Do Air NZ Have ANY Principles At All?
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Do Air NZ Have ANY Principles At All?
After what Air NZ have done, THEY are infering that Qantas and Virgin are ripping people off? They say that people that had booked and paid for flights with Ansett were having to pay again to fly with Qantas or Virgin, IF they had not already started their trip, IF they were returning Qantas and Virgin were bringing them home sub load for free, in either case Air NZ have pocketed the money? Also Air NZ are charging Ansett International passengers to fly with them, even though they have paid Ansett (Air NZ) already??????
NATIONAL NEWS
MONDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 2001
N A T I O N A L N E W S S T O R Y
Ansett travellers face ticket sting
17 September 2001
People with flights booked on Ansett Australia look set to be out of pocket despite a rescue deal being negotiated which could soon see Ansett planes back in the air.
Ansett was closed down on Friday as the company's losses hit more than $1.5 million a day. Rivals Qantas and Virgin are stepping into the breach, but people with travel booked on Ansett flights in the next few weeks may still lose financially.
The only tickets being reimbursed are those where the traveller is in the middle of a journey. For example, if a traveller has already flown from Adelaide to Sydney, the return trip home will be reimbursed.
If you've paid for your dream Aussie holiday but have yet to leave home, you'll need to dig deeper into the pocket to keep your vacation on track.
Air New Zealand is advising people if they have an Ansett ticket they will need to re-book on either Qantas or Virgin, with seats subject to availability. However, Qantas and Virgin are requiring that passengers pay for the trip again, at a discounted rate.
Despite owning Ansett, Air New Zealand is also requiring extra payment to accommodate passengers with bookings on Ansett Australia's international flights.
Asked about Air New Zealand's obligations to out-of pocket travellers, a spokeswoman said the company was not commenting on matters relating to Ansett, and anything to do with Ansett flights was a matter for company administrators. Ansett's administrators say Qantas has agreed to fly stranded passengers home free.
And if there isn't a Qantas flight on the route, the Australian Government has agreed to reimburse alternative flight, train or bus costs.
Passengers might also not be able to claim travel insurance as insurers stopped covering Ansett last Monday.
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Seems like everyone is doing the right thing EXCEPT Air NZ??????
NATIONAL NEWS
MONDAY, 17 SEPTEMBER 2001
N A T I O N A L N E W S S T O R Y
Ansett travellers face ticket sting
17 September 2001
People with flights booked on Ansett Australia look set to be out of pocket despite a rescue deal being negotiated which could soon see Ansett planes back in the air.
Ansett was closed down on Friday as the company's losses hit more than $1.5 million a day. Rivals Qantas and Virgin are stepping into the breach, but people with travel booked on Ansett flights in the next few weeks may still lose financially.
The only tickets being reimbursed are those where the traveller is in the middle of a journey. For example, if a traveller has already flown from Adelaide to Sydney, the return trip home will be reimbursed.
If you've paid for your dream Aussie holiday but have yet to leave home, you'll need to dig deeper into the pocket to keep your vacation on track.
Air New Zealand is advising people if they have an Ansett ticket they will need to re-book on either Qantas or Virgin, with seats subject to availability. However, Qantas and Virgin are requiring that passengers pay for the trip again, at a discounted rate.
Despite owning Ansett, Air New Zealand is also requiring extra payment to accommodate passengers with bookings on Ansett Australia's international flights.
Asked about Air New Zealand's obligations to out-of pocket travellers, a spokeswoman said the company was not commenting on matters relating to Ansett, and anything to do with Ansett flights was a matter for company administrators. Ansett's administrators say Qantas has agreed to fly stranded passengers home free.
And if there isn't a Qantas flight on the route, the Australian Government has agreed to reimburse alternative flight, train or bus costs.
Passengers might also not be able to claim travel insurance as insurers stopped covering Ansett last Monday.
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Seems like everyone is doing the right thing EXCEPT Air NZ??????
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Ansett has been deducting health insurance from its employees who joined the company policy. This deduction is shown on the individuals pay slip.
But for the last 6 weeks, Ansett has not paid the health fund.
This has come to light yesterday when an An staff emeber went to the local Private Hospital to have a baby and the Hospital informed her she did not have any insurance.
But for the last 6 weeks, Ansett has not paid the health fund.
