are we alive in nz?
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Clearfile,
Things are ticking along nicely here in NZ.
Loadings are good to LA/Tasman/Pacific.
No need to bitch, dosen't seem to be the competition there once was. Could change, but doubt it will in a hurry? Plenty to scrap about across the Tasman with Ansett II/VB/Qantas. Lets just sit back and enjoy!
Things are ticking along nicely here in NZ.
Loadings are good to LA/Tasman/Pacific.
No need to bitch, dosen't seem to be the competition there once was. Could change, but doubt it will in a hurry? Plenty to scrap about across the Tasman with Ansett II/VB/Qantas. Lets just sit back and enjoy!
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Aviation/Pilots here have taken knocks, as is the world wide trend - QF is luckily, in the short term at least, largley unaffected/insulated - and good on them - NZ aviation is doing well and people are positive, in our quiet "just get on with the job" way - it is not fantastic, and there are uncertainties which continue to have an influence, but most people I deal with (GA/Regional/Airline/Flying) Schools/Regulatory are optimistic. Forward bookings and inbound tourism are down, BUT not as much as forecast, and the near Pacific destination are showing an upsurge, with people staying closer to home/away from the US for holidays. The capacity on domestic services will need to be rationalised sometime soon, especially if Virgin does get into the market, but yes, there is life in NZ - understated, polite, for the most part, and tolerant of others and their views - thanks for asking after us anyway.
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ETOPS,you're so far wide of the mark it's not funny. Over 30% of the QFNZ pilots are still not flying. We have Australians, Fijians and Samoans operating domestically in NZ for QF whilst their governments' protect jobs in their own patch (not a bad thing, if only it would happen here). Air NZ is a basket case with $1 billion of our tax paid money propping it up, with more to come yet (wait for the redundancies).
Sitting back and enjoying it is for the naive, stupid or both.
Sitting back and enjoying it is for the naive, stupid or both.
Why arent they flying?
It would be great if after falling off the back of the truck(or being PUSHED),you could get straight back on. But more often than not you have to run a little ways to catch up to it again?
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Great fun this flying game.
Beats putting in fencelines anyday.
Airways are certainly alot quieter.
AKL TWR still make you wait for the one crossing oscar tango but. Whats with that?
"shooting the gap" in NZ means one taking the inside lane on the motorway.
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It would be great if after falling off the back of the truck(or being PUSHED),you could get straight back on. But more often than not you have to run a little ways to catch up to it again?
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Great fun this flying game.
Beats putting in fencelines anyday.
Airways are certainly alot quieter.
AKL TWR still make you wait for the one crossing oscar tango but. Whats with that?
"shooting the gap" in NZ means one taking the inside lane on the motorway.[ 12 December 2001: Message edited by: angels eight ]
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Being one of the QNZ guys in exile in warmer seas. I log on in in hopes of finding out some good news....hmmmmm...hasn't been to fruitful yet. Hope there is some by the time we come home.
Come on Qantas, give us fulla's another bash, failing that will someone give us a bash at anything?
Come on Qantas, give us fulla's another bash, failing that will someone give us a bash at anything?
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I dont want to disappoint you but I doubt whether there will be any redundancies at Operations level, there will be plenty in head office I'm sure. Air NZ seems to be doing OK, some international sectors load factor 90-100%. Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder.
I dont want to disappoint you but I doubt whether there will be any redundancies at Operations level, there will be plenty in head office I'm sure. Air NZ seems to be doing OK, some international sectors load factor 90-100%. Sounds like you've got a chip on your shoulder.
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The pickings look a little lean everywhere and NZ is no exception. Skol and ETOPS suffer from the old "the working class can Kiss my ass as I have a job with the national carrier at last" mentality paralel Swissair's relationship with Crossair to Air NZ's to Freedom air and apply a little history and 99er is probably closer to the truth.
Moderate, Modest & Mild.
Is it correct that a large number of Ansett B737 pilots are working over there (through AWAS)? I know of one Kiwi resident who is current on the 73, and applied to AWAS when the vacancies were advertised, however he was told that all slots were filled by Ansett pilots.
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It sounds like you could be a little guilty of suffering the tall poppy syndrome my friend. You shouldn’t be so negative. Thanks for the history lesson, but then ask yourself, what has happened to Freedom Ops? Interesting enough you will find it is now under Air NZ’s wing.
PS Comparing Crossair with Freedom............that’s a crack!
It sounds like you could be a little guilty of suffering the tall poppy syndrome my friend. You shouldn’t be so negative. Thanks for the history lesson, but then ask yourself, what has happened to Freedom Ops? Interesting enough you will find it is now under Air NZ’s wing.
