Qantas looking overseas for workers (SMH)
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And now for the stupid question:
Is this new company, which has current QF management as directors, actually a part of Qantas or a totally separate operation which means that current management will be awarding contracts to themselves??
The words "conflict of interest" spring to mind for no imaginable reason!
Is this new company, which has current QF management as directors, actually a part of Qantas or a totally separate operation which means that current management will be awarding contracts to themselves??
The words "conflict of interest" spring to mind for no imaginable reason!
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No wonder the @rse has fallen out of employee's morale over the last few years and performance and resulting customer satisfaction has gone.
Is this the attempt to bring in 'sweatshop labour'?
And if the cabin crew recruits haven't already got jobs with other western airlines, are they going to speak English as a 2nd language? 3rd? That'll work well in a noisy cabin...
After some shocking experiences flying as pax with Qantas about 5 years ago, I haven't flown with them since and can't see a time when I ever would again.
It's been said before - QF is turning into a budget airline for which you pay premium prices. I can only imagine the disappointment of all the employees who built Qantas's reputation over the past decades....
Is this the attempt to bring in 'sweatshop labour'?
And if the cabin crew recruits haven't already got jobs with other western airlines, are they going to speak English as a 2nd language? 3rd? That'll work well in a noisy cabin...
After some shocking experiences flying as pax with Qantas about 5 years ago, I haven't flown with them since and can't see a time when I ever would again.
It's been said before - QF is turning into a budget airline for which you pay premium prices. I can only imagine the disappointment of all the employees who built Qantas's reputation over the past decades....
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Unfortunately......
Nobody Cares.
It would seem that Dixon has spent a great deal of time and energy emotionally "Disconnecting" the Australian population from Qantas.
Criticism of QF 20 years ago was non existent.As has been said Qantas was held in great affection and esteem by the population ...much like your favourite maiden aunt.By treating all and sundry with contempt Dixon has destroyed that relationship forever to the point where no one is surprised by Qantas' stupidity and arrogance.Qantas now has a particularly disingenuos attitude towards Australians and the Australian workforce.
Many young Australians had high hopes of working for Qantas as Engineers,pilots,cabin crew or groundstaff...not any more.They are either deprived of the opportunity,by employment opportunities being sent off shore,or they realize that employment with QF is toxic.
It would seem that Dixon has spent a great deal of time and energy emotionally "Disconnecting" the Australian population from Qantas.
Criticism of QF 20 years ago was non existent.As has been said Qantas was held in great affection and esteem by the population ...much like your favourite maiden aunt.By treating all and sundry with contempt Dixon has destroyed that relationship forever to the point where no one is surprised by Qantas' stupidity and arrogance.Qantas now has a particularly disingenuos attitude towards Australians and the Australian workforce.
Many young Australians had high hopes of working for Qantas as Engineers,pilots,cabin crew or groundstaff...not any more.They are either deprived of the opportunity,by employment opportunities being sent off shore,or they realize that employment with QF is toxic.
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I don't agree...
If you think about it the entire Peter Allen song "I still call Australia home' is angled at Australians sentimentality.
To anyone else it wouldn't have the same meaning but they are playing to Australians who are or will be away from home....
Then in the same breath they threaten to employ overseas staff.
If you think about it the entire Peter Allen song "I still call Australia home' is angled at Australians sentimentality.
To anyone else it wouldn't have the same meaning but they are playing to Australians who are or will be away from home....
Then in the same breath they threaten to employ overseas staff.
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I don't agree either surfside.
This "aussie icon" rubbish that Q.F markets so very well goes straight down the throat of the average aussie ,who remains totally and blissfully ignorant of the machinations of Q.F management - unless they manage to actually read the business pages once they have finished the sport and cartoons.
Fact remains is that Q.F is still viewed as a huge employer of Aussies and proudly Australian.
You overestimate their intelligence.
This "aussie icon" rubbish that Q.F markets so very well goes straight down the throat of the average aussie ,who remains totally and blissfully ignorant of the machinations of Q.F management - unless they manage to actually read the business pages once they have finished the sport and cartoons.
Fact remains is that Q.F is still viewed as a huge employer of Aussies and proudly Australian.
You overestimate their intelligence.
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Errr.... Priapism..
I was talking about the angle QF are trying to achieve not whether Australians swallow it or not....
My point is that the company is hypocritical and whether the public believes them is another matter....
I was talking about the angle QF are trying to achieve not whether Australians swallow it or not....
My point is that the company is hypocritical and whether the public believes them is another matter....
You call him arrogant but he is just doing his job.
If your union were making forthright demands, I'm sure you wouldn't be screaming "arrogant" and asking "just who do they think they are?". You would just be saying "that is our union - they are just trying to look after their members".
So, why can't you accept that "that is Dixon - just trying to look after his shareholders".
Has it occurred to any Qantas employees on this thread that what is good for Qantas tends to be good for them?
Similarly, what is "good" for the employee is not necessarily good for Qantas - so will most probably turn out bad for the employee.
If your union were making forthright demands, I'm sure you wouldn't be screaming "arrogant" and asking "just who do they think they are?". You would just be saying "that is our union - they are just trying to look after their members".
So, why can't you accept that "that is Dixon - just trying to look after his shareholders".
Has it occurred to any Qantas employees on this thread that what is good for Qantas tends to be good for them?
Similarly, what is "good" for the employee is not necessarily good for Qantas - so will most probably turn out bad for the employee.
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You call him arrogant but he is just doing his job.
If your union were making forthright demands, I'm sure you wouldn't be screaming "arrogant" and asking "just who do they think they are?". You would just be saying "that is our union - they are just trying to look after their members".
So, why can't you accept that "that is Dixon - just trying to look after his shareholders".
