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Old 30th Jan 2009, 04:31
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You guys have to get your heads outta the sand!

This is just a couple of quotes from a SMH article today;

The Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation's daily round up makes grim reading. Singapore Airlines is making further capacity reductions to India, Europe and the US. All Nippon Airways is cutting international capacity by 8% including the suspension of several routes to China and reducing frequency on others including Tokyo-Shanghai, Mumbai and Guangzhou.
Japan Airlines is suspending Osaka - Heathrow and reducing frequency on other routes (including Australia, see report here) while also starting to launch its lower cost JAL Express subsidiary on international routes.
And that's just today's edition, which also notes traffic falling at the two great hubs of Singapore and Dubai.
and...
A little further afield, Standard and Poors has British Airways on credit watch negative, meaning its just a step away from having its bonds cut to junk status.
Starting an airline now is suicidal. This is not whining...it is reality. What happens when the weather goes foul at destination? Can you find any sand at 35,000'?


Questions for Qantas as the airline industry hits turbulence, writes Michael Pascoe
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 04:49
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Vorsicht,

If you do some independent research on Sir Dick (rather than believe what he writes about himself), you may vary your opinion of his overall 'track record'.

It is true that he sold half of Virgin Records to start Virgin Atlantic, which struggled mightily until BA was publicly caught by their 'Dirty Tricks' campaign (which I think was the subject of an early book), whereupon it succeeded with the aid of public support for the underdog.

If you 'fast forward' to 2009 and look at the historical substance of his entrepreneurial efforts you will discover many, many, 'train wreck businesses', which must be under great strain in the current climate, including virgin trains, virgin finance, mobile, America, Europe, etc.. Of all these V branded enterprises, VB has been the standout success due entirely to the Ansett collapse 'gift' 6 years ago.

Don't forget that when Toll dumped their 62 percent VB shareholding, they effectively precipitated the current price 'slide' by signalling to the market that the stock was a 'dog' through their massive write down on the 2008 balance sheet.

Virgin Group in response to the share release, publicly announced they would not be increasing their shareholding. Draw your own conclusion on that one!!

As far as administrative 'lifeboats' are concerned, although businesses can be compartmentalised, 'mud sticks' and in the current climate the failure of VA would likely mortally wound DJ.

A loss of passenger confidence associated with 'sister airline' failures has historically resulted in most 'bookings' being switched to alternative carriers (outside the group) to be safe (as the current crop of travellers has seen this all before) and the associated loss of cash flow (within the remaining business), would then deliver the final blow!!
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 07:13
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If you build it....... they will come!!!!
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Old 30th Jan 2009, 08:16
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In the words of Beyonce "if you like it then you should've put a ring on it"
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 01:10
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Good things come to those who wait, once word of mouth spreads about how good V Australia is, compared to what QANTAS offers on the 744 routes especially in the main cabin.

Things in the pipeline :
  • Full codeshare with Delta, Virgin America and Virgin Atlantic.
  • Skyteam Alliance membership.
This will basically mean two SYD-LAX services a day for V Australia. (morning on DL & arvo on VA)
  • Same plane service JNB-LAX via PER & SYD, this gives PER originating pax same plane service PER-LAX with just a short stopover in SYD, with QF you have to go through the hassle of getting a bus from one terminal to the other at SYD.
  • Also PER-SYD domestic passengers will have access to B777 service.
More goodies coming soon
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 01:35
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If V Australia were to have....
* Full codeshare with Delta, Virgin America and Virgin Atlantic.
* Skyteam Alliance membership.
.... then why would Delta start flying here 4 months after V Aus start up. If they are collaborating together on the route then dumping capacity and competing with each other during a global financial crisis (flying to the heart of the crisis) seems like a foolish idea!
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 01:51
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DELTA and V Australia are not competing against each other, it's called co-operation, each airlines flights will be marketed with each airines code.

