QF Recruiting...cadets only in 2 years???
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QF Recruiting...cadets only in 2 years???
Rumour going around is that in 2 years time, the plan is that the only pilots that will get into QF will be cadets..........for good. That is, no more pilots from GA.
This was apparently confirmed by one of the ladies from recruiting recently.
Can enyone dispell this.
If it's true, we might as well go sell realestate.
This was apparently confirmed by one of the ladies from recruiting recently.
Can enyone dispell this.
If it's true, we might as well go sell realestate.
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I don't think Qantas would implement this. I believe they will always be direct entry from GA if you meet their requirement.
It won't be fair to those hard working pilots who is in the GA industry doing anything they could to gain hours and experience.
I hope the rumour is not true
It won't be fair to those hard working pilots who is in the GA industry doing anything they could to gain hours and experience.
I hope the rumour is not true
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Since when has fairness had anything to do with it. 
If that is the way QF want to go, want's to stop them. Other than in 15-20 yrs time and they realize that the no longer have the experience level needed in the cockpit. You can't teach everything, somethings just have to be learnt.
If that is the way QF want to go, want's to stop them. Other than in 15-20 yrs time and they realize that the no longer have the experience level needed in the cockpit. You can't teach everything, somethings just have to be learnt.
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Ozgrade3 unfortunately I cannot dispell this as a good female friend of mine, ex QF cadet and relative to a senior QF Captain just told me the same bloody thing!
It was meant to be "TOP SECRET" for at least to the end of 2002.
Intakes to consist mainly of cadets, about 90% and 10% from GA and the Defence Forces.
I hope this isn't true, because then I am ****e*, but unfortunately too much evidence supporting this is arising. 
It was meant to be "TOP SECRET" for at least to the end of 2002.
Intakes to consist mainly of cadets, about 90% and 10% from GA and the Defence Forces.
I hope this isn't true, because then I am ****e*, but unfortunately too much evidence supporting this is arising.
The thing is current QF management is mostly cadets. Since they are clearly the best pilots in the company then it is obvious that all future pilots should also be cadets.
Alternately, they are perhaps just more ambitious than better than the average G/A or airforce pilots, most of which just love to fly and do it well. I think this the most likely answer.
Cadets come to the company with nothing - no knowledge and no experience. That way our all knowing leaders are able teach them the best way to fly. Unfortunatly what is resulting is a very scary loss of general knowledge as the company sinks deeper down into its silo mentality. They think they know best but in reality they just don't know what they don't know and they'll never get to know if they don't have people about who might know but don't because they only know what they were taught by people who didn't know in the first place, besides which most are not doing it for any love of flying and have little motivation to know any more than they are told they need to know!
Oh my goodness look who got charge while the pilots where out flying.
Alternately, they are perhaps just more ambitious than better than the average G/A or airforce pilots, most of which just love to fly and do it well. I think this the most likely answer.
Cadets come to the company with nothing - no knowledge and no experience. That way our all knowing leaders are able teach them the best way to fly. Unfortunatly what is resulting is a very scary loss of general knowledge as the company sinks deeper down into its silo mentality. They think they know best but in reality they just don't know what they don't know and they'll never get to know if they don't have people about who might know but don't because they only know what they were taught by people who didn't know in the first place, besides which most are not doing it for any love of flying and have little motivation to know any more than they are told they need to know!
Oh my goodness look who got charge while the pilots where out flying.
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Haven't heard the rumour but then again, it's been a while since QF recruitment consulted me about a job!!
All cadets and no others isn't a fantastic idea. Makes a place just a little 'closeted'.
As an ex cadet, I would disagree with any move to only employ cadets.
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
All cadets and no others isn't a fantastic idea. Makes a place just a little 'closeted'.
As an ex cadet, I would disagree with any move to only employ cadets.
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
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A preference may arrise for cadets, although i doubt a total move would ever occur. Time for cadets to reach f/o hours is rather restrictive.
Look at previous posts, and you'll see that the comments relating to a lack of practical experience don't really apply as the progam is to be changed from 2002, so that they are farmed out to gain GA experience (over 2 years i think)
Look at previous posts, and you'll see that the comments relating to a lack of practical experience don't really apply as the progam is to be changed from 2002, so that they are farmed out to gain GA experience (over 2 years i think)
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Last year QF took in the vicinity of 200 pilots and hypothetically if these were all cadets, they would not be able to progress to FO positions within a sufficient time frame to meet the planned expansion.
