crash at mount coolah
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Just heard on the news that a light aircraft crashed in sydney's north late this afternoon. Don't know much, but apparently there were 4 POB, injuries are unconfirmed.
On the news it looked to be missing a wing, sprawled over a suburban road. There was a report that the pilot had been attempting to land in a field, but clipped power lines.
This is just what I saw and heard on the tele, so details may be sketchy.
On the news it looked to be missing a wing, sprawled over a suburban road. There was a report that the pilot had been attempting to land in a field, but clipped power lines.
This is just what I saw and heard on the tele, so details may be sketchy.
The media got it right, as usual. ABC newsreader Richard Morecroft called the aircraft a Cessna. Sure enough, when the vision was put to air it was a Piper.
Gotta hand it to the media; "never let the facts get in the way of a good story."
Journalist, n, proper. - a failed writer.
Gotta hand it to the media; "never let the facts get in the way of a good story."
Journalist, n, proper. - a failed writer.
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Have not heard anything on any Qld news on this issue.
Think someone covered the media reliability thing a while back ...... if it's got prop/s, its a Cessna! (might have been on the Twin commanche prang at YBAF....)
Regards
Think someone covered the media reliability thing a while back ...... if it's got prop/s, its a Cessna! (might have been on the Twin commanche prang at YBAF....)
Regards
Well it 'was' an Archer VH-TVS of the alpha flying group
http://www.alphaflying.asn.au/piper1.htm
One wing torn off, one POB only apparently and he's ok in hospital.
http://www.alphaflying.asn.au/piper1.htm
One wing torn off, one POB only apparently and he's ok in hospital.
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Shame, this aircraft had just been refurbished big time, to a high standard.
Fresh motor (Hawker Blue Seal I think), paint, interior and when exhibited at BK recently was confused with Piper's latest model.
I enjoyed flying it.
Suburb is Mount Colah.
Fresh motor (Hawker Blue Seal I think), paint, interior and when exhibited at BK recently was confused with Piper's latest model.
I enjoyed flying it.
Suburb is Mount Colah.
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Not long finished watching the 10 evening news here in Melbourne....praise to pilot Ken McCracken for missing the kids playing on the oval...he suffered only minor injuries...in his own words, he's sustained worse from a rugby game!
There was a resident in a nearby street who managed to capture a home video of the incident. Again, well done to the pilot.
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There was a resident in a nearby street who managed to capture a home video of the incident. Again, well done to the pilot.
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Saw the home video footage tonight which was certainly quite spectacular. 
Who are these people that always seem to have a video camera at the ready to capture events like this?
Who are these people that always seem to have a video camera at the ready to capture events like this?
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Let's not make any assumptions about fuel just yet. 197 litres or so feeding 0-360 say 36 litres per hour depending on power setting. Just about 2 miles a minute. And you can carry full fuel with quite a cabin load in VH-TVS.
Press treatment below...
Light plane lands in a Sydney street
© AAP
A light plane crashed on a suburban street as it tried to make an emergency landing in Sydney's north late Friday afternoon.
The 64-year-old pilot was attempting to bring the single-engined plane down on Foxglove sports oval at Mt Colah, near Hornsby, at about 5.35pm (AEST), police said.
A wing was ripped off as it clipped a goalpost, flipping the plane over into adjacent Lancelot Street.
The pilot, the only person on board, was able to free himself from the wreckage and was taken to hospital in a stable condition, police said
Let's not make any assumptions about fuel just yet. 197 litres or so feeding 0-360 say 36 litres per hour depending on power setting. Just about 2 miles a minute. And you can carry full fuel with quite a cabin load in VH-TVS.
Press treatment below...
Light plane lands in a Sydney street
© AAP
A light plane crashed on a suburban street as it tried to make an emergency landing in Sydney's north late Friday afternoon.
The 64-year-old pilot was attempting to bring the single-engined plane down on Foxglove sports oval at Mt Colah, near Hornsby, at about 5.35pm (AEST), police said.
A wing was ripped off as it clipped a goalpost, flipping the plane over into adjacent Lancelot Street.
The pilot, the only person on board, was able to free himself from the wreckage and was taken to hospital in a stable condition, police said
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Chips,
Agreed - it is harsh of me to make assumptions without knowing the full story. My rational is that the winds were out of the south west at about 50kts/7000, I think it's fair to say that departing with full tanks would be a necessity for flying an Archer from PMQ/TRE to BK in those conditions.
-GO
Agreed - it is harsh of me to make assumptions without knowing the full story. My rational is that the winds were out of the south west at about 50kts/7000, I think it's fair to say that departing with full tanks would be a necessity for flying an Archer from PMQ/TRE to BK in those conditions.
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Won't be hard to determine... either there is fuel around the crash site and in wreck components, or there isn't.
I don't think Ken McCracken would have picked A070 (or A060) if that meant steaming into 50kt in a cherry-tree.
I don't think Ken McCracken would have picked A070 (or A060) if that meant steaming into 50kt in a cherry-tree.
