New ATPL exam structure
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New ATPL exam structure
Have you all seen the new ATPL exam structure ??
Instead of paying $100 to get 7 'tokens' to sit exams (ie sit FPL 3x, Systems x2 etc) you now have to buy a complete compliment of the 7 exams.
If you fail an exam component ie FPL, you have to pay $100 again to get another crack at it, even if you had already passed Met, Law etc yonks ago and still have 'credits' in that current compliment.
Does that make sense ?
All CASA essentially do is feed your answer sheet into a computer to mark it, and you are going to be fleeced everytime you fail an exam.
Instead of paying $100 to get 7 'tokens' to sit exams (ie sit FPL 3x, Systems x2 etc) you now have to buy a complete compliment of the 7 exams.
If you fail an exam component ie FPL, you have to pay $100 again to get another crack at it, even if you had already passed Met, Law etc yonks ago and still have 'credits' in that current compliment.
Does that make sense ?
All CASA essentially do is feed your answer sheet into a computer to mark it, and you are going to be fleeced everytime you fail an exam.
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That "explanation" they sent out appears to be harder to understand than any of the exams they set! It seems a bit unfair in that it penalises you for resitting any particular exam, as opposed to before when $100 bought 7 cracks at any topic.
I am just glad I have just finished mine in time before that debacle begins!
The Infidel- did you sit any at the last sitting? If so how did you go?
I am just glad I have just finished mine in time before that debacle begins!
The Infidel- did you sit any at the last sitting? If so how did you go?
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just read the relevant bits on CASA's website and it seems as though nothing has changed ,just dont fail anything or you will be up for $100 to resit it.
still a hundred clams to sit all 7 subjects with a bit of a "financial threat" to discourage anyone from failing and resitting.
which leads me to think...what brought this change of wording on ?
you had to pay $100 to sit all 7 , and if you failed any , you had to pay ANOTHER $100 for a second chance at any or all of the 7 subjects.
so basically on the second attempt you will pay $100 PER SUBJECT.
is there a significant number or candidates needing to resit and thus upset the finely tuned procedures in place at CASA exam centers...or have they just discovered a new way to pinch another 100 gold coins out of the pile that I hide under the bed.
whats wrong with the way it is ? why change and add complications and thus provide reasons to justify the increase..?? (if that makes sense)
my head hurts now....
still a hundred clams to sit all 7 subjects with a bit of a "financial threat" to discourage anyone from failing and resitting.
which leads me to think...what brought this change of wording on ?
you had to pay $100 to sit all 7 , and if you failed any , you had to pay ANOTHER $100 for a second chance at any or all of the 7 subjects.
so basically on the second attempt you will pay $100 PER SUBJECT.
is there a significant number or candidates needing to resit and thus upset the finely tuned procedures in place at CASA exam centers...or have they just discovered a new way to pinch another 100 gold coins out of the pile that I hide under the bed.
whats wrong with the way it is ? why change and add complications and thus provide reasons to justify the increase..?? (if that makes sense)
my head hurts now....
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I just have to say this, I passed all my ATPL exams AND all on first attempt! 
Woo Hoo! got my results today!
Anyway, I'm glad that I have passed all of them, (and so close to this weird new "cyber" system.) I think it has been implemented (maybe incorrectly) to stop the constant sit/fail routine a lot of pilots go through to hopefully snag one of them. They are hard, unfair and dont really test your true knowledge.
By the way another bit of bad news, all those sitting when the new "Cyber" Exams come into effect will not only be up for the CASA fee but another fee on top, implemented by the examining company (yet another outsource.) I have heard from a nice lady in the exam marking department
that the fee may be as high as $100/sitting. 
I hope its all wrong. Best of luck to everyone.
Woo Hoo! got my results today!
Anyway, I'm glad that I have passed all of them, (and so close to this weird new "cyber" system.) I think it has been implemented (maybe incorrectly) to stop the constant sit/fail routine a lot of pilots go through to hopefully snag one of them. They are hard, unfair and dont really test your true knowledge.
By the way another bit of bad news, all those sitting when the new "Cyber" Exams come into effect will not only be up for the CASA fee but another fee on top, implemented by the examining company (yet another outsource.) I have heard from a nice lady in the exam marking department
that the fee may be as high as $100/sitting. I hope its all wrong. Best of luck to everyone.
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I thought Flight planning was difficult. Going through the new plans became a study session in its self.
I have just nailed met and nav, great! Just missed out on Human Factors (obviously not of sound mind). It seems that the usual red tape is now making itself appear to the entrance of the exam buildings.
Oh well it just gives us more incentive to pass all exams first time around,
Good luck to everyone else.
I have just nailed met and nav, great! Just missed out on Human Factors (obviously not of sound mind). It seems that the usual red tape is now making itself appear to the entrance of the exam buildings.
Oh well it just gives us more incentive to pass all exams first time around,
Good luck to everyone else.
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Absolutely bloody disgraceful - just like the exams.Does it really cost CASA more to allow a candidate to sit the same topic twice?? Do pilots really go into an exam to WILLFULLY fail??
I believe that this really opens the way for the exploitation of candidates and the prospect of questions that are more double dutch and confusing than they are already in order to fleece candidates out of another $100. Completely and utterly obvious case of profiteering.
I believe that this really opens the way for the exploitation of candidates and the prospect of questions that are more double dutch and confusing than they are already in order to fleece candidates out of another $100. Completely and utterly obvious case of profiteering.
