Virgin for regional WA
Virgin for regional WA
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Virgin have NO REGIONALS on the entire Eastern Seaboard and they are going to start one in the West????
Virgin are very aware of the competition about to be unleased on them by AN mk2, hence the panick!
One of these regionals is itching, capable and willing to dissassemble Virgin ,without the help of Messrs F/L.
AN2 have all but sewn up their regional network, Virgin are by necessity watching the BIG PICTURE.
Sit back, try and relax and observe.
Virgin are very aware of the competition about to be unleased on them by AN mk2, hence the panick!
One of these regionals is itching, capable and willing to dissassemble Virgin ,without the help of Messrs F/L.
AN2 have all but sewn up their regional network, Virgin are by necessity watching the BIG PICTURE.
Sit back, try and relax and observe.
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beerbreewer, In most places in the world you can just use a gate. I mean Qantas does not own terminals all around the world. Only in Oz are they (or were) "signed up" to the two(now one) major carriers.
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chaps,
Where in the first post does it suggest that Virgin is going to start up a WA regional airline?
It suggests that Virgin are looking at regional ops - it doesn't say what with.....
And as for the forthcoming torrent of competition from AN Mk II well it remains to be seen if Fox/Lew are prepared to make it work - nobody I know reckons they are interested in running an airline - more like grabbing real estate at bargain basement prices....
It certainly will be interesting!
By the way what is the delivery schedule for the V2500 powered A320's and how long does it take for engineers to do a type course on the engine??
Where in the first post does it suggest that Virgin is going to start up a WA regional airline?
It suggests that Virgin are looking at regional ops - it doesn't say what with.....
And as for the forthcoming torrent of competition from AN Mk II well it remains to be seen if Fox/Lew are prepared to make it work - nobody I know reckons they are interested in running an airline - more like grabbing real estate at bargain basement prices....
It certainly will be interesting!
By the way what is the delivery schedule for the V2500 powered A320's and how long does it take for engineers to do a type course on the engine??
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Never mind the V2500 powered A320's, they've been deferred! 
DJ are opportunists, & if they think they can get some WA subsidies by operating where AN won't, they'll go for it. AN3, or whatever it will be, won't be flying regionally in the near future in WA. Skywest will need to feed somewhere & if DJ are quick enough, they may just get the business. I could be wrong, but didn't Stokes say that he didn't want Skywest f Fox & Lew were running AN???
DJ are opportunists, & if they think they can get some WA subsidies by operating where AN won't, they'll go for it. AN3, or whatever it will be, won't be flying regionally in the near future in WA. Skywest will need to feed somewhere & if DJ are quick enough, they may just get the business. I could be wrong, but didn't Stokes say that he didn't want Skywest f Fox & Lew were running AN???
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Virgin to start up in regional WA?
I'll believe that when I see it!!! Like I beleived all those other new airlines that were starting in W.A.(Compass Impuse Et Al)
We were all going to be revolutionised then too!!! It was going to be great.
Im sure the only reason that the main carriers fly to Perth(let alone anywhere else in W.A) is because its attatched to Australia and some of the people in the eastern states express a desire to go there occasionaly (and be robbed blind in the processs)
It would be great for the whole of W.A. to get serious competition but Hey I'Ve been around long enough and lived in regional W.A. to know it probably aint gonna happen. I would be out there buying the first tickets but like the tooth fairy and Father Christmas- some beliefs you just grow out of.
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I'll believe that when I see it!!! Like I beleived all those other new airlines that were starting in W.A.(Compass Impuse Et Al)
We were all going to be revolutionised then too!!! It was going to be great.
Im sure the only reason that the main carriers fly to Perth(let alone anywhere else in W.A) is because its attatched to Australia and some of the people in the eastern states express a desire to go there occasionaly (and be robbed blind in the processs)
It would be great for the whole of W.A. to get serious competition but Hey I'Ve been around long enough and lived in regional W.A. to know it probably aint gonna happen. I would be out there buying the first tickets but like the tooth fairy and Father Christmas- some beliefs you just grow out of.
Mrs Wheelbarrow
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It would be great if they could move into the Perth - Kalgoorlie route. No shortage of customers, just aircraft. A bit of competition might see realistic fares being offered once more.
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If Virgin is to operate intra WA then they would need different A/C to their current 73's. Only KA and KG could sustain competition and KG is to close for a 73 to be efficient. So why would they start.
Also haven't they just pulled out of Isa? There are more people living in Isa than KA so how will the discount model work.?
To many if's and just a bit of poetic licence from those that see cheap seats as the best thing in airline history.
Also haven't they just pulled out of Isa? There are more people living in Isa than KA so how will the discount model work.?
To many if's and just a bit of poetic licence from those that see cheap seats as the best thing in airline history.
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QF to operate 73's PH-KG and PH-BME
I am told in lieu of QF-Link's 146's. KG is a very high yielding business route with lots of cashed up miners with tax free dollars. A few hundred bucks for the one hour trip won't hurt their pocket.
I am told in lieu of QF-Link's 146's. KG is a very high yielding business route with lots of cashed up miners with tax free dollars. A few hundred bucks for the one hour trip won't hurt their pocket.
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KG is a very high yielding business route with lots of cashed up miners with tax free dollars.
No mining is now tax free, gold was but the Hawke Keating administration stopped that so now with state government royalties there is actually double taxation.
Far less miners than there used to be, modernisation. Anyway most of the punters were not miners but exploration people and as a result of taxation, native title and in real terms depressed metal prices these people are now to be found in Africa or South America.
A few hundred bucks for the one hour trip won't hurt their pocket.