PS Comparing Crossair with Freedom............that’s a crack!
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Yawwwwn! Stretch! Scratch! Sniff! (Checks equipment is dressed left)
Alive in NZ? Just. Pity this industry sucks SO much!
No jobs anywhere and a stack of ex QFNZ pilots unemployed while QF wet lease all & sundry to fly domestic in NZ.
Nice one.
Alive in NZ? Just. Pity this industry sucks SO much!
No jobs anywhere and a stack of ex QFNZ pilots unemployed while QF wet lease all & sundry to fly domestic in NZ.
Nice one.
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Sounds like you've got a similar problem to 99er. Reminds me of the hysteria that occurred in Oz after the Ansett debacle. It was everybody elses problem except the Aussies, despite the fact that Aussie companies with the most appalling corporate governance were going down one after the other. HIH, OneTel, Harris Scarfe, etc. etc. etc. If you care to read the papers you will find NZ is doing pretty damned well at the moment compared to most other countries.
Sounds like you've got a similar problem to 99er. Reminds me of the hysteria that occurred in Oz after the Ansett debacle. It was everybody elses problem except the Aussies, despite the fact that Aussie companies with the most appalling corporate governance were going down one after the other. HIH, OneTel, Harris Scarfe, etc. etc. etc. If you care to read the papers you will find NZ is doing pretty damned well at the moment compared to most other countries.
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Etops after reading through all your drivel about tall poppeys and having a crack It is clear that you don't understand what is happening here. Freedom Air and Crossair are airlines of good reputation in their own right doing a similar job to that of Air NZ regional and Swissair just like Australia Airlines will be for Qantas at a much cheaper price. In the shipping industry they call it reflagging. It is sometimes not a bad thing as it can allow operators to expand or in some cases just simply survive. It provides employment opportunities and therefore growth in our industry and sometimes as a result a few tall poppeys get chopped off. My comments were not to slag any of the airlines but to just point out to you that there are some of us, unlike yourself, that don't spend our lives wearing blinkers. If Air NZ was doing so well then why did they need a second cash injection? Be careful that you are not the tall poppey that you acuse me of being and find yourself facing difficultys because you have become too expensive by believing in your own propoganda.
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Yeh, I probably do have a chip on my shoulder; both actually, but at least that way I'm balanced. I'm not poking the borax, and don't wish ill will on my fellow (former) colleagues in the flying game, but all is not rosy. I consider that it would be naive to think that jobs are safe at Air NZ. They don't seem to be for those at the bottom of the seniority list. The govt two weeks ago admitted that more tax payers money will probably have to be poured into Air NZ to keep it solvent. Doesn't sound like a healthy business to me.
For all our sakes, I hope it doesn't come to redundancy.
For all our sakes, I hope it doesn't come to redundancy.
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WELLINGTON (Dow Jones)--Qantas Airways Chief Executive Geoff Dixon will meet New Zealand Finance Minister Michael Cullen in Wellington Wednesday as speculation mounts the government wants Qantas to take a stake in Air New Zealand.
A spokeswoman for Cullen said Friday that the meeting was requested by Qantas but the Australia carrier didn't say what it wanted to discuss.
Cullen doesn't intend to raise the issue of Qantas taking a cornerstone shareholding in Air New Zealand, she said, adding that the government's position on being a long-term majority shareholder in the national carrier is unchanged.
The government will have an 82% stake in Air New Zealand if shareholders approve the taxpayer funded NZ$885 million bailout of the airline later this month.
A spokeswoman for Cullen said Friday that the meeting was requested by Qantas but the Australia carrier didn't say what it wanted to discuss.
Cullen doesn't intend to raise the issue of Qantas taking a cornerstone shareholding in Air New Zealand, she said, adding that the government's position on being a long-term majority shareholder in the national carrier is unchanged.
The government will have an 82% stake in Air New Zealand if shareholders approve the taxpayer funded NZ$885 million bailout of the airline later this month.
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Slaps face. Yep, Im alive. And so is the flight training scene here. One of the benefits of a low-value dollar is the attracion of overseas students to our wonderful shores. Fly on kiwis! 
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Here we have another one of ETOPS 'I can't think of a smart enough reply so I will just poke borax at him and hope he goes away because he dared disagree with me". I'm surprised I havn't got a chip on my shoulder like poor old 99er has just because his views are different. "Das Boot" would have given you some minor resemblence of credibility when attempting to have a crack (your own words) at someone in another language.
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