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just wondering....I have been planning on adding an instructor rating for some time now and was thinking of doing the CASA PPL/CPL/ATPL exams again as "revision" after going over my notes BUT suppose i foul one paper and dont finish...etc..and get 69% , will CASA cancel my licence or "withdraw my credits..etc..)
-ie-if i sat the CPL exam and flunked it , will they say "aha !! give back your CPL/ATPL rights ??"
anybody?
-ie-if i sat the CPL exam and flunked it , will they say "aha !! give back your CPL/ATPL rights ??"
anybody?
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Smash 8 Man, once passed an exam you cannot resit. I think it says that somewhere in the rules about exams. My mate did give it a go to improve his CPL mark, however CASA were right on to him and said that he'd already passed it and therefore was not allowed to resit.
And for all the guys who think it's tough these days, spare a thought for the blokes in the early 90's who had to pass the whole lot first go in one weeek!!!! And if you fail one subject you then had to resit & pass ALL exams!! Whilst not perfect the current system is better than what it was!!!
[ 13 December 2001: Message edited by: scud_runner ]
And for all the guys who think it's tough these days, spare a thought for the blokes in the early 90's who had to pass the whole lot first go in one weeek!!!! And if you fail one subject you then had to resit & pass ALL exams!! Whilst not perfect the current system is better than what it was!!!
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thanks for that , Im going through the cao/car/act/ now to see what it says exactly , because as you say "spare a thought for the '90s types who had to sit them all in one go.." unfortunatly I was one of those , got my CPL in 85 and SCPL exam credits but didnt convert to ATPL until the -8 course around mid 90's ,so much has changed in format/content now that i thought it might be wise to do another theory course and casa exam to get with the new program...so to speak , and for general knowledge and for personal interest and for revision...etc...etc..
thanks for that , Im going through the cao/car/act/ now to see what it says exactly , because as you say "spare a thought for the '90s types who had to sit them all in one go.." unfortunatly I was one of those , got my CPL in 85 and SCPL exam credits but didnt convert to ATPL until the -8 course around mid 90's ,so much has changed in format/content now that i thought it might be wise to do another theory course and casa exam to get with the new program...so to speak , and for general knowledge and for personal interest and for revision...etc...etc..
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Scud Runner,
I am not 100% correct, but I think you can sit the exams more than once (after passing, that is).
I understand that there is a very wello respected and very well known theory provider that sits the exams regularly to ensure his subject material is directed in the right directions, and to find any areas lacking in his notes.
And yes, I just finished my last exam. 70% for Systems. No brain matter wasted there !! Why try to get 72 % when 70 will do !!
Apache, the credits system will follow on to the cyber system if it ever gets up and running. Give them time, CASA have only been on this for the last couple of years.
I am not 100% correct, but I think you can sit the exams more than once (after passing, that is).
I understand that there is a very wello respected and very well known theory provider that sits the exams regularly to ensure his subject material is directed in the right directions, and to find any areas lacking in his notes.
And yes, I just finished my last exam. 70% for Systems. No brain matter wasted there !! Why try to get 72 % when 70 will do !!
Apache, the credits system will follow on to the cyber system if it ever gets up and running. Give them time, CASA have only been on this for the last couple of years.
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I may be wrong but the deal of having to sit all ATPL subjects and passing them or having to resit ALL of them again is still the story in Britan/Europe? If thats true, then knowing that wouldnt make me feel so bad about paying $100 to be able to resit one?
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All I can say is " ?*** you public servants"
You are all absolutely bloody useless and all work as slow as a black fella in central australia!!!!
Only getting my results in the mail today is just a bloody disgrace to this country!! How slow do you people at CASA work?? Or do you not know what that word means?? You probably all get more than 50K too!!!
Why can't we have a system like the US, where you get results straight away! Then if you FAIL just do again tomorrow!!!!!
I SAY AGAIN.....BLoody USELESS Public Servants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers 
You are all absolutely bloody useless and all work as slow as a black fella in central australia!!!!
Only getting my results in the mail today is just a bloody disgrace to this country!! How slow do you people at CASA work?? Or do you not know what that word means?? You probably all get more than 50K too!!!
Why can't we have a system like the US, where you get results straight away! Then if you FAIL just do again tomorrow!!!!!
I SAY AGAIN.....BLoody USELESS Public Servants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers
What about CASA's poor form in the Flight Planning exam by leaving out some of the required TAC distances and only issuing us with ERC High. In the end I got through OK using estimated distances, but it could have been rather off-putting and I dare say lead to some people failing.
Cheers,
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Cheers,
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With the JAR system, you have 18 months to pass all 14 exams. The clock starts from the first sitting. Also, you only get 4 goes at each subject and a total of six sittings.
A sitting is the 4 day period when you can "sit" for your exams.
If you don't get them all within the 18 months/sittings then you have to do the lot again + another course.
Charges.
718 pounds up front for all the exams.
37 quid per subject resit
20 quid per subject if you want to change a sitting date.
No idea what a remark is worth. I think about 50 quid.
A sitting is the 4 day period when you can "sit" for your exams.
If you don't get them all within the 18 months/sittings then you have to do the lot again + another course.
Charges.
718 pounds up front for all the exams.
37 quid per subject resit
20 quid per subject if you want to change a sitting date.
No idea what a remark is worth. I think about 50 quid.
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TL, they do that every bloody time. I write a complaint on the form provided but to what end?!? I think it says alot about the competency of the people setting the exam.