This has come to light yesterday when an An staff emeber went to the local Private Hospital to have a baby and the Hospital informed her she did not have any insurance.
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I'm sure AN staff will not forget that as 25% owners of AIR NZ, that Singapore Airlines would not doubt be eager to throw in their 125 million worth of former employee entitlements. OR are they just waiting to pick over the carcas without any intention of being responsible to AN employees.
Thats not screwing the pooch, it's just the "Asian way" of doing business.
"Do unto others before they do unto you."
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: Back Seat Driver ]
Thats not screwing the pooch, it's just the "Asian way" of doing business.
"Do unto others before they do unto you."
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: Back Seat Driver ]
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The Question
DO air nz HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES AT ALL.
The answer
NO what else do you expect from KIWIS. No sense, no brains ans no principles and soon no airline. And as to saying if our KIWI bashing forces air nz to the wall there will be no chance of AN staff getting their entitlements, do you really think they have any intention of giving us one red cent.
The sooner air nz goes to the wall the better.
[ 17 September 2001: Message edited by: Pole Vaulter ]
DO air nz HAVE ANY PRINCIPLES AT ALL.
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NO what else do you expect from KIWIS. No sense, no brains ans no principles and soon no airline. And as to saying if our KIWI bashing forces air nz to the wall there will be no chance of AN staff getting their entitlements, do you really think they have any intention of giving us one red cent.
The sooner air nz goes to the wall the better.
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Am I missing something here???? Didn't Qantas walk away from saving the NZ operation and leave a sh*tload of people jobless? Bumped into a AN loader at Brisbane who was pulling 85 a year, he's looking for work at Virgin Blue who pay under 30 for longer hours. Tell me how AN company was ever going to make money in the current climate.
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Flat Side Up,
Totally agree. Check ever item at the supermarket and if it has made in or product of NZ on it put it back on the shelf.
Good to see on the evening news even the Premier of QLD agrees anyone who flies on air nz until they pay out all their entitlements to AN staff needs their head examined. Even little Johnnie assured he will press air nz until everything is paid. As for Mr Toomey, I hope you like the living in that little third world country as you sure don't want to show your face back here.
Totally agree. Check ever item at the supermarket and if it has made in or product of NZ on it put it back on the shelf.
Good to see on the evening news even the Premier of QLD agrees anyone who flies on air nz until they pay out all their entitlements to AN staff needs their head examined. Even little Johnnie assured he will press air nz until everything is paid. As for Mr Toomey, I hope you like the living in that little third world country as you sure don't want to show your face back here.
My god some of you Aussies are thick.
THE AIR NEW ZEALAND BOARD AND YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT BY AUSTRALIAN COMPANIES SENT ANSETT BROKE[
Not the New Zealand people. Some of us Kiwis live in Oz and work for Aus Airlines. So if you are going to carry on like that (FSU and Pole Vaulter) - maybe you should check just who you are abusing - maybe the person who signed out your aircraft today.
THE AIR NEW ZEALAND BOARD AND YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT BY AUSTRALIAN COMPANIES SENT ANSETT BROKE[
Not the New Zealand people. Some of us Kiwis live in Oz and work for Aus Airlines. So if you are going to carry on like that (FSU and Pole Vaulter) - maybe you should check just who you are abusing - maybe the person who signed out your aircraft today.
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This is getting just a little out of hand.
I was ONLY refering to the Air NZ Board, NOT Kiwis in general, as I think you all know, because you didn't mention me, however I think enough is enough.
Kiwiconehead, while I respect your pride in your nationality, IF you are a LAME it might be better NOT to say things like that, supposing GOD FORBID something did happen to one of their aircraft now, apart from how you would surely feel, imagine the consequences of you having previously said that..........
Best regards To ALL,
"lame"
I was ONLY refering to the Air NZ Board, NOT Kiwis in general, as I think you all know, because you didn't mention me, however I think enough is enough.
Kiwiconehead, while I respect your pride in your nationality, IF you are a LAME it might be better NOT to say things like that, supposing GOD FORBID something did happen to one of their aircraft now, apart from how you would surely feel, imagine the consequences of you having previously said that..........
Best regards To ALL,
"lame"
LAME - I would never do anything like that.
But these idiots posting above need to take a minute to think (some of them may need to lay down while they do this) about who they are actually abusing here.
The Air New Zealand board has done this.
