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I have decided that I would like to do the Qantas cadetship as it seems to be the easiest way to get to fly a jet whilst doing minimal piston time. One question that has been troubling me though: The cadetship should take apprx 2 years to complete,but the general rumour is that Qantas will only be hiring for another 12 months, so what will happen to all of the cadets?? will they only hire them from that point on??
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Good question The Hun, it's good to see some intelligence in contrast to your normal rubbish. I too have wondered what will happen to all the cadets if hiring stops? a big back log of inexperienced pilots maybe? anyone else with a insight to qantas' grand plan? tealady care to comment? 
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Fact not fiction. It is very likely that the QF cadet course for 2002 will not go ahead, even though they are currently testing applicants.
This is not BS! Info received via a very reliable industry figure. I assure you.
K A O S
This is not BS! Info received via a very reliable industry figure. I assure you.
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Koizi. I really hope it doesn't happen this way, but unfortunately due to recent world events and it's affect on aviation, this is a real possibility at the moment.
As far as when the cadets will find out? I don't know but I suppose once you have been successful you will be told at the briefing.
This will also affect the flying schools that have poured thousands of dollars into their facilities and aircraft so they can bid for QF cadet contracts.
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: KAOS ]
As far as when the cadets will find out? I don't know but I suppose once you have been successful you will be told at the briefing.
This will also affect the flying schools that have poured thousands of dollars into their facilities and aircraft so they can bid for QF cadet contracts.
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I'm confused
A thread about a month or so ago suggested that Q were planning on using cadets only in future, with the exclusion of DE applicants.
Now you're saying that cadetships are going.
Does that mean more DE recruitment, or are Q shutting down recruitment altogether for a while ?
A thread about a month or so ago suggested that Q were planning on using cadets only in future, with the exclusion of DE applicants.
Now you're saying that cadetships are going.
Does that mean more DE recruitment, or are Q shutting down recruitment altogether for a while ?
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Why would they not go ahead with the cadetship when it is a self-funded scheme?
Even by continuing with the scheme, QF don't stand to lose any money, but they will gain the opportunity to employ the cadets (who have already been trained to QF's standards and have passed the selection stages), dependent on their recruitment requirements in a couple of years time.
Makes sense to me.
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[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: Tuner 2 ]
Even by continuing with the scheme, QF don't stand to lose any money, but they will gain the opportunity to employ the cadets (who have already been trained to QF's standards and have passed the selection stages), dependent on their recruitment requirements in a couple of years time.
Makes sense to me.
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The cadets training may be self funded, but have you thought about the costs of training once they entered the main airline. Why do you think "industry experience" has been addded to the cadet course.
I shall not voice my personal opinions on this matter, you will not see the course run definatley next year but most likely for up to three years.
Also we have a massive over supply of turbine time pilots from Hazo, Kendell, Sky West and Ansett who require alot less training. This amount of pilots could potentially supply recruitment for quite some time and are far more cost effective to employ concerning training.
My advice is get whatever job you can in GA, it's truly is some of the most enjoyable, eye opening flying you'll ever do.
Hey The Hun
why don't you head over to WA, i'm sure daddy could buy you a cadetship with the asian carrier that does their training over there.
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The cadets training may be self funded, but have you thought about the costs of training once they entered the main airline. Why do you think "industry experience" has been addded to the cadet course.
I shall not voice my personal opinions on this matter, you will not see the course run definatley next year but most likely for up to three years.
Also we have a massive over supply of turbine time pilots from Hazo, Kendell, Sky West and Ansett who require alot less training. This amount of pilots could potentially supply recruitment for quite some time and are far more cost effective to employ concerning training.
My advice is get whatever job you can in GA, it's truly is some of the most enjoyable, eye opening flying you'll ever do.
Hey The Hun
why don't you head over to WA, i'm sure daddy could buy you a cadetship with the asian carrier that does their training over there.
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Surmount, I see your point, however, hasn't there always been "a massive over supply of turbine time pilots"? There has never been a shortage of potential direct entry pilots for Qantas to choose from to "supply recruitment for quite some time", and yet they have still run the cadet scheme for many years.
I think the Industry Experience phase has been added to further equip the cadets for an airline career - I don't believe there is somekind of hidden reason for it.
And don't worry, if I miss-out on the 2002 Cadet Programme, I'll be off to do my bit in the 'big bad world'.
BTW, what did you mean by "you will not see the course run definatley next year but most likely for up to three years." ??
