oz/ us/ uk atpl?
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I think alot of us here in Oz agree that the US ATPL is easy to get for various reasons. We tend to look down on it's legitamacy.. .. .The Oz ATPL theory as well as our airspace has been revamped over the years to conform to the ICAO standards.. .. .Why is it that the UK CAA, even under the JAR, are still not recognising our qualifications as one for one? I can understand the need for flight testing and airlaw but it seems to me just a revenue raising exersise for there system and possibly to protect there own jobs. It seems that the rest of Europe has come in to line with the UK.. .. .Why is it so easy for the poms to get an Oz conversion? Why don't we make them do an approved flying training program for the CPL if they don't have 500hrs P1/ICUS/P2 on a multi crew aircraft, their I/R theory and flight test again and then complete the Oz ATPL or CPL theory. On top of that we could charge them a fortune just to process the licence, lets say $1,500. Sounds just huh. That's some serious processing.. .. .Do they look down on our training syllabus or regard ours as inferior as we do the US? At least we don't down load the answers off the net. . .. .Anyway, should our ATPL theory be harder and more involved than it already is. What would the UK CAA like to see so that we and other counties could share a 1 for 1 on theory credits.
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Shaab Ive been pushin for a bloodey One World ATP for years! Lobbying ICAO but of course nothins every been achieved. But dont fall into the trap of tit-for-tat penalty exercises ("Why don't we make them...."). Thats a typical bureaucrat and politician thought-process. They are the "we" and "them" not us, and theres nothin you or I can do to change there minds since they represent provincial vested interests not Aviation. If pilots had control of ICAO instead of these morons we would probabley have a World ATP established between Contracting States by now.. .. .I will say the old UK ATP theory was pretty bloodey thorough, but its difficulty level was just the same as that in Oz.
Slasher, I reckon the main difficulty in the old UK syllabus was the way you had to pass not only each subject but also the majority of subjects in each group at the first sitting for it to count; and your right,it wasn't the content so much as the quantity and depth of the subjects.. .. .Shaablaam, unfortunately if you want to play in their backyard you have to play by their rules. I was told once that back in the days of closer relationships with the UK there was a move to allow recognition/straight swap of OZ/UK licences but it was vetoed by the then DCA( but this may only be a rumour).Also, be advised that in regard to the 500hrs of multi crew it has to be on an aircraft type that is on their (ie UK) register to avoid the MCC requirement;I was lucky that they had one of my mutli crew types, otherwise it was off to the MCC course for me; and you'd be surprised what they don't have on their register.. . . . <small>[ 11 March 2002, 05:04: Message edited by: Seaeagle109 ]</small>
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Slasher, thanx for bringing me back to reality, your right. I was a little suprised and by the time I started typing, furious.. .. .Seaeagle 109, you have obviously succeeded in obtaining the conversion. I unfortunatly have to deal with the long way through the process, although thankfully not the longest. May I ask where you did it, what the course was like, correspondence/full time and what the flight testing was all about?. .. .Thanx in advance....
On the subject of licence conversions..............has anyone ever converted an Oz ATPL to a US ATPL? If so, what is involved? Do you still have to do their exams + flight test?
Shaablamm,. .. .I did the theory in Adelaide with British Aerospace in 1999, unfortunately you can't do a UK licence anymore it has to be a JAA. I was required do a GFT( in YPAD) and IR(UK, but fortunately on an "as required" basis) to complete the licence, also I had to do the initial medical in the UK( you used to be able to do that in Oz but not now/ renewals are OK).. .. .I was able to do this because I started before the cutoff date back in 1999 before the current system(ie JAA) came into place. There are exemptions available if you meet certain experience requirements; for detailed info try the UK CAA website. The thing is it costs alot of $$ to do the licence.. .. .Email me and I'll try to give you more detail. I have some details for theory schools/flight schools/ accomodation, etc.
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Nearly finished the JAR ATPL conversion.. .If you have 500 hours + on multi crew operations, budget $A35,000. If not, budget $A50,000. Life over here ain't cheap if you aren't working.. .. .Keep an eye on the latest musings from the SRG-CAA website.
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Shaablaam. .. .I think you might be looking into the wrong end of the telescope mate. How many Brits are working for the airlines in Australia at present (not many I'll wager). . .Whereas European aviation has got Aussies crawling all over it (not just 89ers either) - which I dont mind, because the majority are good blokes. . .In the wider sense my area of West London is shortly to be renamed Adelaide on account of the literally thousands of Australians who dont seem to like Australia and want to hang out with all us whinging Poms!!. .. .So before you start trying to make it harder for other people to enter Australian aviation, just consider how the reverse process could affect not just you, but lots of other Australian aviators.
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Hereford,. .There are many Brits working for the airlines and charter companies in Australia. They either emigrated, married an Australian or have an Australian parent.. .A conservative estimate would range from 10-25%.. .. .CASA doesn't make them do the full ATPL syllabus again.. .The difference between the JAR requirements and the CASA requirements are chalk and cheese.
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Seaeagle109 and Redsnail, I've sent you a different email. Cheers gents.. .. .Hereford, I know there alot of ozzies there but as has already been said there are alot of Poms here. I don't have any gripe with that at all, quite the opposite in fact. All I, along with many others, would like is an international standard. To me it seems logical. . .. .I am just amazed that the worlds aviation authorities haven't sorted it out yet, especially countries like Aus, UK, US. Do we all have to come in to line with the JAA or lower the std as far as the US?. .. .The tone that probably comes accross in the initial post was simply because I was a bit bemused. No offence meant to anyone....
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Shaablaam,. .Gents??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="redface.gif" /> . .I think you will find answers to your questions in the other thread I posted ages ago.
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OH NO.. Sheesh I am sorry Reddo. Didn't look. Was enlightened by S.E 109. I gues thats why I always call everyone mate. Sorry mate.. .. .Got the other posts and S.E. thanx for all the info. Much appreciated. Will be getting started asap, albeit the long expensive way. Will be sure to contact you. . .. .CHEERS.