Not the New Zealand people.
Not the employees of Air New Zealand.
I think that another problem that we are seeing is an archaic union mentality which hasn't existed in many countries for decades.
I was astounded at how much of a stranglehold they have over the aviation industry. Now their first reaction when Ansett workers were stood down was to bring Qantas to a halt as well - how ****ing stupid are these people?
Or are they just trying to even it up by putting the other airlines employees out of work?
But these idiots posting above need to take a minute to think (some of them may need to lay down while they do this) about who they are actually abusing here.
The Air New Zealand board has done this.
Not the New Zealand people.
Not the employees of Air New Zealand.
I think that another problem that we are seeing is an archaic union mentality which hasn't existed in many countries for decades.
I was astounded at how much of a stranglehold they have over the aviation industry. Now their first reaction when Ansett workers were stood down was to bring Qantas to a halt as well - how ****ing stupid are these people?
Or are they just trying to even it up by putting the other airlines employees out of work?
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Well I have always known that you kiwis have been ripping us off for years and this time you have graphically demonstrated it for all to see. And I mean all of you.
AirNZ idiotically, (using your favourite word) and spitefully spoiled the deal between Singapore and Ansett and clamped themselves limpet like onto Ansett and drove it into the ground due to their own incompetence.
Our government had approved the deal between SQ and Ansett unlike your parochial bunch when they were faced with the same question. To suggest that the Australian taxpayer should pick up the bill for the incompetence of a private NZ company is the height of impertinence. AirNZ put themselves in the hole so they can dig themselves out.
Xenophobia,idiocy et al are the standard terms used to stifle debate and will not work. I have been there before. You must be stupid if you think that will work.
Once more LOUD AND CLEAR we are ABSOLUTELY FED UP with your bludging ways which we have endured for decades. You have grossly imposed on our good natures for too long.
NO MORE!!
AirNZ idiotically, (using your favourite word) and spitefully spoiled the deal between Singapore and Ansett and clamped themselves limpet like onto Ansett and drove it into the ground due to their own incompetence.
Our government had approved the deal between SQ and Ansett unlike your parochial bunch when they were faced with the same question. To suggest that the Australian taxpayer should pick up the bill for the incompetence of a private NZ company is the height of impertinence. AirNZ put themselves in the hole so they can dig themselves out.
Xenophobia,idiocy et al are the standard terms used to stifle debate and will not work. I have been there before. You must be stupid if you think that will work.
Once more LOUD AND CLEAR we are ABSOLUTELY FED UP with your bludging ways which we have endured for decades. You have grossly imposed on our good natures for too long.
NO MORE!!
Safety First!
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Flat Side Up, that is EXACTLY what I have been talking about all night. Your post is narrow minded, your motives are questionable, not constructive, and appear to be fired by the rhetoric of others. You my trans-Tasman friend, are a fool.
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Kiwiconehead, to quote you: “Some of us Kiwis live in Oz and work for Aus Airlines.” Quite a lot of you, actually. I understand that the percentage of Kiwis among the pilot group in AN and TN pre 89 was well into the double figures – I’ve heard even higher than 20%, (which I must admit, I find hard to believe). I know both got quite a few more of them in 89-90, but let’s not stir up that particular viper’s nest here.
But would anyone who over the last thirty years has tried to make the move the other way care to comment on their success? (The heroes who ‘rescued’ AN/NZ in ‘99 excepted – ‘australians’ (sic) like that, Nuu Zulund is welcome to.) When Air NZ (along with NAC) were the only game in town in Nuu Zulund, you had to be a Kiwi to get you foot in through the front door to a flying job with them.
However, just like the Bondi dole office, it was open season for Kiwis to take jobs in any of the Australian airlines – as well as our Air Force in the days when plenty of Australians wanted to join it.
I still don’t understand why we have in place this ridiculous law allowing Kiwis to collect social service benefits in Australia. I know Australians can do the same in Nuu Zulund, but talk about a one way street…. What is it? Foreign aid by stealth? It’s the same as saying ‘Aus airlines can fly domestically in NZ and NZ airlines can fly domestically I Oz.. Utterly crazy given the disparity in size and population!