It's QF/AA they are aiming to annoy

Put simply, VA require at least 2 SYD-LAX a day, and DL is providing the other B777, which suits DL as they have excess capacity at the moment.
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 02:45
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Good things come to those who wait, once word of mouth spreads about how good V Australia is, compared to what QANTAS offers on the 744 routes especially in the main cabin.
Aren't V Aus going up against the A380 on the LAX route as more of the dugongs arrive?
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 04:51
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It will be a smaller cabin than the A380 though and I prefer to fly a Boeing over an Airbus. Just personal choice, I doubt most pax would even know!

Only bad thing about the product that I can see is:

* Turning off reading lights on night flights for the whole of Y section. (we are supposed to give the pax a usb reading light but don't carry enough for everyone.
* Purchasing alcohol (ok you get 1 alcoholic drink free) in Y is going to be difficult to manage .
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 11:04
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Aren't V Aus going up against the A380 on the LAX route as more of the dugongs arrive?
And your point is??????
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 11:17
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V Australia B773ER Walkthrough

Computer Generated walk through of all 3 Cabins
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 11:59
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And my point was.....reference the post by 7378FE. That V Aus is not up against the QF 744 alone now that the A380 is also on the scene in LAX.
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WTF??? Paying for more than 1 drink on an international flight?? Whose brainchild is that one?
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 21:03
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Things in the pipeline :
  • Full codeshare with Delta, Virgin America and Virgin Atlantic.
  • Skyteam Alliance membership.
Are you sure about this?

They have just partnered with Alsaka Airlines for some flights (Seattle) and on United's website you can now enter your Velocity FF number to earn points on UA metal. (obviously gone live before an announcement - do a dummy booking and you'll see what I mean.


So that to me looks like there will be NO deal with DELTA.... the Northwest deal was only interlining anyway, not FF.

With the announcement of DL on the route UA have obviously decided to expand the relationship with VA before VA jumped ship to DL.

Same plane service JNB-LAX via PER & SYD, this gives PER originating pax same plane service PER-LAX with just a short stopover in SYD, with QF you have to go through the hassle of getting a bus from one terminal to the other at SYD.
How much demand is there really from LAX-JNB?

I would have thought a PER-AKL-LAX route would have been more viable giving them PER-AKL and AKL-LAX traffic as well as PER-LAX


DELTA and V Australia are not competing against each other, it's called co-operation, each airlines flights will be marketed with each airines code.
As I posted above, why would VA be partnering with UA for their FF program and still partner with DL? I think the DL deal is dead in the water....
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 21:16
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Same plane service JNB-LAX via PER & SYD,
Got a map? The fastest way LAX-JNB is NOT via Australia with two stops!!
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 22:43
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Maybe JNB-LAX via Aus isn't the quickest, but with a bit of clever marketing (Stopovers in Australia) and competitive fares, it could attract a few punters to this route.

It won't be a single flight number operation, but it will be a same plane service.

The idea is not to fill a B777 with JNB-LAX pax, you would fill the plane with :
JNB-PER
JNB-SYD
PER-SYD
PER-LAX
SYD-LAX
any pax travelling thru from JNB to LAX with or without a stopover in Aus is the icing on the cake.

Gotta think outside the square, unless you're involved with QANTAS
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 22:56
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Gosh, how on earth are they going to keep tabs on 1free drink per pax? That'd be a nightmare, imagine family of 4travelling 2children 2 parents. "See as they're too young to drink I'll have theirs".... sounds cheap to me. What's the dealio with no reading lights?
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 23:15
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Chr!stalmighty 7378FE!

You don't work for the VA PR machine do you?

Whilst I acknowledge your enthusiasm, I don't think Shane Warne could put as much spin on this thing as you have!
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Old 31st Jan 2009, 23:36
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No i don't work for Virgin PR, but i am a part of it
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Old 1st Feb 2009, 03:34
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Gotta think outside the square, unless you're involved with QANTAS
I suspect that you are falling into the trap of underestimating your opposition. Just because they are your main competitor doesn't make them stupid. I'm sure that QF will be very competitive and VA will have to work for every pax that they get - unless the Federal Gov'mint leans on them as they did in the post 11Sep01/AN collapse era when they were forced to give DJ 30% domestic market share.
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