"Woman" Pilots Association. What's the point???
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I did a talk to year 5 & 6 at Jarsephine's school the other day about Sydney Airport/flying/becoming a pilot.
When I asked "Who's interested in becoming a pilot", guess who put their hands up?....
All girls
When I asked "Who's interested in becoming a pilot", guess who put their hands up?....
All girls
re Bankstown.
I think the prime reason for not going there was associated with being close to suitable conference facilities. There are heaps of better places to have a fly in and conference.
I think the prime reason for not going there was associated with being close to suitable conference facilities. There are heaps of better places to have a fly in and conference.
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Yeah yeah, peace, love and moonbeams!
This has to be the most PC thread in ages. Come on men can we stop bagging ourselves now? this is starting to sound a bit "soft"
Now if you'll excuse me...I have a tree to hug!
This has to be the most PC thread in ages. Come on men can we stop bagging ourselves now? this is starting to sound a bit "soft"
Now if you'll excuse me...I have a tree to hug!
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I can see the historical reasons for needing a separate WPA. I can also appreciate that it provides a fun & relaxed environment in which to promote flying. However I think it promotes unnecessary segregation. An institution which excludes someone because of their sex is surely sexist. I would equally oppose any male-only flying institutions - if I knew of any.
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Cogwheel,
my information regarding Bankstown came from a sitting commitee member at the time, who promptly resigned her position. There are fantastic conference centres within 10 min drive of YSBK.
I believe this thread said, 'what's the point???'. Good question. They achieve nothing.
Hugh Jarse,
so what if all girls at this school wanted to be pilots, no-ones stopping them. I think the topic of advantages of being female for career opportunities in aviation has already been beaten to death. Just stick to the original question.....'what's the point???'
my information regarding Bankstown came from a sitting commitee member at the time, who promptly resigned her position. There are fantastic conference centres within 10 min drive of YSBK.
I believe this thread said, 'what's the point???'. Good question. They achieve nothing.
Hugh Jarse,
so what if all girls at this school wanted to be pilots, no-ones stopping them. I think the topic of advantages of being female for career opportunities in aviation has already been beaten to death. Just stick to the original question.....'what's the point???'
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Actually Messiah - what's YOUR point? Aside from being negative for the sake of being negative that is.
There are many people who don't feel comfortable flying into one of the busiest GA airports in the world, and telling the AWPA it is somehow their responsibility to make sure that all their members can cope with it is laughable.
And anyway, what's your solution for making sure that all the GUYS out there know how to cope with it (you can't tell me that you seriously think that guys don't also feel apprehensive about flying there - if you do then I'm sorry to tell you that you happen to be wrong). And getting a PPL does not instantly gives everyone the EXPERIENCE they need to cope with everything. It is always the people who think that the PPL gives them instant infallibility who always get into trouble.
The point of this thread is that the AWPA are a great bunch of supporting people who get together and have a great time. They positively promote flying, and offer scholarships to people (male and female) to further their career. And if you don't like it and don't want to join in Messiah - then don't.
With apologies to everyone else for the tirade - I've been holding back for a while!
PS - Bankstown is my "home" airport and I don't have a problem flying there - in fact I think it's fun. But I can also appreciate other people's point of view.
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There are many people who don't feel comfortable flying into one of the busiest GA airports in the world, and telling the AWPA it is somehow their responsibility to make sure that all their members can cope with it is laughable.
And anyway, what's your solution for making sure that all the GUYS out there know how to cope with it (you can't tell me that you seriously think that guys don't also feel apprehensive about flying there - if you do then I'm sorry to tell you that you happen to be wrong). And getting a PPL does not instantly gives everyone the EXPERIENCE they need to cope with everything. It is always the people who think that the PPL gives them instant infallibility who always get into trouble.
The point of this thread is that the AWPA are a great bunch of supporting people who get together and have a great time. They positively promote flying, and offer scholarships to people (male and female) to further their career. And if you don't like it and don't want to join in Messiah - then don't.
With apologies to everyone else for the tirade - I've been holding back for a while!
PS - Bankstown is my "home" airport and I don't have a problem flying there - in fact I think it's fun. But I can also appreciate other people's point of view.
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Foyl,
My point is the AWPA, like many other associations, AAFI and GAPAN etc etc, seem to exist more so that their members can have the badge and attend useless meetings than addressing any real issues. Very little actual flying is ever done, and if it is, it rarely aims at improving the standards of aviating amongst its members.
It is a complete waste of time!
Surely the AWPA have a duty of care to their members, to address any fears they may have in their flying.
I'm not saying there are'nt plenty of other pilots, males included, who are'nt afraid of Bankstown, but that this situation is totally unacceptable and needs addressing on a regular basis.
Incompetence in an aircraft is a danger to everyone else, not just the pilot.
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My point is the AWPA, like many other associations, AAFI and GAPAN etc etc, seem to exist more so that their members can have the badge and attend useless meetings than addressing any real issues. Very little actual flying is ever done, and if it is, it rarely aims at improving the standards of aviating amongst its members.
It is a complete waste of time!