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Is the pilot covered for the damage caused to this plane? I assume the owner has hull damage cover but does this really cover the pilot.
Will the insurance company pay the owner then sue the pilot to recover the costs or will they pay the owner then present the pilot with some sort of excess to pay.
What if he ran out of fuel? Will the insurance company pay for anything in that case or will they leave it to the owner to recover the cost from the owner.
Is it likely that CASA will prosecute?
[ 20 August 2001: Message edited by: Roger Roger ]
Will the insurance company pay the owner then sue the pilot to recover the costs or will they pay the owner then present the pilot with some sort of excess to pay.
What if he ran out of fuel? Will the insurance company pay for anything in that case or will they leave it to the owner to recover the cost from the owner.
Is it likely that CASA will prosecute?
[ 20 August 2001: Message edited by: Roger Roger ]
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Bit rusty on this but yes the Insurance company will pay out unless "Breach of Warranty" is excluded in the policy.
All insurance is written "in the utmost good faith" ie. it assumes that the insured has diclosed everything that is pertinent and that he will not do anything illegal or to prejudice their respective rights.
Normally a "breach of warranty" clause protects the owner from a third party (employee pilot or hirer) who may be using/hiring using the equipment in a manner that prejudices the owners and insurers agreement in that the insurer will pay out the owners claim but reserves the right to go after the user.
Yes, if it can be shown that you are negligent committed an illegal act or deliberately pushed the boundaries resulting in loss they can and nowadays will come after you.
Next time you sign out an aircraft on hire or to go do your job, just remember, as long as EVERYTHING on the aircraft is up to snuff and you plan to do EVERYTHINGthat you are legally entitled too, you'll have a pleasant flight and if it does turn to tears you'll be right.
Do it otherwise and you will be risking everything you own and some.
Bit rusty on this but yes the Insurance company will pay out unless "Breach of Warranty" is excluded in the policy.
All insurance is written "in the utmost good faith" ie. it assumes that the insured has diclosed everything that is pertinent and that he will not do anything illegal or to prejudice their respective rights.
Normally a "breach of warranty" clause protects the owner from a third party (employee pilot or hirer) who may be using/hiring using the equipment in a manner that prejudices the owners and insurers agreement in that the insurer will pay out the owners claim but reserves the right to go after the user.
Yes, if it can be shown that you are negligent committed an illegal act or deliberately pushed the boundaries resulting in loss they can and nowadays will come after you.
Next time you sign out an aircraft on hire or to go do your job, just remember, as long as EVERYTHING on the aircraft is up to snuff and you plan to do EVERYTHINGthat you are legally entitled too, you'll have a pleasant flight and if it does turn to tears you'll be right.
Do it otherwise and you will be risking everything you own and some.
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This scenario is complicated by the fact that the Alpha group is a syndicate.
In theory, all pilots are part owners. At least, that's how it was when I was a member, though some owners were more equal than others!
In theory, all pilots are part owners. At least, that's how it was when I was a member, though some owners were more equal than others!
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That's an interesting one. I'm no lawyer but I suspect that it would be held that notwithstanding that the user was part of an ownership syndicate, his relationship to the syndicate as a user would be that of a hirer.
I would premise this on the basis of the purpose of the syndicate.
The syndicate have bought the aircraft to make it available for use by individual hirers (themsleves) who pay the syndicate an agreed hourly rate for it's maintenance and upkeep. It is only cheaper because of the method of ownership. It is not possible to distinguish or separate which part of the aircraft is owned by which member so the liabilities must be corporate and therefore a user (syndicate owner or not) has a separate relationship as a hirer to that as an owner.
I would reckon the syndicate would need "breach of warranty" against this possibility.
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That's an interesting one. I'm no lawyer but I suspect that it would be held that notwithstanding that the user was part of an ownership syndicate, his relationship to the syndicate as a user would be that of a hirer.
I would premise this on the basis of the purpose of the syndicate.
The syndicate have bought the aircraft to make it available for use by individual hirers (themsleves) who pay the syndicate an agreed hourly rate for it's maintenance and upkeep. It is only cheaper because of the method of ownership. It is not possible to distinguish or separate which part of the aircraft is owned by which member so the liabilities must be corporate and therefore a user (syndicate owner or not) has a separate relationship as a hirer to that as an owner.
I would reckon the syndicate would need "breach of warranty" against this possibility.
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In order to aid anyone answering... the Alpha flying group has a company structure.
It is "Alpha Aviation Limited", complete with ABN.
Shareholders do rent from the company just like from a flying school, so I expect the insurance treatment is similar.
I expect that if you happened to have a few shares in an ordinary school you would be able to rent from 'your' school with no extra insurance issues.
It is "Alpha Aviation Limited", complete with ABN.
Shareholders do rent from the company just like from a flying school, so I expect the insurance treatment is similar.
I expect that if you happened to have a few shares in an ordinary school you would be able to rent from 'your' school with no extra insurance issues.
