Talking to a Yank at a lunch last year, he told me that he worked in Seattle. "Boeing?", I asked. "No, Microsoft", he replied. "Well, I guess that explains your beard", I commented. "What do you mean?", he queried. "I mean that you don't have to look yourself in the face in your mirror every morning. All bloody Microsoft have done in the last couple of years is to get rid of popular applications and Office tools and foist the wretchedness of Windows 8, 8.1 and now Windows 10 on your loyal customers. PLEASE JUST LEAVE US ALONE!!"

Awwwww . . . I hate seeing men with beards cry.


Tonight I fired up the HP mentioned in my new thread and noticed it had got the Windows 10 white window (in the taskbar bit at the right I can never remember the name of) If they'd call it the Annunciator Box I'd get it every time.

Anyway, I ran Steve Gibson's program again and his screen turned green okay. However, it took a reboot before the Windows thing disappeared.

It'll be interesting to see if I get a single Windows upgrade (1 of 1) like the Vaio.

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Just (successfully) reinstalled W7 as per the Microsoft "promise" - no doubt W10 is still lurking somewhere... Only noticeable issue was having to reconnect to my wifi ...

I had been crossing off the upgrade but a few days ago it started to upgrade without my sayso, admittedly after it had warned me with an intermittent countdown. I pulled the plug on it, literally, and I started it again on W7 and is has not tried it again.

I tried and it cleared the flag after a restart.

I feel that my W7 is now running a lot faster without 9 gigs of W10 lurking in the background.

Mmm . . . I'm sweating on the Rivetess' HP and its post-Steve Gibson update.

It's been running for hours whereas my Vaio 1 of 1 took a moment or two, though it has to be said this HP has not been updated since before Christmas.

I've had this before in the past and just scrapped it. The next try lasted minutes. However, I'm wondering if they're looking into any computer that runs Never 10. Yep, still paranoid. :\


Just a thought. This update was invited from the taskbar icon. Also, it seems to be installing as it goes - I'm running Task manager and looking at CPU DISK and NETWORK. Actual download files are not that great and the busy part is the CPU. I've probably seen explorer.exe go past a dozen times, and that's when I happen to be looking.

I could have downloaded the entire OS in much less time.


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It finished at 19:30!!!! Says I'm up to date. Well, it should be - it took all day.

However, all is not as it should be. :uhoh:


First thing. Ccleaner 64bit new install, doesn't work. Remind you of anything? This is W7, but could MS really want to kill Ccleaner or is it coincidence?

Second. FF Bookmarks are all akilter. Totally not where I left them.

It'll take some time to see if it's a working proposition.

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Relevance of these posts is that it all happened after "Never 10". May be no connection at all.



EDIT Mistake corrected above. It was Ccleaner and not FF that I suspected MS of sabotaging. In a way they did, because when Ccleaner finally working it took half an hour to clean 3.5 Gb of stuff - which I suppose is why the Run Cleaner button was greyed out for so long.

I have no idea what MS are playing at.

The 3,5 GBs: was it before or after you had run the OS standard Disk Clean with adminitstrator priviledges, removing all backups?

(Gulp) I kind of rely on Ccleaner for everything. It's worked well, but that was before this self imposed era of learning.

What I don't know is if Windows (7) had finished with all the stuff I zapped, cos this morning it has presented me with another 50Mb update. I'm going with the flow and letting it happen, but whatever it does, it seems to do it very slowly. Nowhere does it show progress. Well, 0 and 0 complete. Suddenly it did show Complete. Oh, yesterday it was ONE update - 7 hours of it.

This time, I'll give it a while to settle down and then do what you suggest/hint at, before Ccleaner.

Pity. Late last night it was running really well. I almost loaded Office - which I don't want to do until I've got stable foundations.

It's plain I'll never catch up. There's too much to know these days and on an hourly basis I'm being flummoxed. Only being an old bloke with too much time on my hands allows this messing about, though I am supposed to be writing a sequel to my book.