I think the Industry Experience phase has been added to further equip the cadets for an airline career - I don't believe there is somekind of hidden reason for it.
And don't worry, if I miss-out on the 2002 Cadet Programme, I'll be off to do my bit in the 'big bad world'.
BTW, what did you mean by "you will not see the course run definatley next year but most likely for up to three years." ??
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By that I meant exactly what I said.
I have been told by someone that I would have no reason to doubt that cadet 2002 is no longer.
and that 2003 & 2004 are in doubt.
My point with the industry experience is that qf management have appeared to realise that you can't place a cadet straight into the heavy metal even if you as the cadet meet the "Qf standards", it is more cost effective for the company and far more beneficial for you also to sit in the right seat of something like a 19 seat aircraft. Where you can get a chance to fly alot more Then after 1-2 years move on. You will have progressed far more in the 12 months or so in the 19 seat aircraft, that what you will have in the back seat of a 747 getting other crew coffee
Edited for my bad spelling
BTW Tuner if you can fold maps make me a hot cup of Java and ammend Jepps your in
haha
BTW I saw that post before you deleted it
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: Surmount ]
By that I meant exactly what I said.
I have been told by someone that I would have no reason to doubt that cadet 2002 is no longer.
and that 2003 & 2004 are in doubt.
My point with the industry experience is that qf management have appeared to realise that you can't place a cadet straight into the heavy metal even if you as the cadet meet the "Qf standards", it is more cost effective for the company and far more beneficial for you also to sit in the right seat of something like a 19 seat aircraft. Where you can get a chance to fly alot more Then after 1-2 years move on. You will have progressed far more in the 12 months or so in the 19 seat aircraft, that what you will have in the back seat of a 747 getting other crew coffee
Edited for my bad spelling
BTW Tuner if you can fold maps make me a hot cup of Java and ammend Jepps your in
haha BTW I saw that post before you deleted it
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Surmount. You're right on the money!
Tutu. I'm just as confused. Welcome to aviation in the 21st century. Nothing is concrete these days. In oz we just follow the world trend.
Tuner 2. You're sort of right. The cadets are self funded but, like you said yourself, they do have to meet QF standards. This equals $$$$$ as QF fork out for people to conduct flight tests on their behalf and check up with the students and contracted school and lets not forget the uniform and all the associated administration costs.
The_hun. What now? Consult with dad first, but I reckon a bit of plastic surgery and a good fake birth certificate and passport will get you a cadetship with the Asian carrier in WA.
How about The_ hunchoo Lee as a good name!
K A O S.
Tutu. I'm just as confused. Welcome to aviation in the 21st century. Nothing is concrete these days. In oz we just follow the world trend.
Tuner 2. You're sort of right. The cadets are self funded but, like you said yourself, they do have to meet QF standards. This equals $$$$$ as QF fork out for people to conduct flight tests on their behalf and check up with the students and contracted school and lets not forget the uniform and all the associated administration costs.
The_hun. What now? Consult with dad first, but I reckon a bit of plastic surgery and a good fake birth certificate and passport will get you a cadetship with the Asian carrier in WA.
How about The_ hunchoo Lee as a good name!
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Surmount,
Obviously got a high score in the VERBAL REASONING section.
I assume, from that feeble attempt at the english language, that you assume the course will definately run next year and most likely continue for the next three years. Just confirm that for us all.
KAOS
QF have to fork out lots of $$$ for the cadets...
The flight test- Candidates pay examiners' fee/aircraft costs. Fair enough QF pay for the testing officer to conduct the test in the relevant city inclusive of travel/accomodation costs.
The uniform- Please, spare me. Hardly going to bust the bank, uniforms for 40+ cadets.
Regarding the costs incurred by QF to train cadets to main line isn't going to cost anymore than GA guys with 2000hrs C210 time. Or even guys with turbine type, unless that time is type specific to a QF mainline fleet. I don't think the reasoning behind the industry experience is purely a financial one, obviously it will have some relivence. Qantas implemented this policy for cadets in 1970, so this is nothing new.
Put things into perspective, the cadets(depending on level) will pay far more than QF's relative costs to complete all 4 stages of selection. Considerlaby more if those cadidates live on the west coast.
But as usual, we have a bunch of ill-informed posts based on pure speculation and gossip. You will have to wait for an official statement from QCC before you believe what you read on here.
you will not see the course run definatley next year but most likely for up to three years.
