CASA - Fatigue Management System
Thread Starter
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Gerehu NCD
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
CASA - Fatigue Management System
CAO 48 or a Fatigue Management System - this is the option available to all operators from 30 June 2002.
A NPRM was circulated to the Oz aviation industry a few years ago suggesting operators put in place their own Duty and Flight time limitations. It received an overwhelming NO.
CASA has now devised (under Parliamentary advice ??) that either an operator complies with CAO 48 (which may be law but is fatiguing) or design a system to manage fatigue in rosters and actual work practices.
So - going down that inevitable long winded route to design, seek approval, modify then implement this system I am interested in other individuals veiws on this issue.
I would be eager to get insight from pilot rep. councils as such a system will impact on conditions of service and staffing numbers.
Additionally, the costs associated with this 'system'(purchase, time dedicated to development) may be a wasted exercise if Fatigue Systems are not approved or revoked in the future as are/were past exemptions to CAO 48.
A NPRM was circulated to the Oz aviation industry a few years ago suggesting operators put in place their own Duty and Flight time limitations. It received an overwhelming NO.
CASA has now devised (under Parliamentary advice ??) that either an operator complies with CAO 48 (which may be law but is fatiguing) or design a system to manage fatigue in rosters and actual work practices.
So - going down that inevitable long winded route to design, seek approval, modify then implement this system I am interested in other individuals veiws on this issue.
I would be eager to get insight from pilot rep. councils as such a system will impact on conditions of service and staffing numbers.
Additionally, the costs associated with this 'system'(purchase, time dedicated to development) may be a wasted exercise if Fatigue Systems are not approved or revoked in the future as are/were past exemptions to CAO 48.
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Sunshine Coast
Age: 47
Posts: 68
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MEL,
I am currently in the process of designing a computer program that will work out the Flight and Duty time status of pilots automatically, following the input of the flights for the day. It will include an electronic logbook for individual users and an aircraft logbook for company users. If this would be of help, drop me a line to discuss your requirements. The time frame for the program is likely to be 3months from R&D to retail.
Regards, P-W
I am currently in the process of designing a computer program that will work out the Flight and Duty time status of pilots automatically, following the input of the flights for the day. It will include an electronic logbook for individual users and an aircraft logbook for company users. If this would be of help, drop me a line to discuss your requirements. The time frame for the program is likely to be 3months from R&D to retail.
Regards, P-W
Grandpa Aerotart
Mel,
I have recently recieved a renewal of our exemption to CAO48 but only 'till November 2001. After that I have been told it will revert to a 'standard' exemption(ours is a 'one off') unless I can come up with a Fatigue Management System! I have spoken to our FOI and he tells me only one company in OZ has bothered and it took months. 6 weeks course to learn how to do one and then 6 weeks to design it and gain approval from CASA. Well I won't be doing THAT!!!!
And the kicker? After mid 2002 unless you have the FMS in place it's back to CAO48!Which actually doesn't worry me as we hardly ever need more than that anyway.
Seems it all stems from FOIs handing out 'one off' exemptions and some chap in Canberra has said "WHAT, ENOUGH OF THAT!!!"
So I've just requested an 'Industry Standard' Exemption.
Brgds,
Chuck.
I have recently recieved a renewal of our exemption to CAO48 but only 'till November 2001. After that I have been told it will revert to a 'standard' exemption(ours is a 'one off') unless I can come up with a Fatigue Management System! I have spoken to our FOI and he tells me only one company in OZ has bothered and it took months. 6 weeks course to learn how to do one and then 6 weeks to design it and gain approval from CASA. Well I won't be doing THAT!!!!
And the kicker? After mid 2002 unless you have the FMS in place it's back to CAO48!Which actually doesn't worry me as we hardly ever need more than that anyway.
Seems it all stems from FOIs handing out 'one off' exemptions and some chap in Canberra has said "WHAT, ENOUGH OF THAT!!!"
So I've just requested an 'Industry Standard' Exemption.
Brgds,
Chuck.
Moderator
Silly me, when I read the title of the thread I thought maybe the poor folks at CASA were getting sleepy.
Must be tough working Monday right through to Friday, and only having weekends off.
Seriously though isn't this just another way for CASA to "rule by exemption"? I thought that the whole point of "re-writing the regulations" was to make the rules workable, so we didn't need exemptions to get the job done.
Must be tough working Monday right through to Friday, and only having weekends off.
Seriously though isn't this just another way for CASA to "rule by exemption"? I thought that the whole point of "re-writing the regulations" was to make the rules workable, so we didn't need exemptions to get the job done.
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Australia
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MEL
You have it partly right. CASA is actually cancelling CAO48 and from June 2002, all operators shall have their own FMS, no exceptions. They have been formulating a computer program that will be the only type an operator can get approved, and you will only be able to buy it from CASA. Anyone trying to get another program approved will have great trouble.
Sui Generis
You have it partly right. CASA is actually cancelling CAO48 and from June 2002, all operators shall have their own FMS, no exceptions. They have been formulating a computer program that will be the only type an operator can get approved, and you will only be able to buy it from CASA. Anyone trying to get another program approved will have great trouble.
Sui Generis
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 115
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The costs involved in producing the ‘Fatigue Management Program’ (FMP) are absolutely horrendous and well in excess of what most GA, charter or LCRPT operators are prepared to pay. I would say that when CASA requires the FMP then they will provide clear guidelines and produce templates that will make the job easier. Having said that...it's CASA and this could just be another way of putting people out of business.
Maybe a bunch of GA companies should form a syndicate and have a generic manual produced that satisfies everybody.
Related thread: Fatigue Management.
I think the only company to have an approved system in the country thus far is Pelair.
[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: Turbine ]
Maybe a bunch of GA companies should form a syndicate and have a generic manual produced that satisfies everybody.
Related thread: Fatigue Management.
I think the only company to have an approved system in the country thus far is Pelair.
[ 27 September 2001: Message edited by: Turbine ]
