Impulse To Crew Australian Airlines
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Impulse To Crew Australian Airlines
I have it on good authority that Impulse will be providing the crews for the the "Budget" Australian Airlines. It has been decided that the low cost operation will be the best way to avoid the strenghth of the QF unions.
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I have it on good authority that QF mainline crews will be crewing it.
If not enough mainline crews take the deal then it will be open to outsiders but you get a QF seniority number.
I've also heard that Garry Toomey will come on board soon too.
I also have it on good authority that cabin crew will be mostly foreign.
Whilst some or all or none of the above may be true, about the only thing that can be guaranteed is that NO decision has yet been finalised about who will crew OZ airlines.
Anyone saying otherwise is full of it and just wishfull thinking.
QF crews are pushing pretty hard and working with the company to see a successful resolution for both Aus, QF and QF pilots. I fail to see how Impulse pilots could get the training, route experience, and certification from CASA and still be a lower cost than seconded QF drivers who are trained on type, have flown to all the ports and for the most part, are already approved by CASA for that type of operation.
I have it on good authority that QF mainline crews will be crewing it.
If not enough mainline crews take the deal then it will be open to outsiders but you get a QF seniority number.
I've also heard that Garry Toomey will come on board soon too.
I also have it on good authority that cabin crew will be mostly foreign.
Whilst some or all or none of the above may be true, about the only thing that can be guaranteed is that NO decision has yet been finalised about who will crew OZ airlines.
Anyone saying otherwise is full of it and just wishfull thinking.
QF crews are pushing pretty hard and working with the company to see a successful resolution for both Aus, QF and QF pilots. I fail to see how Impulse pilots could get the training, route experience, and certification from CASA and still be a lower cost than seconded QF drivers who are trained on type, have flown to all the ports and for the most part, are already approved by CASA for that type of operation.
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Impulse have the wage structure and flexible rosters that Qantas dream of (quote:Geoff Dixon 7:30 report 11/12/01).If you believe management will go through a protracted negotiation with mainline crews to accept different work arrangements then i am afraid "your dreamin".It is much simpler to hand this on to your low cost operator.
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From what I've heard the crews have already been picked mostly ex ansett 767 drivers through a contract group that advertised about a month ago. They will be based in Cairns on 3 month renewable contracts.The ex ansett crews have already done a 5 week refresher course for the job. However I will say,I could have my facts wrong. 
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bgt et al, every other day when Tracey, monty and the rest report something to do with Aviation, law, commerce, automotive, and any other subject you can mention we take it with a huge grain of salt and sit back and wait to see what the real story is.
Why are we jumping on this one just because it was reported on the box and we happen to like what it has to say?
Loco, explain to me how you could get Aus set up cheaper than QF mainline could. Pilot training, route quals etc. Short answer, you can't.
Now that is said, tell me what your payrates are going to be. Agreed, you Impulse guys would be silly enough to accept far less than what other 767 drivers in Australia are getting paid in the mad rush to get off the 717. Additionally, based on a CNS basing going out and back to SE Asia, how you do you envisage that Impulse crews would be any more 'efficient' (apart from the base rate mentioned earlier) than QF mainline drivers- we already pretty much fly to the CAO limits.
So far all I've heard here is bluster and not one decent alternative.
I've given you the QF side of things. Some concessions to get and keep the thing going (and the negotiations aren't that hard when we are already meeting to discuss an EBA. I would suggest that they would be easier than starting Impulse from scratch!), and the rest is pretty much all in place.
Come on guys fess up, This is a rumour that just keeps going around and around and the more you here each other talk about it, the more it just HAS to be true!
I'm not saying that QF mainline is a certainty either, just that most if not all other options don't fit the 'low cost' of the introduction and ongoing committments.
[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
Why are we jumping on this one just because it was reported on the box and we happen to like what it has to say?
Loco, explain to me how you could get Aus set up cheaper than QF mainline could. Pilot training, route quals etc. Short answer, you can't.
Now that is said, tell me what your payrates are going to be. Agreed, you Impulse guys would be silly enough to accept far less than what other 767 drivers in Australia are getting paid in the mad rush to get off the 717. Additionally, based on a CNS basing going out and back to SE Asia, how you do you envisage that Impulse crews would be any more 'efficient' (apart from the base rate mentioned earlier) than QF mainline drivers- we already pretty much fly to the CAO limits.
So far all I've heard here is bluster and not one decent alternative.
I've given you the QF side of things. Some concessions to get and keep the thing going (and the negotiations aren't that hard when we are already meeting to discuss an EBA. I would suggest that they would be easier than starting Impulse from scratch!), and the rest is pretty much all in place.
Come on guys fess up, This is a rumour that just keeps going around and around and the more you here each other talk about it, the more it just HAS to be true!
I'm not saying that QF mainline is a certainty either, just that most if not all other options don't fit the 'low cost' of the introduction and ongoing committments.
[ 11 December 2001: Message edited by: Keg ]
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VMCA, there are six Captains and seven F/Os on contract to QF at the moment. They are or are about to fly the line as regular QF crew.
