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Whilst not wanting to go against the sentiment expressed in my previous post, I think that the two last cadets should be just as cautious when using sweeping generalisations, particularly when it comes to defining what makes the best airline pilot. When it comes down to it, a good candidate from either camp can probably perform to a common high standard, and vice-versa. The things which separate the good from the bad are usually in the form of the complex inner workings of personality, intelligence and aptitude, all matters which cannot be simplified (though the airline recruitment processes insist on trying!).
I say to those on both sides of the argument, it's very hard to judge the relevance and worth of ones aviation background if you've not had close experience of it yourself.
I'll have to disagree with Backtraks' Baron pilot comment, there are many things learnt in the GA environment which become the foundations of a sucessful airline pilot. Not the least of which is the self-discipline Backtrak mentions, again it's up to the individual.
I say to those on both sides of the argument, it's very hard to judge the relevance and worth of ones aviation background if you've not had close experience of it yourself.
I'll have to disagree with Backtraks' Baron pilot comment, there are many things learnt in the GA environment which become the foundations of a sucessful airline pilot. Not the least of which is the self-discipline Backtrak mentions, again it's up to the individual.
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Wheelbarrow - I don't think the negative comments regarding heading "up north" are specifically aimed at the place, more the minority whom seem to think that a "good pilots" rite of passage begins on the Stuart Highway. Don't get me wrong though - I think Darwin and the top end in general is a great place to live.
I totally agree with Flying Tiger's medical industry comparison. For a group of professionals, we do seem to have in for one another. There are enough people/organisations/government bodies having a negative impact on aviation; infighting within the industry simply reduces our effectiveness against these actions, and our general credibility within the public (our customer). There are far more important issues facing our profession than how a collegue got into the seat next to you.
There is no right and wrong way into this great industry in this fantastic country of ours. I think the attributes that make a good pilot exist in an individual before their first flight. What you do after that, whether you join a cadet program, the RAAF or self-fund is mere detail.
[ 07 November 2001: Message edited by: 150Aerobat ]
I totally agree with Flying Tiger's medical industry comparison. For a group of professionals, we do seem to have in for one another. There are enough people/organisations/government bodies having a negative impact on aviation; infighting within the industry simply reduces our effectiveness against these actions, and our general credibility within the public (our customer). There are far more important issues facing our profession than how a collegue got into the seat next to you.
There is no right and wrong way into this great industry in this fantastic country of ours. I think the attributes that make a good pilot exist in an individual before their first flight. What you do after that, whether you join a cadet program, the RAAF or self-fund is mere detail.
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The best thing about all you cadets with thousands of hours multi crew turbine is when you can not get command because of lack of any multi command time (normally gained through sheer hard work in G.A.). At least CASA know how good you are.
I have come across many resumes from airline cadets who think they can walk straight into a G.A. company and start flying twins. They are not prepared to start on the bottom and fly a single and wait several years to fly a twin.
Could you imagine a cadet loading a plane, refuelling, not having an autopilot/2nd crew member, no pressurisation / air conditioning, no inflight coffee being served, washing planes, working in the hangar, work long hours - 6 days/week, work on their day off, !!!
I am sure some cadets would be prepared to do the above and it would be a great thing to see. It would show that there are no short cuts to the top no matter how hard some try. Or some others just wouldn't bother proving how determined they really are.
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I have come across many resumes from airline cadets who think they can walk straight into a G.A. company and start flying twins. They are not prepared to start on the bottom and fly a single and wait several years to fly a twin.
Could you imagine a cadet loading a plane, refuelling, not having an autopilot/2nd crew member, no pressurisation / air conditioning, no inflight coffee being served, washing planes, working in the hangar, work long hours - 6 days/week, work on their day off, !!!
I am sure some cadets would be prepared to do the above and it would be a great thing to see. It would show that there are no short cuts to the top no matter how hard some try. Or some others just wouldn't bother proving how determined they really are.
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USTASHA- my bet is that you will never get an airline job whilst you show the attitude and personality of your last post.
The AN cadet that I refer to is currently working in Marble Bar for a geo/7days a week/12 hour days/40 + heat/ walking bush taking samples. He will spend that cash on renewing his CIR then take the first job flying offered to him,anywhere/any a/c and not complain if he works 6 days a week. He would stop at working on the 7th day if that was his day off, unlike you, he probably learnt something about ANO 48.
Battler- the financial dif. I agree is $50,000 but that is where it stops in most cases. Did you do outward bound,two crew ops in 737 sim ATPL etc for your $50,000(think not) given that most of these guys will soon have the command time, they will then be a threat to the average GA pilot.
Karunch- get a life mate,not all AN cadets had rich daddy's in the airline, and have had to fund the $100,000 on there pat malone. Do the training the way you choose, gain the qualiifications, get the experience your way and get to the top, BUT don't critisise the next bloke because he did it differently to you and you think that your way is the only way, don't be self centred.
When AN get back up and running, there will be a lot of cadets in the new operation, so to those that want to kick them when they are down, should you ever make it to the airlines be it either AN/QF, ask about cadets and you will find most are in there and been doing what you worked towards for 5-7 years. Having said that, the days working GA are fun days let your hair lose and get the wild bugs out of your system.
Get a life and ENJOY AVIATION
The AN cadet that I refer to is currently working in Marble Bar for a geo/7days a week/12 hour days/40 + heat/ walking bush taking samples. He will spend that cash on renewing his CIR then take the first job flying offered to him,anywhere/any a/c and not complain if he works 6 days a week. He would stop at working on the 7th day if that was his day off, unlike you, he probably learnt something about ANO 48.
Battler- the financial dif. I agree is $50,000 but that is where it stops in most cases. Did you do outward bound,two crew ops in 737 sim ATPL etc for your $50,000(think not) given that most of these guys will soon have the command time, they will then be a threat to the average GA pilot.
Karunch- get a life mate,not all AN cadets had rich daddy's in the airline, and have had to fund the $100,000 on there pat malone. Do the training the way you choose, gain the qualiifications, get the experience your way and get to the top, BUT don't critisise the next bloke because he did it differently to you and you think that your way is the only way, don't be self centred.
When AN get back up and running, there will be a lot of cadets in the new operation, so to those that want to kick them when they are down, should you ever make it to the airlines be it either AN/QF, ask about cadets and you will find most are in there and been doing what you worked towards for 5-7 years. Having said that, the days working GA are fun days let your hair lose and get the wild bugs out of your system.
Get a life and ENJOY AVIATION
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You guys having a go at the cadets how many have you meet or know. Sure they havent done time in GA but who cares? You guys complaining are just bitter and twisted and like you would'nt have done a cadetship it if you had the chance. Grow up
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Backtrak, give the big fella my regards and tell him I'll be in contact with him shortly.
I know alot of the cadets, have flown with them and some of them are the best blokes in the industry that I know and am proud to have them as mates. I've been through the cadet system and have been flying G.A. for the last four years and I can assure you that just cause they were in airlines and I wasn't, does that make them any better than me?? They certainly didn't think so. Give the guys and girls a fair go chaps. They've done nothing to hurt any of you.
I know alot of the cadets, have flown with them and some of them are the best blokes in the industry that I know and am proud to have them as mates. I've been through the cadet system and have been flying G.A. for the last four years and I can assure you that just cause they were in airlines and I wasn't, does that make them any better than me?? They certainly didn't think so. Give the guys and girls a fair go chaps. They've done nothing to hurt any of you.