It's rather simple. CCleaner used ==>> OS damaged beyond repair. Reinstall if it is stable foundation you want.

Not always, but about 75% cases it's like that. What are the odds, that you are the lucky 1 out od four :E

One is hauling furniture most of the day, but what are you saying? Ccleaner in this one specific scenario or not a safe product generally?

The darn thing is still downloading, so I guess I somehow undid all the download of yesterday. But again, I could reload from 'new' but unfortunately I'd have to use the copy of the upgrade from Vista, which is quite old. It has to have the key that came with that purchase and I'm never sure it's going to be okay with all that MS is doing these days. Last time was only a month ago, and it's authenticated and the SP1 download all done. However, I find it so odd that all that could be done in far less time than the 'upgrade' that's happening now.

None of these things used to happen.

Bewilderingly, it again spent several hours doing one file. 0 out of 0 showing until it said reboot.

Almost right away, it invited me to download updates. Aaaaaaagh!

Again, the relevance to this thread. Is this bizarre behaviour due to running Never 10? It seems like some grotesque punishment for my disobedience.:ooh:

I started the third update procedure. But this time a ray of hope. A normal green barometer and reported progress. Soon it was done and unlike last time, seems to be functioning at a reasonable speed.

Can I ask, all this detritus that's left behind - is it, A/ Normal and B/Is one expected to clean it up or would the system have done so had I not been so quick with Ccleaner?

I'm not going to do anything with it until I know more technical details.

Ccleaner. Has opinion changed about this utility? I do stress I only use it for unwanted things - mostly .tmp files and profiles. I don't know enough to let it get to the registry. It also has a very good duplicates sort.

We are not alone .....

https://www.facebook.com/topic/Windo...89189664555270

Bloat, and more bloat. For years people have wanted to start with a lean OS and add what they want.

Back to work for a while.

So far I have managed to thwart attempts to upgrade my Windows 7. However, this morning I keep getting windows that tell me to restart my computer to complete updates. So far I have restarted my computer twice and it is now asking me to do it again.

Is this another more subtle way of driving me into the W10 fold?

I went through that exercise with my two W7 machines earlier in the week. Never10 has been invoked on them both in addition to earlier management changes designed to keep the systems free from changes which I don't want - and offer nothing but potential trouble.

However I'm nervous. I don't trust them (M'$oft) at all; I really don't.

FOR

To quote me.:ooh:


I'm wondering what's going on as I'm now installing 'Net Framework 4 6 1.'

Yes, I gave it permission to press on with this download, just to see where this is all going. Remember, the Rivetess' answer was to turn off updates despite my protests, and her computer wasn't used since before Christmas. But, the download time has been about what I'd expect to write the code, not just send it to me.:*

Anyway, I'll continue to play this game until a big face comes on the screen and tells me Steve Gibson is on the naughty cushion - and I'm on W10 . . . with no drivers.

MS are getting even more desperate:

And for those who are unhappy about installing GWX Control Panel, you don't have to. The standalone version can be found here:

Run it from a pendrive if you want, hence there's no need to have it on your PC, and no chance that MS will try and delete it. It's regularly updated, so check for the latest version and re-run it to be sure.

So, I'm now sitting here trying to figure out how to prevent a work laptop from installing Windows 10, since some of the software doesn't work on any OS past Windows 7.

Anyone know who at Microsoft I can charge my time to?

I haven't had any problems at all since running Steve Gibson's never 10. My W7 pro is as smooth as silk.

So, I'm not feeling the same persecution complex anymore. And he's a professional.

Posted by one daglesj on the How To Geek site. My bold.

I would d/l from the author site.

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

And it does not install, meaning shortcuts create, folders created, registry modified. It just runs.

It does work. Plus it can delete the gigabyte temp folder created for the Win 10 install files.

Mmm . . . at some stage, just out of curiosity, I ran Never 10 again. I wish I'd done it after the first day's download.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but can I run Never 10 after the dreaded 'update'?