I'd be surprised if AWAS was giving 767 drivers refresher courses now for a CNS basing in September next year!!
I'd be surprised if AWAS was giving 767 drivers refresher courses now for a CNS basing in September next year!!
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Impulse is not short of type rated crew.As you well know they have a lot of '89ers and no shortage of available pilots on the market.Facilities for training are provided by the mother company,and it all comes at half the price.
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Will Impulse pilots crew AA after they get 6 new planes, after they run Southern out of Canberra etc etc etc.
Tell him he's dreaming!
PS - do Impulse staff get staff travel benefits with Qantas yet?
Tell him he's dreaming!
PS - do Impulse staff get staff travel benefits with Qantas yet?
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DJMB, I see where you are going with this.
Yes, Impulse will crew the 767s and then the A330 and A380 also (as they have type rated pilots and the experience).
But not before they get another 127 717s to replace the 737 and 767 on domestic services.
Brought a smile to my face on an otherwise 'normal' day!!
Yes, Impulse will crew the 767s and then the A330 and A380 also (as they have type rated pilots and the experience).
But not before they get another 127 717s to replace the 737 and 767 on domestic services.
Brought a smile to my face on an otherwise 'normal' day!!
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Hot off the press.
Impulse flight attendants will also be type rated on, and therefore, fly the 767.
They plan to have a TOTAL crew complement of 6.
5 will be in the cabin with the 6th person in the flight deck for take off and landing.
He/she will then go back and help in the cabin once the aircraft is above 10000' to provide just that little bit extra in cabin service.
Management believe that the standard of automation is such that there are no safety issues in this proposal.
The flight attendants will do an abbreviated conversion course concentrating on keeping hands and feet away from all the important knobs and levers which will be pre set by engineering prior to departure.
Cost savings are said to run into millions - no doubt management are keen to get this one under way ASAP.
When questioned about the possibilities of emergencies, Management in response say that they do not expect to run out of food or drink on any of the proposed services.
CASA has also endorsed the proposal, with the Minister for Transport saying that multi skilling is the way of the future.
When asked about competition from Ansett or Virgin, the minister said he wasn't aware that these companies even existed as he relied on Mr Dixon for unbiased aviation policy advice.
Advertisements for flight attendant / pilot positions will be placed in all major overseas newspapers this weekend.
Impulse flight attendants will also be type rated on, and therefore, fly the 767.
They plan to have a TOTAL crew complement of 6.
5 will be in the cabin with the 6th person in the flight deck for take off and landing.
He/she will then go back and help in the cabin once the aircraft is above 10000' to provide just that little bit extra in cabin service.
Management believe that the standard of automation is such that there are no safety issues in this proposal.
The flight attendants will do an abbreviated conversion course concentrating on keeping hands and feet away from all the important knobs and levers which will be pre set by engineering prior to departure.
Cost savings are said to run into millions - no doubt management are keen to get this one under way ASAP.
When questioned about the possibilities of emergencies, Management in response say that they do not expect to run out of food or drink on any of the proposed services.
CASA has also endorsed the proposal, with the Minister for Transport saying that multi skilling is the way of the future.
When asked about competition from Ansett or Virgin, the minister said he wasn't aware that these companies even existed as he relied on Mr Dixon for unbiased aviation policy advice.
Advertisements for flight attendant / pilot positions will be placed in all major overseas newspapers this weekend.
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Why not just crew 'em with chimpanzees for pilots and gibbons as flight attendants. I believe Taronga has a surplus of both at present! (The airline would also run better than with impulse crew!!)
For God's sake people. Keg is the only person here with any real facts. And that is that there aren't any yet.
And Loco's?? You just have no clue, do you mate? I'll be surprised if Nopulse are still around in a year, let alone crew this op.
For God's sake people. Keg is the only person here with any real facts. And that is that there aren't any yet.
And Loco's?? You just have no clue, do you mate? I'll be surprised if Nopulse are still around in a year, let alone crew this op.
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Keg and Proplever you 2 must be chummy mates of I'm with Stupid.
Finding it a little hard to sleep at night.
Keep posting your crap if it makes you feel better.
I am leaving the above as an illustration of my point. If you go have a look at the the posts on this thread all have either been tongue in cheek, fun, offered an opinion on the issue, suggested that it is all guesswork anyway, or, gently chided, with humour, an opposing view. That is the way we try to do it here. Capiche W
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Finding it a little hard to sleep at night.
Keep posting your crap if it makes you feel better.
I am leaving the above as an illustration of my point. If you go have a look at the the posts on this thread all have either been tongue in cheek, fun, offered an opinion on the issue, suggested that it is all guesswork anyway, or, gently chided, with humour, an opposing view. That is the way we try to do it here. Capiche W
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Well what is the 767 contract AWAS is working on at the moment?It is tentative(like the A320 project a few months ago for a large local airline that didn`t proceed) but there is something stirring.
May not be AA but you can guarantee QF is looking at all the options.
May not be AA but you can guarantee QF is looking at all the options.