Ozjet's final landing
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Once the OZ Jet dead wood and people complaining like you are gone it may well fly again ? We will see what the rejected parking police working at CASA want to do ? Stay tuned.
Oh, if you get paid out as a Creditor, do you think that there is any chance you might pay my,and my co-workers, entitlements?
It would be appreciated.
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Apoligize for the double post, but a little search found where HC has been since he posted with us:
http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/3...e-sky-inc.html
probably busy getting on with life.
http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/3...e-sky-inc.html
probably busy getting on with life.
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Half the people here don't know what their talking about, its not Nick's fault, its the management at OJ , who had no idea of their situational awareness.
We use to getaway with going nice big orbits around YSNF before doing our approach after beating the fuel burns and getting fat on the gas. The self loading freight thought it was great! LOL
We use to getaway with going nice big orbits around YSNF before doing our approach after beating the fuel burns and getting fat on the gas. The self loading freight thought it was great! LOL
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Spoilerfloat/Nick you are not making any sense, so I will translate for Ppruners not in the know. What has situationally unaware management got to do with fuel reserves and scenic flights at Norfolk? The two dills who went out there on different occasions, found they were a bit above max landing weight so did a lap of the Island to burn some gas. In your world a firm manager would have fired them for lack of creativity. Sent them packing and whining to CASA and the newspapers.
Astute pilots out in the middle of nowhere would probably prefer to keep the fuel and massage the books. Easily done in an old banger with iffy fuel gauges.
Nick, the buggers were all out to assault your wallet. It sent you broke. It consumes you.
Astute pilots out in the middle of nowhere would probably prefer to keep the fuel and massage the books. Easily done in an old banger with iffy fuel gauges.
Nick, the buggers were all out to assault your wallet. It sent you broke. It consumes you.
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I had some dealing's with NL quite some years back and I sure he said that his old man owned HL when it was in the UK( can't quite remember the full details). Can anybody confirm this.
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Mad if you don't vote. Whether other unsecured creditors will accept 5 cents in the dollar or just vote it to liquidation to piss a certain person off remains to be seen, so employee votes will probably decide which way it goes. The Administrator, who may end up with the deciding vote in a deadlock, could go either way.
If it does go to a Deed of Company Arrangement the interesting bit will be what future level of service the new owners would get from the same creditors, who will rightly feel that they were dudded by the old Ozjet.
For any new OzJet to rise again, some good guarantees and money up front will be needed. Money talks, bull**** walks.
If it does go to a Deed of Company Arrangement the interesting bit will be what future level of service the new owners would get from the same creditors, who will rightly feel that they were dudded by the old Ozjet.
For any new OzJet to rise again, some good guarantees and money up front will be needed. Money talks, bull**** walks.
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I'll be voting.........LIQUIDATE.
Just so tired of trusting uppper Management, at least if it is liquidated I will get paid out by GEERS and JUST maybe someone will investigate why the taxpayer had to fork out once again.
And uppper Management, thanks for the continual updates on the situation...NOT!!!!!
Just so tired of trusting uppper Management, at least if it is liquidated I will get paid out by GEERS and JUST maybe someone will investigate why the taxpayer had to fork out once again.
And uppper Management, thanks for the continual updates on the situation...NOT!!!!!
I noticed in todays Australian that Strategic are advertising for line pilots.
It is my understanding that none of the ex Ozjet pilots have been offered employment to date.
If the purchase of Ozjet does succeed, one can assume that none of the ex Ozjet pilots will be offered employment.
I have also been told that ex cabin crew will not be offered employment either.
If that is the case what is the value in giving a yes vote at the upcoming creditors meeting? Whether we vote YES or NO we will still receive our outstanding severance pay either from Strategic or through GEERS.
Seems like the only winners in this whole debacle are NL and Strategic.
A question for those more knowledgeable, even if Ozjet is sold does the administrator continue to see if it was trading insolvent? If not then I am swaying to the NO vote cos I don't want NL to get out of this mess without facing the music.
It is my understanding that none of the ex Ozjet pilots have been offered employment to date.
If the purchase of Ozjet does succeed, one can assume that none of the ex Ozjet pilots will be offered employment.
I have also been told that ex cabin crew will not be offered employment either.
If that is the case what is the value in giving a yes vote at the upcoming creditors meeting? Whether we vote YES or NO we will still receive our outstanding severance pay either from Strategic or through GEERS.
Seems like the only winners in this whole debacle are NL and Strategic.
A question for those more knowledgeable, even if Ozjet is sold does the administrator continue to see if it was trading insolvent? If not then I am swaying to the NO vote cos I don't want NL to get out of this mess without facing the music.
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Just wait and see, upper management will get jobs, but for the rest of the guys, go find another job.
If this mob can't look after the ones at the coal face why should I give them my vote and hand them the company, its AOC and the routes on a silver platter.
I'm voting a big "FAT NO" unless some sort of offer come along for the flightdeck/cabin crew and ops.
If this mob can't look after the ones at the coal face why should I give them my vote and hand them the company, its AOC and the routes on a silver platter.
I'm voting a big "FAT NO" unless some sort of offer come along for the flightdeck/cabin crew and ops.
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Airheadguy,
It it pointless to whip the troops up into a tiz over this. Strategic have advertised primarily for A320/330 quilified people because that is the backbone of their operation. Just wait and see. Be patient and see what comes out of this. Don't jump at shadows!