The KG route is a bit like a suburban commuter train, 100% load one way 35% on the return if your are lucky. recently I have been 1 of 9 in a Skywest F50 when the QF 146 had 7 paxs and 1 of 13 when Skywest no had competing service. Each of these had a good load into Kal. So it would not suit a Virgin type low yield operation needing a good load in both directions
Historically there has never been many discounted fares on this route it was a case of supply and demand. Pay up and be there in an hour, 600k of petrol and wear and tear (plus a few radar checks ..... viz the old Skywest advert), 61/2 hours on the bus, 8 ½ on the train (no more nightly sleepers), your choice. that's why its high yield route not much choice.
Using a 737? AN had used one on this route for quite a few years now so its only logical that now QF link will do so when they have one available. 1 737 must make more sense than 2 146s. Like everywhere else the loads are down, on a Mon. morning AN had a 737 and a 146 with a QF 146 and a follow-up 146 for ADL which did not have enough through paxs and was withdrawn, now you've got 2x146 & a F50.. Now if one of those 146s is returning near empty a 737 is better. Skywest use the F 50 onto Laverton or Leonora.
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Clarification re Tax Free Miners. I was alluding to underground miners earning far more than the pilots who fly them up there and to the recently much publicised tax minimisation schemes that have been stamped on by the ATO.
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To quote Jetpipe:
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Only KA and KG could sustain competition and KG is to close for a 73 to be efficient.
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If this is true Jetpipe, then Adelaide-Melbourne would be inefficient as well as the distance is about the same on both routes ... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
QF is placing a 737 on the Perth-Broome run but I think QF-Link 146s will still operate into town, so there will be 4 flights a day to Perth.
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Only KA and KG could sustain competition and KG is to close for a 73 to be efficient.
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If this is true Jetpipe, then Adelaide-Melbourne would be inefficient as well as the distance is about the same on both routes ... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
QF is placing a 737 on the Perth-Broome run but I think QF-Link 146s will still operate into town, so there will be 4 flights a day to Perth.
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The only difference between PH KG and AD ML is about 5 million people.
Kg is a one way load as stated above. Every morning flight is full inbound and empty outbound with the reverse in the afternoon. This fact makes it inefficient coupled with the short distance.
The only difference between PH KG and AD ML is about 5 million people.
Kg is a one way load as stated above. Every morning flight is full inbound and empty outbound with the reverse in the afternoon. This fact makes it inefficient coupled with the short distance.
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KA would only be viable ( especially for 737 ) if they got the woodside contract, Q/link did'nt have this and until AN went crash, they were carrying pretty poor loads. ( 10-30 )
Broome has the traffic, but poor yields, most of the punters going to Brm are tourists on package deals, looks good with all those bums on seats, but not good for the bottom line.
Pom Pax, Ph-KG 1hr in an F50 ?
The reason Q/link stopped the PH-KG-AD route 7 days a week was not loads ( I am reliably informed ) but that's another story.
TQ, not enough seats on PH-KG?, I estimate nearly 400 each way per day, maybe it's tough getting out fri. nite or back Sun. nite, but surely not at other times.
Broome has the traffic, but poor yields, most of the punters going to Brm are tourists on package deals, looks good with all those bums on seats, but not good for the bottom line.
Pom Pax, Ph-KG 1hr in an F50
?The reason Q/link stopped the PH-KG-AD route 7 days a week was not loads ( I am reliably informed ) but that's another story.
TQ, not enough seats on PH-KG?, I estimate nearly 400 each way per day, maybe it's tough getting out fri. nite or back Sun. nite, but surely not at other times.
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No longer rumours, just looked at QF schedule.
737-376s start Karratha 4 Feb, Broome 9 Feb, Kalgoorlie 11 Feb. Appears 1 a/c doing 2 Karrathas and the other fitting in a single Broome between am & pm Kals. Giving 8 & 9hours 10 utilisation, is there a job for them after it gets dark? Also flights listed as Qantas not Qantas Link operated by NJS.
Note I never said kgi-per in f50 1 hour, it does take 15 mins more than a 146 but and this is just a personal impression Skywest seem to have a better on time record than Quantas Link and at times the old AN.
737-376s start Karratha 4 Feb, Broome 9 Feb, Kalgoorlie 11 Feb. Appears 1 a/c doing 2 Karrathas and the other fitting in a single Broome between am & pm Kals. Giving 8 & 9hours 10 utilisation, is there a job for them after it gets dark? Also flights listed as Qantas not Qantas Link operated by NJS.
Note I never said kgi-per in f50 1 hour, it does take 15 mins more than a 146 but and this is just a personal impression Skywest seem to have a better on time record than Quantas Link and at times the old AN.
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I am wondering how QF is going to make any money from a 73 flying 8 hours a day. KA pax are nearly all woodside people so they will be at a discount and KG is one way traffic. BM is all package trips and so low yield. These issues coupled leads to a 73 service that will not look to healthy on the books even if it is a monoploy service. Thats unless the prices rise?!?!?!
If BM could utilise a 73 coupled with KG why did the old AN fly a KG DN KG service with the aircraft.
Now BM is going to get a 73 but at half past lunch time not the morning service that they have grown acustomed too, or will QF link be allowed to carry all the high yield business pax and leave the package deals for the 73?
It will be interesting to see how long this schedule remains as it seems to be a poor return at the best given the nature of the traffic that is going to be attracted.
If BM could utilise a 73 coupled with KG why did the old AN fly a KG DN KG service with the aircraft.
Now BM is going to get a 73 but at half past lunch time not the morning service that they have grown acustomed too, or will QF link be allowed to carry all the high yield business pax and leave the package deals for the 73?
It will be interesting to see how long this schedule remains as it seems to be a poor return at the best given the nature of the traffic that is going to be attracted.