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My first job was instructing. Everybody does it differently, and some end up in the same place. Some get there, and some don't. What I'm saying is that there is no formula to get the jobs you want. I'd suggest getting a job in a flying school away from the city. They generally not only do instructing but also charter. Twin time is what you want, but you don't normally get it straight away, you have to work for it. If you don't have the instructor rating yet, use it as a bargaining chip. Tell them you'll do it with them...but can they offer you some work afterwards. It starts from there. You then get to know people, who know other people, and you move from job to job, gaining experience all the time.
That's my advice anyway, but as i say, everyone has done it differently and still achieved the same goal.
That's my advice anyway, but as i say, everyone has done it differently and still achieved the same goal.
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Got mine in a company that had 7 singles and 5 twins. After about 1 year some had moved on and found myself driving everything. Moved on after 3 years total to a turbine job.
Thought I was extremely lucky. I wouldn't bother with the instructor rating. Do you want to fly or instruct ??
You're right Waldo, I thought mine was the only and best way !!
Thought I was extremely lucky. I wouldn't bother with the instructor rating. Do you want to fly or instruct ??
You're right Waldo, I thought mine was the only and best way !!
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Flying a C182 196? model in the middle of no where..... (believe it or not that job came from a mailed resume, just as well if he hada met me I wouldn't have had any chance...
I'd have to agree with liquid, quick hours, good progression, flying people around rather than the reverse, moving N is the key. 
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Started delivering newspapers on an old Raleigh Twenty then moved on to pushing a milk trolley around for about $5/hr. More than I'm getting now and a hell of a lot more rewarding. I should have never left.
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Getting that first full time commercial job is probably the hardest thing that any new CPL will do in his/her formative years.
It seems that you do it two ways : Obtain an Instructing ticket and hopefully a job with the school that issued it or else go and get a charter job, and that is with a new CPL, minimum time - minimum time to meet insurance requirements and enough time on type C172/182/RG/206/207/210 to keep the charter firm happy. (quote: How do you get a job without experience, how do you get experience without a job?).
I started out by having some tailwheel time on the aircraft that was being operated by a charter firm. When I got my CPL They simply said that now that I had a CPL I had better do some part time commercial work with them. I did and that went onto the CV.
I used that entry on my CV to advantage when I chased my next part time job and eventually got a full time job by sheer persistance of calling in and contacting a particular operator, and that was before I even had experience on his type of single engined aircraft.
That first full time charter job (S/E) was then used as CV material to obtain the next full time position.
Look at it from the employers point of view : If he takes on a new CPL he has to keep an eye on him/her for the first 50/100 hours to ensure that they fly the aircraft the way the firm wants it done, that the paperwork is done correctly, that departure and arrival times are met and that the CPL is able to make command decision - in the air and on the ground. All of that can mean a lot of looking over the shoulder of the new pilot until the boss is happy the new pilot is starting to perform without supervision.
All of this means that the more experience the new start has means less superbision he has to put in.
It seems that you do it two ways : Obtain an Instructing ticket and hopefully a job with the school that issued it or else go and get a charter job, and that is with a new CPL, minimum time - minimum time to meet insurance requirements and enough time on type C172/182/RG/206/207/210 to keep the charter firm happy. (quote: How do you get a job without experience, how do you get experience without a job?).
I started out by having some tailwheel time on the aircraft that was being operated by a charter firm. When I got my CPL They simply said that now that I had a CPL I had better do some part time commercial work with them. I did and that went onto the CV.
I used that entry on my CV to advantage when I chased my next part time job and eventually got a full time job by sheer persistance of calling in and contacting a particular operator, and that was before I even had experience on his type of single engined aircraft.
That first full time charter job (S/E) was then used as CV material to obtain the next full time position.
Look at it from the employers point of view : If he takes on a new CPL he has to keep an eye on him/her for the first 50/100 hours to ensure that they fly the aircraft the way the firm wants it done, that the paperwork is done correctly, that departure and arrival times are met and that the CPL is able to make command decision - in the air and on the ground. All of that can mean a lot of looking over the shoulder of the new pilot until the boss is happy the new pilot is starting to perform without supervision.
All of this means that the more experience the new start has means less superbision he has to put in.
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Grumpy monkey lives on. Is Loving life MIA?
BA is ticking over the hours - shame they are not turbine though like someone else's.....
UAA, UBQ and WYN where are they? Heard one C207 was going to Alaska <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
I miss the 100' forms. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Call you Xmas - have a good one.
On another note.....
Congratulations to Australia's newest CPL holder -from one El Rancho 'vet' to another - it's taken a long time but you finally got it. Now the hard work really begins...... go get em.
Grumpy monkey lives on. Is Loving life MIA?
BA is ticking over the hours - shame they are not turbine though like someone else's.....
UAA, UBQ and WYN where are they? Heard one C207 was going to Alaska <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
I miss the 100' forms. <img src="tongue.gif" border="0">
Call you Xmas - have a good one.
On another note.....
Congratulations to Australia's newest CPL holder -from one El Rancho 'vet' to another - it's taken a long time but you finally got it. Now the hard work really begins...... go get em.
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Ha ha It is only just a turbine dude. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
When are you going to get a job where there is mobil phone coverage <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> . I think the Q is still up for sale but the A is still going after all your efforts to destroy it
Talk to ya soon BA
When are you going to get a job where there is mobil phone coverage <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> . I think the Q is still up for sale but the A is still going after all your efforts to destroy it
Talk to ya soon BA