It smacks of the same cockeyed logic that sees our government (= us, the taxpayers) having enough money to pay 20 million dollars to another basket case island ‘economy’ in the Pacific who’ve squandered the very large fortune they made out of their one export product just to keep 500 illegal immigrants at arm’s length until after the election, (when we all know they’ll be allowed into Australia, whoever wins the election). But that same government doesn’t have the balls to demand the Kiwis honour their debts poste haste, debts that the lawyers will take ten years (and a couple of million dollars in legal fees) to decide what Blind Freddie can see now – that the Kiwis must pay. By which time, many AN staff will have long ago lost their homes and God only knows what else. Certainly their faith in any ‘brotherly, trans Tasman bond’.
It’s going to be an interesting AnzAC day next year. I hope that woman has at leat the brains not to show her face to any Kiwi veterans that day. THEY, now a dying breed it would seem in NZ, are Kiwis we Aussies respect.
But would anyone who over the last thirty years has tried to make the move the other way care to comment on their success? (The heroes who ‘rescued’ AN/NZ in ‘99 excepted – ‘australians’ (sic) like that, Nuu Zulund is welcome to.) When Air NZ (along with NAC) were the only game in town in Nuu Zulund, you had to be a Kiwi to get you foot in through the front door to a flying job with them.
However, just like the Bondi dole office, it was open season for Kiwis to take jobs in any of the Australian airlines – as well as our Air Force in the days when plenty of Australians wanted to join it.
I still don’t understand why we have in place this ridiculous law allowing Kiwis to collect social service benefits in Australia. I know Australians can do the same in Nuu Zulund, but talk about a one way street…. What is it? Foreign aid by stealth? It’s the same as saying ‘Aus airlines can fly domestically in NZ and NZ airlines can fly domestically I Oz.. Utterly crazy given the disparity in size and population!
It smacks of the same cockeyed logic that sees our government (= us, the taxpayers) having enough money to pay 20 million dollars to another basket case island ‘economy’ in the Pacific who’ve squandered the very large fortune they made out of their one export product just to keep 500 illegal immigrants at arm’s length until after the election, (when we all know they’ll be allowed into Australia, whoever wins the election). But that same government doesn’t have the balls to demand the Kiwis honour their debts poste haste, debts that the lawyers will take ten years (and a couple of million dollars in legal fees) to decide what Blind Freddie can see now – that the Kiwis must pay. By which time, many AN staff will have long ago lost their homes and God only knows what else. Certainly their faith in any ‘brotherly, trans Tasman bond’.
It’s going to be an interesting AnzAC day next year. I hope that woman has at leat the brains not to show her face to any Kiwi veterans that day. THEY, now a dying breed it would seem in NZ, are Kiwis we Aussies respect.
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Cmon 99er we all saw how much you squealed on this forum with the demise of AN/QFNZ indicating how frustrated and cheated you felt. Now let these Australians go through the same process as they too have been shafted, only this time by a Kiwi company.
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Kermit 180,
Well we are not bare faced liars and thieves both overt and covert like your bunch.
Spad has picked up on a point I made in another post about the employment opportunities for Aussie pilots in AirNZ versus kiwis in Australian airlines. I asked could anyone say that AT LEAST ONE Aussie pilot was working in AirNZ. Not blinking likely.
I guess you think we are idiots because we have tolerated your outrageous rorts for such a long time and then you spit in our faces. Even worse you have the audacity to insult our intelligence for at last exposing the blatant usury by kiwis of the Australian taxpayers.
As I said we will be sure not to buy any more of your shoddy products and press our politicians to block your abuse of our treasury. Abolish the Closer Economic Relations agreement it is a one way street to our detriment. Enjoy yoursrlves at someone elses expense not ours.
Well we are not bare faced liars and thieves both overt and covert like your bunch.
Spad has picked up on a point I made in another post about the employment opportunities for Aussie pilots in AirNZ versus kiwis in Australian airlines. I asked could anyone say that AT LEAST ONE Aussie pilot was working in AirNZ. Not blinking likely.
I guess you think we are idiots because we have tolerated your outrageous rorts for such a long time and then you spit in our faces. Even worse you have the audacity to insult our intelligence for at last exposing the blatant usury by kiwis of the Australian taxpayers.
As I said we will be sure not to buy any more of your shoddy products and press our politicians to block your abuse of our treasury. Abolish the Closer Economic Relations agreement it is a one way street to our detriment. Enjoy yoursrlves at someone elses expense not ours.