I assume, from that feeble attempt at the english language, that you assume the course will definately run next year and most likely continue for the next three years. Just confirm that for us all.
KAOS
QF have to fork out lots of $$$ for the cadets...
The flight test- Candidates pay examiners' fee/aircraft costs. Fair enough QF pay for the testing officer to conduct the test in the relevant city inclusive of travel/accomodation costs.
The uniform- Please, spare me. Hardly going to bust the bank, uniforms for 40+ cadets.
Regarding the costs incurred by QF to train cadets to main line isn't going to cost anymore than GA guys with 2000hrs C210 time. Or even guys with turbine type, unless that time is type specific to a QF mainline fleet. I don't think the reasoning behind the industry experience is purely a financial one, obviously it will have some relivence. Qantas implemented this policy for cadets in 1970, so this is nothing new.
Put things into perspective, the cadets(depending on level) will pay far more than QF's relative costs to complete all 4 stages of selection. Considerlaby more if those cadidates live on the west coast.
But as usual, we have a bunch of ill-informed posts based on pure speculation and gossip. You will have to wait for an official statement from QCC before you believe what you read on here.
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N One, Perhaps with your own spelling and syntax errors you are building a glass house for yourself.
It is;
* Definitely.
* Accommodation.
* Relevance.
* Considerably.
* Candidates.
In their respective and proper contexts.
Not to mention your incorrect spacing and the misuse of punctuation.
Please, before "sinking the boot" into someone else, have a closer look at your own verbal reasoning. Nobody likes a smarta***.
Have a nice day.
Ed to correct the formatting changes between "respond to" and the actual post.
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: 429 CJ ]
I assume, from that feeble attempt at the english language......
* Definitely.
* Accommodation.
* Relevance.
* Considerably.
* Candidates.
In their respective and proper contexts.
Not to mention your incorrect spacing and the misuse of punctuation.
Please, before "sinking the boot" into someone else, have a closer look at your own verbal reasoning. Nobody likes a smarta***.
Have a nice day.
Ed to correct the formatting changes between "respond to" and the actual post.
[ 01 December 2001: Message edited by: 429 CJ ]
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Maxsfree, thanks for your nasty comments, I can only strive to be as intelligent as you one day, I pressume you now run a fleet of c152's and always knew all the answers to all the questions!! In light of the rescent replies I am wondering would it not be more benificial to save my $70,000 that I would spend on a cadetship and instead spend $30,000 of it on a commercial license and spend the spare $40,000 on a citation endorsement and I.C.U.S hours so I could fly jets right away?? surely this would be the way to go, I wouldn't like to instruct in those little aircraft, my dad says instructors only make about $30,000 a year!! 
The Hun,
I know of no organisation in this country that will employ you as a Biz-jet pilot with only paid-for ICUS and endorsement time.
With the number of highly experienced jet pilots currently out of work (I have 11 000 hours, 7 500 jet and no job) and this situation unlikely to change for a number of years, Citation jobs and the like will be highly sort after.
I note that you frequently come on to this forum to ask advise from experienced members of the industry and then stedfastly ignore any information you don't like. Not a smart attitude if this is really the game you want to get into.
Assuming the cadetship road is closing (and in any case it was a long shot and graduates had to go and get "Industry Experience" (Shock! Horror! General Aviation!)) the avenues open to you are:-
1) The military
2) Self funded training and GA experience.
I know literally hundreds of Airline Pilots, and these are the ONLY ways they got to where they were going.
I'll repeat my previous advice.....If you're not prepared to do what it takes, choose another profesion.
I know of no organisation in this country that will employ you as a Biz-jet pilot with only paid-for ICUS and endorsement time.
With the number of highly experienced jet pilots currently out of work (I have 11 000 hours, 7 500 jet and no job) and this situation unlikely to change for a number of years, Citation jobs and the like will be highly sort after.
I note that you frequently come on to this forum to ask advise from experienced members of the industry and then stedfastly ignore any information you don't like. Not a smart attitude if this is really the game you want to get into.
Assuming the cadetship road is closing (and in any case it was a long shot and graduates had to go and get "Industry Experience" (Shock! Horror! General Aviation!)) the avenues open to you are:-
1) The military
2) Self funded training and GA experience.
I know literally hundreds of Airline Pilots, and these are the ONLY ways they got to where they were going.
I'll repeat my previous advice.....If you're not prepared to do what it takes, choose another profesion.