Surely the AWPA have a duty of care to their members, to address any fears they may have in their flying.
I'm not saying there are'nt plenty of other pilots, males included, who are'nt afraid of Bankstown, but that this situation is totally unacceptable and needs addressing on a regular basis.
Incompetence in an aircraft is a danger to everyone else, not just the pilot.
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Sorry Messiah, I don't think you really have understood what the AWPA is about. And there is no absolutely no duty of care between the AWPA and it's members in the terms that you have described.
As stated by many other posters on this thread, the AWPA get together, provide support (including financial via the promotion of scholarships - some of which are open to both men and women), exchange ideas and have a good time.
If you believe that this is a waste of time (and I happen not to agree with you, and the many people who are members of the AWPA also seem not to agree with you - after all, you get what you pay for), then you're entitled to your opinion, and you can seek a club which does fulfil your expectations. But asking the rest of us "what's the point?" then refusing to accept that we think that IS the point doesn't help you or anyone else here who finds your posts, in the circumstances, unnecessarily antagonistic.
I agree that it is a matter of concern that people are apprehensive about flying at Bankstown - but standards and training issues are, as stated above, outside the AWPA's scope. However it is possible to get together with other AWPA members, talk about the problem, assure whoever it is that it is a valid concern, and discuss how it can be overcome. Sometimes all a person needs is the assurance that they can do something about it to actually do something about it.
If your problem is not so much with the AWPA as the ability of pilots to cope with a situation that they are unfamiliar with, I think that you should start another thread because it's a general comment about the profession. Your airing it here implies that it's a shot at women pilots instead of your perception that ALL clubs, catering to any gender or specific flying interest should be concerned about rectifying these problems.
[ 07 December 2001: Message edited by: Foyl ]
As stated by many other posters on this thread, the AWPA get together, provide support (including financial via the promotion of scholarships - some of which are open to both men and women), exchange ideas and have a good time.
If you believe that this is a waste of time (and I happen not to agree with you, and the many people who are members of the AWPA also seem not to agree with you - after all, you get what you pay for), then you're entitled to your opinion, and you can seek a club which does fulfil your expectations. But asking the rest of us "what's the point?" then refusing to accept that we think that IS the point doesn't help you or anyone else here who finds your posts, in the circumstances, unnecessarily antagonistic.
I agree that it is a matter of concern that people are apprehensive about flying at Bankstown - but standards and training issues are, as stated above, outside the AWPA's scope. However it is possible to get together with other AWPA members, talk about the problem, assure whoever it is that it is a valid concern, and discuss how it can be overcome. Sometimes all a person needs is the assurance that they can do something about it to actually do something about it.
If your problem is not so much with the AWPA as the ability of pilots to cope with a situation that they are unfamiliar with, I think that you should start another thread because it's a general comment about the profession. Your airing it here implies that it's a shot at women pilots instead of your perception that ALL clubs, catering to any gender or specific flying interest should be concerned about rectifying these problems.
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Hang on - just thought of something...
Messiah, if you think that getting together in a like minded environment to discuss aviation in general is a waste of time -
then what the heck are you doing on PPRuNe!!! 
Messiah, if you think that getting together in a like minded environment to discuss aviation in general is a waste of time -
then what the heck are you doing on PPRuNe!!!
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Actually, I thought that there was a particular female flying instructor based at MB who organised regular flying activities and tried very hard to help improve members skills by offering some training at reduced rates? AWPA is always trying to get aviation onto the public adgenda by way of their scholarships. Pity that membership is restricted to those wih a student pilot licence. I actively encourage young female pilots to join the association. It is very difficult to provide female role models for young girls and AWPA can usually help to plug the gap.
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Lighten up, Messiah. That was merely an observation I made. I was trying to be lighthearted about it.
They were a bunch of 10 and 11 year old kids. Perhaps you were there among the boys that didn't put their hands up......
They were a bunch of 10 and 11 year old kids. Perhaps you were there among the boys that didn't put their hands up......
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No I was one of the boys who put his hand up when they said.....'who wants to be a firetruck?'
Can anyone confirm that Australia is the only country with a womens pilots association?
Can anyone confirm that Australia is the only country with a womens pilots association?
Messiah,
I have just noticed something in your blinkered comments .
Perhaps not indeed.
One may hold a PPL without holding the certification to fly in a GAAP (or CTR for that matter). There are many pilots out there of both genders who do not have this rating/certification whatever you want to call it as they trained out bush and never foresaw the requirement for it, or elected to do it later with the $$.
Maybe you are ignoring the ability to construct reasoned argument. Sadly for you this is a forum on which they will not go away.
I have just noticed something in your blinkered comments .
A PPL is a licence to fly anywhere is'nt it???? Perhaps not.
One may hold a PPL without holding the certification to fly in a GAAP (or CTR for that matter). There are many pilots out there of both genders who do not have this rating/certification whatever you want to call it as they trained out bush and never foresaw the requirement for it, or elected to do it later with the $$.
Maybe you are ignoring the ability to construct reasoned argument. Sadly for you this is a forum on which they will not go away.
Glad to see you did your research for that post Stallie!