Has it occurred to any Qantas employees on this thread that what is good for Qantas tends to be good for them?
Similarly, what is "good" for the employee is not necessarily good for Qantas - so will most probably turn out bad for the employee.
If your union were making forthright demands, I'm sure you wouldn't be screaming "arrogant" and asking "just who do they think they are?". You would just be saying "that is our union - they are just trying to look after their members".
So, why can't you accept that "that is Dixon - just trying to look after his shareholders".
Has it occurred to any Qantas employees on this thread that what is good for Qantas tends to be good for them?
Similarly, what is "good" for the employee is not necessarily good for Qantas - so will most probably turn out bad for the employee.
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Loyal QF flyers
Living in NZ and often talking to Australians who visit for work or leisure (and have no interest in aviation), Australians are surprisingly inclined to fly QF (and even Jetstar), even if it involves paying a noticeable premium over NZ where both are flying narrowbodies on the relevant Tasman routes, and the NZ A320 is far newer and can do the route slightly quickly than the Jetconnect 733. I can understand for some with QF lounge access, but for the infrequent travellers their is strong sense of using QF as the default carrier even when they do not have any solid explanation for the decision.
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he's back.....
Ahh aircraft... you just keep spinning the ****e and enjoy the last days of the government as come Saturday you will be as relevant as them. Obviously mate you have never held a leadership position in your life, and no manager at the local Blockbuster doesn't count. Why don't you do some research on a little airline called Air New Zealand and the leadership styles of CEO's Norris and Fyfe (link below). Do the whole thread a favour champion and just retire into your self interested liberal pork barreling wankers club.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-23349,00.html
silvafox,
Thanks for the link. I was already aware of these developments at Air New Zealand and have been expecting somebody to bring this up.
An interesting experiment - being watched closely, I'm sure, by not just other airlines, but a large slice of the service industry.
I believe this is not the first time this particular experiment has been conducted. Perhaps someone can enlighten us.
Thanks for the link. I was already aware of these developments at Air New Zealand and have been expecting somebody to bring this up.
An interesting experiment - being watched closely, I'm sure, by not just other airlines, but a large slice of the service industry.
I believe this is not the first time this particular experiment has been conducted. Perhaps someone can enlighten us.
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Its always been around..
Aircraft, this has been used for the past thousand years and is not a new and outstanding theory. Any good leader worth their salt firstly get their staff, followers or whatever you want to call them onside and then the results flow. Treat them like the valuable assets they are and they will display loyalty like nothing else. Alexander the Great, Sun Tzu, Jesus Christ, Napoleon are all just some of the examples of this. No goal is insurmountable when you have your 'subjects, soldiers or staff' with you. The good leader not only recognises this but acts on it. With power comes great responsibility.. not to abuse it. Qantas staff deserve a leader that recognises the challenges they face at the 'sharp end' each day and will act on them. To quote a letter to the editor in todays SMH, "we want to live in a community, not an economy". Profits to the big end of town do nothing to encourage a sense of belonging to a community where the rich get richer and the gap between the have and have nots gets larger.
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you are absolutly right
silvafox, this management practise has been around for a very long time. incidently, aircraft, this engagement comes from the hospitality industry.
it gives the engaged managers an insight as to the challenges on the day, whatever department it may be. not that GD would be interested in it.
it gives the engaged managers an insight as to the challenges on the day, whatever department it may be. not that GD would be interested in it.
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I find it not only sad but an indictment on Australian management that someone would think that working with your employee's is an experiment!!!!!
If anyone has been watching the TV series On James Cook you will see this as another example of not only a great explorer but a great leader.
Cook had the admiration and respect of his men because of his actions.
His idea on preventing scurvy was brilliant not only for it's concept but it's execution.
The men did not want to eat it so he made sure that all officers and himself ate the pickled cabbage.
This example set By Cook was symptomatic of his leadership style.He knew his success depended on the health of his men.
It is evident that todays corporate leadership is less innovative than Cooks pickled cabbage....
If anyone has been watching the TV series On James Cook you will see this as another example of not only a great explorer but a great leader.
Cook had the admiration and respect of his men because of his actions.
His idea on preventing scurvy was brilliant not only for it's concept but it's execution.
The men did not want to eat it so he made sure that all officers and himself ate the pickled cabbage.
This example set By Cook was symptomatic of his leadership style.He knew his success depended on the health of his men.
It is evident that todays corporate leadership is less innovative than Cooks pickled cabbage....
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AIRCRAFT, me old mate,
speaking of leadership, or yawning lack of it at QF for example,
ever heard of Shackleton?
He intended to lead the first expedition to complete a land crossing of the South Pole. However, when his ship Endurance became trapped in the ice floe, its sinking became inevitable and the crew were forced to begin
life on the ice.
Against seemingly hopeless odds, with almost no food or fuel, Shackleton managed to keep his 27 man crew alive for two terrifying years. He is acknowledged now as one of the great leaders of all time.
Two Years, 'aircraft'. And how did he do this?
The Australian article:
He led by example. Thats how. He kept the crew alive. Pulling together, they survived.
It is not an experiment.
You dork.
speaking of leadership, or yawning lack of it at QF for example,
ever heard of Shackleton?
He intended to lead the first expedition to complete a land crossing of the South Pole. However, when his ship Endurance became trapped in the ice floe, its sinking became inevitable and the crew were forced to begin
life on the ice.
Against seemingly hopeless odds, with almost no food or fuel, Shackleton managed to keep his 27 man crew alive for two terrifying years. He is acknowledged now as one of the great leaders of all time.
Two Years, 'aircraft'. And how did he do this?
The Australian article:
Possibly the greatest challenges for airline management today is to convince staff of the need for change - made far more difficult when management itself is not prepared to lead by example.
It is not an experiment.
You dork.
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