Well, never say never.:p

When you eat strong cheese late at night...

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net...c9&oe=580C452E

I'm waiting for the update Msg to appear on my ancient Oric (The stuff of nightmares ) - Ricardian.

I'd have been quite pleased to see it on my Specky.

Looks like the lawsuits have begun:

https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/27/...ws-10-upgrade/

Since she won the case, hopefully some class-action lawyers are sharpening their pencils right now.

I just want to take a minute to thank IBM Junkman for the link to the never ten site.

I turned on my laptop and found it was going to update in 13 minutes, but I could postpone it as long as 8 hours.

The site blocked the install and then proceeded to remove over 5 billion bytes of windows 10 files in 12,000+ files and folders.

Thanks!!!

Win10 free upgrade ends in less than 1 month. If you have upgraded, but need to re-hash your OS, unlucky, you'll have to pay.

My PC auto-upgraded a while back, but as I have my HDD partitioned (so only the OS is on one partition Q: (deliberately not C; for security attack reasons), Docs on one, Audio on another, Video on another, WIP on another, etc, etc
If I need to reload the OS, I'll use my Win7 Disc and revert to Win7.

Win10 has only caused me problems - only 1 monitor working (think I can fix this, it was reported as a virus?!?!?, but Norton found nothing), no bi-directional with printer (not yet tried 2 scanners or scanner/printer, no future support from Canon, Thanks!!!).
When I finally get p1$$£d off with it, I'll go back to Win7.

Laptop, still on XP, but will only ever let that go as far as Win7 (if able!!!, Vista capable, but never took it up).




Google for a woman in USA who got £7500 ($10000) in Compo from MS as they left her PC dawdling at sub-Baud9600 levels of performance, affecting her business, WITHOUT CONSENT!!!!

I've recently bought a new lappie for my bruvver, who is even less technically competent than I am.
It came with Win 10 pre-installed.
I have to say that my experience of it was all fine. Much better than win 8. It gives choices about how you see and use the screen. It loaded all my software choices quickly and easily. (Spybot, jetclean, ccleaner, malwarebytes, Office 2007, FF + adblocker etc etc.)
Lappie is a mid range i3, 2 core but allegedly 4 threads. Whatever a thread is.
Not as quick as my 4 core 5 year old i5, but quite OK for home use.

So I am thinking of trying win 10 on my home pc. Need to think before the end of the month.....

AO, try to get off Office 2007 as it will soon be unsupported.

There is a complete update roll-up for Win7 which might be useful: Microsoft Update Catalog (requires IE)

More details:
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/...ows-7-and-8-1/

AO: if you have a good combination of time capacity and skill, I suggest you give it a try. AFTER full 1:1 backup = mirror copy of your existing harddrive --> so that you can come back any time you wish just by dumping the old disk image into place.

One reason only: during the upgrade MS will authorize/register your MoBo as W10 licenced, and thus anytime later you could do W10 for free. And who knows, maybe it will work for you ok the first time around? It did to a large number of people ...

Good luck either way. :ok: In general, mirror copy of HDD is not actually a bad idea irrespective whether one chooses to try the upgrade or not.

Boogle,
thanks for the reminder about Office. 2010 is busy installing itself as I type. On my Win 7, all is up to date, so I'll leave it alone given my ability to screw up my pc.

Flightdetent, I think I will try that some time this month. I have the space on my back up drive to put yet another copy of the whole set up on there. Some more googling required first.
Thanks
AO

Blast!!
I've used my 2010 license on too many pcs. I thought I had 5 uses, and I thought I'd used 4. That implementation for my bruvver was my last one. Rats.

I only want outlook and word. Maybe I should try these "free" things out there..........

If you are properly licenced for 5 and the you are no longer using some of them (reinstalled units), call MS and explain. They are normally quite helpful and will release the key for another authorized use.

You dont even need to explain, eventually you will need to phone in , you will get a human who will give you a new activation key.