AN/QF Collusion ????
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AN/QF Collusion ????
I'm extremely surprised that no one has jumped on the wagon about this (unless of course I have missed it).
Saw the tail end of a story on the 9 Today show Friday morning.....Seems that QF & AN no longer offer the "Under 3 Free On Your Knee".....The upshot of what I saw, and I must admit I only saw the tail end, was that QF decided to end this Service ??, and within 10 minutes, AN had jumped on the wagon with the same deal.
Now the normally press conscious QF & AN have both declined to be interviewed although both denied any collusion and I did hear something about VB not stepping up to the mark to deny that they will undertake the same.
Anyone care to comment and/or elaborate ???
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[ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: nasa ]
[ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: nasa ]
Saw the tail end of a story on the 9 Today show Friday morning.....Seems that QF & AN no longer offer the "Under 3 Free On Your Knee".....The upshot of what I saw, and I must admit I only saw the tail end, was that QF decided to end this Service ??, and within 10 minutes, AN had jumped on the wagon with the same deal.
Now the normally press conscious QF & AN have both declined to be interviewed although both denied any collusion and I did hear something about VB not stepping up to the mark to deny that they will undertake the same.
Anyone care to comment and/or elaborate ???
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[ 25 August 2001: Message edited by: nasa ]
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Nothing new in the zoo nasa - when I worked for TAA Res in Melbourne, we would grab a quick steak sambo and a few beers at Macs - in between TN and AN. When our pricing guys were there at lunchtime with the AN pricing guys having a few beers and a feed together the word immediately went out that a fare hike was imminent. Nothing has changed. It never failed to happen.
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nasa, check out the Reg's on ascertaining the weight of an aircraft does not exceed published limits. Particularly the use of 'standard' passenger weights.
For that matter the press and 'the other interested party' could do well to do so as well.
Being Saturday, I'm not about to look up the Act and the CAR's, that's a workday job! Besides I don't feel inclined to do their job for them.
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PS there's no collusion in this just compliance with national aviation regulations.
For that matter the press and 'the other interested party' could do well to do so as well.
Being Saturday, I'm not about to look up the Act and the CAR's, that's a workday job! Besides I don't feel inclined to do their job for them.
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PS there's no collusion in this just compliance with national aviation regulations.
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Dunno about QF but AN advised employees about 6 weeks or so ago that the ages were changing as of a date I can't remember in August which was a couple of weeks ago, to put AN in line with international and Star Alliance standards. The media have only just caught on to it a couple of weeks after the fact.
AN have also reinstated the Seniors fare but with more restrictions and tougher id requirements.
AN have also reinstated the Seniors fare but with more restrictions and tougher id requirements.
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Typical knee-jerk media-driven reaction to a normal commercial decision.
If 2 of the 3 national carriers decide to move in-line with International stndards it is hardly a matter for the ACCC.
Fels, have a look at the rights and wrongs of the Privatisation of sydney Airport.
If that isn't a government-created and protected monopoly, what is???
Elk Please notice than in deleting the inappropriate adjective you directed at Mr, sorry Prof Fels, I have managed to control my desire to send a few your way.
Please desist, otherwise I'll have to have a quiet word with your surrogate Dad, the Don Quixote of PPRuNe, and suggest where he should rutt the horns.
W
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If 2 of the 3 national carriers decide to move in-line with International stndards it is hardly a matter for the ACCC.
Fels, have a look at the rights and wrongs of the Privatisation of sydney Airport.
If that isn't a government-created and protected monopoly, what is???
Elk Please notice than in deleting the inappropriate adjective you directed at Mr, sorry Prof Fels, I have managed to control my desire to send a few your way.
Please desist, otherwise I'll have to have a quiet word with your surrogate Dad, the Don Quixote of PPRuNe, and suggest where he should rutt the horns.
W
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Perhaps those bemoaning this change should think about this.
What would happen with a chunky 3 year old flying through the cabin during a RTO !!
Funny how the media never mentioned it MAY be a SAFETY issue.
What would happen with a chunky 3 year old flying through the cabin during a RTO !!
Funny how the media never mentioned it MAY be a SAFETY issue.
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I think it is a great idea to introduce fares onto those noisey, usually smelly things we all seem to have and detest any body else having, partic, on an aeroplane. If you have ever endured a sydney to perth flight with a small child next to you, you usually end up holding the baby at some stage, so whats wrong with the kids having their own seat, I for one did NOT pay for mine to share it with anothers child. This might sound harsh, but you watch the faces of passengers when a parent carries a small child on board any flight,and the relief on the same faces when the parent walks past their seat...as for the collusion between AN and QF, has any body tried to get a reduced price ticket lately, even the conditions are almost word for word.
Anyway, it is not the subject of this thread, but the looming demise of AN should put a stop to this.
Anyway, it is not the subject of this thread, but the looming demise of AN should put a stop to this.
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pedalezy,
took my 2yo DRW to BNE "on the lap" and with some serious bribery, he was very well behaved. also brought many a smile from the punters who all seemed tired of looking at the back of the seats in front of them.
we went to the cockpit and he was more interested in a gas bottle looking thing behind the pilots seat than anything else in there.
BTW i'd gladly put him on his own seat if you forward the funds to me. or perhaps you'd prefer to put him on the road for 3 or 4 days so it doesn't spoil your trip. i'm sure you'll keep to your word when you have one.
took my 2yo DRW to BNE "on the lap" and with some serious bribery, he was very well behaved. also brought many a smile from the punters who all seemed tired of looking at the back of the seats in front of them.
we went to the cockpit and he was more interested in a gas bottle looking thing behind the pilots seat than anything else in there.
BTW i'd gladly put him on his own seat if you forward the funds to me. or perhaps you'd prefer to put him on the road for 3 or 4 days so it doesn't spoil your trip. i'm sure you'll keep to your word when you have one.
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There is a compliance aspect to the decision, related to a CASA review of standard weights, and it has been the case with QF and AN international for some time; one could wonder about the previous regime where an international 3YO weighed more than a domestic.
Pity AN didn't push this line at the time, but they are rather busy with other matters. Also a pity that one can't easily arrange for one or another standard weight to fall on Fels (and be quite sure about using His title - the man has some bogus claims in the public domain!)
Cheers
Pity AN didn't push this line at the time, but they are rather busy with other matters. Also a pity that one can't easily arrange for one or another standard weight to fall on Fels (and be quite sure about using His title - the man has some bogus claims in the public domain!)
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32 bits is quite right as this is indeed a compliance issue, the airlines quoted are attempting to cash in on this, by introducing the extension of the childs fare to include two year olds. It will be interesting to see if VB follow suit or continue to place families with toddlers near spare seats on their flights, (which was sort of a practice when I flew with my little darlings with both QF and AN). Yes I do have kids of my own, my earlier post was indeed only an attempt by me in a little black humour. Sorry huntsman and go girl, I did not think people on this site would have been so thinned skinned 
Doesn't international only apply outside Australia? Or have I missed something. Australia has so many differences for Domestic Ops already. Surely something where the public are ahead in one area is OK. Seems the costcutting pressure may be biting and looking for ways to get extra $ wherever possible.
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So now parents are paying for the seat for the littlies,will the airlines now provide suitable child seats/restraints to protect them.A lap sash is not suitable or legal in a car for children 3 and under so it surely must be unsafe in an aircraft.
