staff including pilots will just have to enjoy the ride.
Hugh: If you go back about 11 years you will find that the other selfish group that you are now part of screwed any chance of integration into mainline or career progression and all still suffer from that. I think the 'other' group to which you refer had no other interest than maintaining the status-quo. The union did not help then either. The recent "vote" does nothing to further any integration issues as QF and not the AFAP run the company. As is usual the employees will have to assimilate into the mould that QF cast.
Shaft 135: You can bet there would be a significant freeze on movements and a base freeze would certainly there – unless the company wanted otherwise! Bonze is right, there is much more to integration of the regionals then middle management and chief pilots etc. The savings would have to be elsewhere and they have not yet been shown to be there as yet.
If there is an amalgamation then you can bet it will not be to keep the pilot group happy but to ensure that there are operational and financial efficiencies within the group. You can also bet that pilot seniority will be datal and there will be a freeze on base and types for some time until it suits QF to do otherwise. Due to the many pilots with over 15 yrs service, you may well find it not to your advantage to be all in the same boat! And NJS and Impulse are not in this group.
Dingo is spot on. Maybe Ashley taking over Eastern is a first step. And part of his job will be to bring Eastern into line with the others in terms of efficiency and management structure. Only then will QF be in a position to decide on an amalgamation.
If and when it happens, you can bet QF will lay down the rules. The staff including pilots will just have to enjoy the ride.
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Triadic,
the case of which you speak was all but over by the time I joined the company.
So as for the pilot group of which you obviously are a member(?) goes. They wanted to maintain the status-quo did they? Okay, so what would have happened if the case had been successful....I take it not one of those pilots would have exercised their option of career progression? They would be content to fly Titans and Dashes for the remainder of their days?
I don't think so.......
the case of which you speak was all but over by the time I joined the company.
So as for the pilot group of which you obviously are a member(?) goes. They wanted to maintain the status-quo did they? Okay, so what would have happened if the case had been successful....I take it not one of those pilots would have exercised their option of career progression? They would be content to fly Titans and Dashes for the remainder of their days?
I don't think so.......
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It is my understanding that Eastern has been driving the "bringing in to line" of the other two regionals for some time. SOP'S are now standard etc making the change two one AOC reasonable. I also understood that EASTERN was the one making the money so maybe their management is ok! 
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As an aside, there seems to be a lot of frustration about lack of career progression etc.
Do you think you might have a better chance if perhaps you are represented by an organisation that has the ear of the company, so to speak?
Would the majority of Regional Pilots be interested? Because it would have to be a majority to progress.
Do you think you might have a better chance if perhaps you are represented by an organisation that has the ear of the company, so to speak?
Would the majority of Regional Pilots be interested? Because it would have to be a majority to progress.
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I'm with:
The three mentioned are the original 3, Eastern Sunstate and Southern but it could become 4, IF the rat buy impulse! That would make things interesting dont you think.
Dingo084:
You are right what finally happens will depend on QF and there will be changes and probably quite a few but you'll beloved Ashley, in my opinion will not be in charge. I hear he is still looking after Sunstate until a replacement can be found. If anyone is to (look after) control the regional it will be Coote QF's golden hair boy.
Hugh: I think you will find that "triadic" doesn't have a clue. His time frame is way off the beam to start with. I wonder who is being selfish after the events in Tassie just recently.
Triadic: What made you jump in feet first, was it the mention of the only pilot origination worth being in?
That you obviously hate so much.
I will take that bet on long-term freezers, as you seem to indicate. One to three year's only if any!
The company wont to start an aircraft in Cains and fly it all the way to Melbourne through all three regional companies. Over a period of day and not just one aircraft or type. The only way they are going to get that is negotiating.
I can assure you that Cote leaving Eastern and going to Impulse was not a voluntary on his part. Impulse needed to be managed better and Coote was the man.
Eastern is not being brought into line; it is the other way around.
Jake the muss:
in a word, noway.
The three mentioned are the original 3, Eastern Sunstate and Southern but it could become 4, IF the rat buy impulse! That would make things interesting dont you think.
Dingo084:
You are right what finally happens will depend on QF and there will be changes and probably quite a few but you'll beloved Ashley, in my opinion will not be in charge. I hear he is still looking after Sunstate until a replacement can be found. If anyone is to (look after) control the regional it will be Coote QF's golden hair boy.
Hugh: I think you will find that "triadic" doesn't have a clue. His time frame is way off the beam to start with. I wonder who is being selfish after the events in Tassie just recently.
Triadic: What made you jump in feet first, was it the mention of the only pilot origination worth being in?
That you obviously hate so much.
I will take that bet on long-term freezers, as you seem to indicate. One to three year's only if any!
The company wont to start an aircraft in Cains and fly it all the way to Melbourne through all three regional companies. Over a period of day and not just one aircraft or type. The only way they are going to get that is negotiating.
I can assure you that Cote leaving Eastern and going to Impulse was not a voluntary on his part. Impulse needed to be managed better and Coote was the man.
Eastern is not being brought into line; it is the other way around.
Jake the muss:
in a word, noway.
Spinout - the bringing into line is far broader than just pilot SOPs which I understand have been a joint effort of all 3 airlines for some time. Cabin crew, admin and yield management are still vastly different. As for the making of money, it would be a different story without the SYD-CBR run and the results of all 3 are now not what they used to be. How do you know who is making money anyway?
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Shaft,
How do you feel your career has progressed/improved under the AFAP?
Has the AFAP got any bargaining power or do they just roll over and ratify 737 Virgin Rates to get members in the door. Fellow Pilots, Don't blame the Virgin Pilots for the Pay Rate, Blame the AFAP, they agreed to it.
It's time for all Pilots to come under the one umbrella for the sake of the Profession. Time to chose the Umbrella!
Young Regional Pilots, weigh up your futures as you have the most to gain/lose. It's your future, force the change!
How do you feel your career has progressed/improved under the AFAP?
Has the AFAP got any bargaining power or do they just roll over and ratify 737 Virgin Rates to get members in the door. Fellow Pilots, Don't blame the Virgin Pilots for the Pay Rate, Blame the AFAP, they agreed to it.
It's time for all Pilots to come under the one umbrella for the sake of the Profession. Time to chose the Umbrella!
Young Regional Pilots, weigh up your futures as you have the most to gain/lose. It's your future, force the change!
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I seem to remember the other organisation you refer to supporting qantas in court to stop the regionals getting any form of intergration other than; you have the right to apply and we have the right to reject!
until that organisation can come up with a better offer i dont see the need to change..
who are you refering to when you talk about the AFAP (a federation of air pilots) are you refering to all the members or are you refering to the paid employees who work for the members...just who are the "they and the them" the bad guys i would like to know
until that organisation can come up with a better offer i dont see the need to change..
who are you refering to when you talk about the AFAP (a federation of air pilots) are you refering to all the members or are you refering to the paid employees who work for the members...just who are the "they and the them" the bad guys i would like to know