Why would you assume this? Not a good idea to start this sort of thing. What other information do you have that supports this contention? (PM if you like).
By who and for what reason? This just sounds like galley gossip Stratigic are not in a position to offer anyone employment at the moment-they dont even have any aeroplanes for people to crew.
It it pointless to whip the troops up into a tiz over this. Strategic have advertised primarily for A320/330 quilified people because that is the backbone of their operation. Just wait and see. Be patient and see what comes out of this. Don't jump at shadows!
If the purchase of Ozjet does succeed, one can assume that none of the ex Ozjet pilots will be offered employment.
I have also been told that ex cabin crew will not be offered employment either.
Stratigic are not in a position to offer anyone employment at the moment-they dont even have any aeroplanes for people to crew.
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Crew,
quite easy to see how these threads pick up momentum and start to spiral out of control.
The majority on the O7 company payroll were terminated around the 20th of last month with many being on enforced leave prior to that.
For quite some time rumours have abounded with talk of sales causing hope of re-employment (both in the short and in the long term) raising hope when employment prospects are low and bills are still to be paid
But it would, on the face of a recent advert, appear that those hopes may have been dashed.
So understandly some of that angst will spill and end up here, bearing in mind that the staff are creditors and have a LITTLE bit of a say in what will happen.
And you are a little wrong when you say that that Strategic is not in a position to offer employment, they actually advertised today in the Australian for crew.
Good luck to all.
quite easy to see how these threads pick up momentum and start to spiral out of control.
The majority on the O7 company payroll were terminated around the 20th of last month with many being on enforced leave prior to that.
For quite some time rumours have abounded with talk of sales causing hope of re-employment (both in the short and in the long term) raising hope when employment prospects are low and bills are still to be paid
But it would, on the face of a recent advert, appear that those hopes may have been dashed.
So understandly some of that angst will spill and end up here, bearing in mind that the staff are creditors and have a LITTLE bit of a say in what will happen.
And you are a little wrong when you say that that Strategic is not in a position to offer employment, they actually advertised today in the Australian for crew.
Good luck to all.
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Dunnza, the cost of getting those old bangers airworthy then ferrying them to the USA would exceed their value. They will be scrapped and the parts will end up in third world airplanes.
Tim Tam, not all upper management will get a gig at Strategic. Head of Ops has already been told that none of the postholders will be required as they have their own Airbus experts etc. and the manuals are already copied...err...written.
Crewrest and Dolequeue, while it was stupid and insensitive of Strategic to run that advert today, if Ozjet becomes their train set they will pick and choose who they keep on.
Tim Tam, not all upper management will get a gig at Strategic. Head of Ops has already been told that none of the postholders will be required as they have their own Airbus experts etc. and the manuals are already copied...err...written.
Crewrest and Dolequeue, while it was stupid and insensitive of Strategic to run that advert today, if Ozjet becomes their train set they will pick and choose who they keep on.
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Gas-Chamber
There are managers and management.
If the upper management took even one leaf out of the CURRENT Head of Ops management book, the crews would at least have an idea where they stand and maybe have moved on resigned to the fact.
Is interesting to see some long gone O7 UPPER management are the ones now trying to buy the company.
There are managers and management.
If the upper management took even one leaf out of the CURRENT Head of Ops management book, the crews would at least have an idea where they stand and maybe have moved on resigned to the fact.
Is interesting to see some long gone O7 UPPER management are the ones now trying to buy the company.
When starting a new airline or introducing a new type, CASA quite properly expects some instant expertise to be in place to do crew training etc.
However, Strategic has already advertised several times for Airbus and management pilots, so they must have an idea of who is available. Also, the advertisement claims their team to be 'outstanding' so they must have considerable seed expertise there already.
I agree with gas-chamber that advertising when they did was poor timing.
On the one hand they are trying to win displaced Boeing pilots' hearts and minds for a favourable creditors' vote; and on the other hand they send a message that Boeing pilots don't meet their criteria for hiring. Where is the quid pro quo in that?
If Strategic want this deal to get up, maybe they need to consider offering OzJet crews employment. Converting to an Airbus would be no big deal for any competent Boeing pilot or cabin crew. Thousands have already done it.
When managing aircrew, carrot and stick works. Carrot - Airbus training; employment contract. Stick - agreed wage freezes until the recession is over; productivity initiatives.
As for management - good management transcends aeroplane types.
However, Strategic has already advertised several times for Airbus and management pilots, so they must have an idea of who is available. Also, the advertisement claims their team to be 'outstanding' so they must have considerable seed expertise there already.
I agree with gas-chamber that advertising when they did was poor timing.
On the one hand they are trying to win displaced Boeing pilots' hearts and minds for a favourable creditors' vote; and on the other hand they send a message that Boeing pilots don't meet their criteria for hiring. Where is the quid pro quo in that?
If Strategic want this deal to get up, maybe they need to consider offering OzJet crews employment. Converting to an Airbus would be no big deal for any competent Boeing pilot or cabin crew. Thousands have already done it.
When managing aircrew, carrot and stick works. Carrot - Airbus training; employment contract. Stick - agreed wage freezes until the recession is over; productivity initiatives.
As for management - good management transcends aeroplane types.
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Stratigic have done a deal to buy OZ Jet and pay full staff entitlements on 26 June. Should the staff vote for the deed full payment ( including redund $ ) will be immediate and re hiring will start the following week . If the staff vote the deed down no payout or jobs for the staff and staff will have to wait many months for GEARS payments. 