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Just to clarify, I'm with the Saint on this one.
QF couldn't support it's expansion with just cadets. It take the average cadet about three years to get the required Aeronautical experience to qualify for an F/O slot. With the average QF joiner gaining an F/O slot in under two years at the moment, we would run into hassles pretty quick!!
I reckon that this is one of those rumours that just re-sufaces every couple of years. It wss going around when QF first re-started the cadet courses in about '97 yet here we are still taking DE boys and girls.
If in doubt, call QF recruiting direct. Robin will at least give you todays answer. It may change by tomorrow but thats not her fault!
[ 30 October 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
QF couldn't support it's expansion with just cadets. It take the average cadet about three years to get the required Aeronautical experience to qualify for an F/O slot. With the average QF joiner gaining an F/O slot in under two years at the moment, we would run into hassles pretty quick!!
I reckon that this is one of those rumours that just re-sufaces every couple of years. It wss going around when QF first re-started the cadet courses in about '97 yet here we are still taking DE boys and girls.
If in doubt, call QF recruiting direct. Robin will at least give you todays answer. It may change by tomorrow but thats not her fault!
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Why do people think QF is the be all and end all? People saying they are ****ed if Qantas only start taking cadets. What are they planning to do if they aren't one of the lucky small portion of direct entry apps to get through?
I have my direct entry application in, but in aviation you need a plan B, and it doesn't involve selling real estate.
I have my direct entry application in, but in aviation you need a plan B, and it doesn't involve selling real estate.
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I think you are quite right in saying Qantas shouldn't be someones only option. But now Ansett is gone and I think Virgin only hire high time jet guys coming back from Europe, what are the options? That is of course if you want to end up flying jets.
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Keg, I "believe" the info came from Robin in recruiting, I was told by a reliable source you spoke to her personally.
I hope I'm wrong and this is only a rumour that surfaces every few years.
Even if you don't want to get into QF, the ramifications are serious to the entire GA industry. Qantas is the single biggest recruiter in the market, take that away, career paths are elimnated from GA to to QF, and we all know the industry relies on people moving up evey 18 months or so.
I hope I'm wrong and this is only a rumour that surfaces every few years.
Even if you don't want to get into QF, the ramifications are serious to the entire GA industry. Qantas is the single biggest recruiter in the market, take that away, career paths are elimnated from GA to to QF, and we all know the industry relies on people moving up evey 18 months or so.
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I was told by recruitment earlier this year that the cadet intake would be stepped up while the direct entry stream would be scaled down. That was the plan for the next two years anyway.
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Not sure what to think on this one.
I would say it will be a mistake for QF to just recruit cadets. It would have a huge knock on effect throughout the whole industry military and civil.
Like many have suggested if they do recruit only cadets this won't meet the current crewing requirements for an expanding fleet. Which will lead to problems.
I think if QF do go down this path they have to be willing TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT the cadets and PAY FOR THE TRAINING.
Afterall thats what BA do and they have had cadets for donkeys years.
I would say it will be a mistake for QF to just recruit cadets. It would have a huge knock on effect throughout the whole industry military and civil.
Like many have suggested if they do recruit only cadets this won't meet the current crewing requirements for an expanding fleet. Which will lead to problems.
I think if QF do go down this path they have to be willing TO FINANCIALLY SUPPORT the cadets and PAY FOR THE TRAINING.
Afterall thats what BA do and they have had cadets for donkeys years.
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With just the 15 737s on order, QF will need about 160 Second Officers by this time next year.
They currently have about 30 cadets in training. You guys do the math.
Maybe if QF back off to 30 or so new entrants per annum to just cover retirement in a few years we may only have cadets but no signs of things slowing for the forseeable future- which in this aviation climate is about 10 hours.
They currently have about 30 cadets in training. You guys do the math.
Maybe if QF back off to 30 or so new entrants per annum to just cover retirement in a few years we may only have cadets but no signs of things slowing for the forseeable future- which in this aviation climate is about 10 hours.
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Some of us have been told cadets plus, the usual rumour from time to time, progression from the regionals for experienced crew when required.
There is a directive from the Qantas board, now in place at Eastern, that all recruits must meet the Qantas requirements for psych etc.
Since this there has been a lot missing at first stage at Eastern.
There is a directive from the Qantas board, now in place at Eastern, that all recruits must meet the Qantas requirements for psych etc.
Since this there has been a lot missing at first stage at Eastern.