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Wonder if anyone can help ? (I have asked admin). As I write, now can't use bold/italics or ANY of the WYSIWYG tools that worked for me before. Even carriage return in my original (this line) gets lost when I post. Don't use smilies, but I bet they wouldn't work either. I've changed nothing here (XP, FF1.5) and I always (used to) have a bit of pride in my layout!

The loss of CR is known and a 'feature' which is not going to change. 'Best' solution is to preview and then re-insert CRs before hitting 'post'.

"Have you tried using Internet Explorer? "

You're joking right? You can't have a site that is browser specific!:yuk:


"The loss of CR is known and a 'feature' which is not going to change."

You can't be serious! This is not a "feature" but a bug, and damned annnoying one at that.:*

[Edited to insert <CR>s]

:) To quote from Danny (with his assumed permission, of course:) )

"In some browsers it appears that using the preview reply or possibly even when editing a post the function strips the carriage returns. Nothing we can do about it as it is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript."

Mac - NB the apostrophes around 'feature' :)

BTW, Mike, what were you trying to do with CR that didn't work?

Using the WYSIWYG eidtor I do not seem to have the CR drop on preview, but only on edit.

just a test to see what you guys are talking about ....:confused:
now lets see the preview ....:cool:
seems ok ....
is it just that I'm using internet explorer ......
Yep .... works fine for me ...:)
oh cripes .... :ugh: .... I loose the CR after preview too ... :{

"...is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript."

Then the script needs changing.

Mike I must be even older because I thought that was called the "platen"

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be stroppy, but "...is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript." as something immutable just can't be.

A .js script is a .js script, not a mysterious black box that can't be fixed.
If the .js is stripping out <CR> then it's been told to do it, advertently or inadvertently, and needs to be fixed.

The days when webapps would rudely assume thaat everyone worth considering must be running Mr. Gates (now very obsolete) browser are surely long gone.

Even if different browsers do interpret js differently (odd, because most people are using the Sun JRE, since MS has now dropped it's "innovative" [and nonstandard] JRE) then including a browsercheck is trivial.

// BrowserCheck Object
// provides most commonly needed browser checking variables
// 19990326

// Copyright (C) 1999 Dan Steinman
// Distributed under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License
// Available at http://www.dansteinman.com/dynapi/

function BrowserCheck() {
var b = navigator.appName
if (b=="Netscape") this.b = "ns"
else if (b=="Microsoft Internet Explorer") this.b = "ie"
else this.b = b
this.v = parseInt(navigator.appVersion)
this.ns = (this.b=="ns" && this.v>=4)
this.ns4 = (this.b=="ns" && this.v==4)
this.ns5 = (this.b=="ns" && this.v==5)
this.ie = (this.b=="ie" && this.v>=4)
this.ie4 = (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 4')>0)
this.ie5 = (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5')>0)
if (this.ie5) this.v = 5
this.min = (this.ns||this.ie)
}

// automatically create the "is" object
is = new BrowserCheck()

Sorry, but it won't wash...

I think this must be an introduced bug in this version of vBulletin, because vBulletin 3.5.0 (which I use on another site) doesn't have this problem with the same browser that I use so problematically for PPRuNe.

Mind you, that other site has servers that cannot cope with the load, unlike PPRuNe which remains pretty fast despite the much bigger pages being delivered, so I'm not going to complain too much.

And I use another site that runs "vBulletin Version 3.5.1" and it works perfectly with IE .... :rolleyes:
I thought the layout was familiar .... :p

Using IE and the PPRuNe 'Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG Editing', CRs all seem to work correctly for me, in preview, edit and post.

If I use either the Basic or Standard 'Message Editor Interface' (User CP/Edit Options), then the CRs do disappear.

Thanks for the replies so far, folks. I have tried all the options, including 'enhanced interface' - no change. It was all working for me but can't say when it went pearshaped, except last few days.
I love pprune, but if it's a case of having to use IE instead of Firefox......

Footnote: I see in posting options that HTML is OFF - would this have owt to do with it? Raised this with admin to no avail.

This post using Firefox and 'Enhanced'

CRs still OK! :confused:


(Edited to add HTML code is also Off)

ok Mike I'll accept your but I'll raise you thethat the paper would rotate not one line, but as many lines (or partial lines) as was selected on the "paper roll up selection control" :E

Sorry guys and girls - just the messenger - please don't shoot! I'll make sure the 'gurus' get the message.

Frostie I was involved in the asking there, and the message from Danny is 'its off, ok?' - OK - maybe a little more CRM than that..................:)

Nothing to do with the HTML option. The 3.5.0 board that I visit has HTML switched off, too, but works fine.

Ok, contrary to popular belief, this isn't a feature we're keeping or considering.
It's a bug.

Trying to reproduce it, is another thing.

Could the ones who are having problems with the carriage returns, please go to their USER CP panel, and select EDIT OPTIONS and change their editor preferences at the bottom of the page. (from quote box, to standard, to WYSIWYG) and see if they are still having CR problems on every reply?

Thanks

Ridley...

Ridley - posted here yesterday

here's the test ....

with the WYSIWYG ....

set on options .... :rolleyes:

yep .... that leaves the CR active for me after a preview ... :)

but out of interest I just checked my other board that uses vBulletin Version 3.5.1 and that is set to 'Standard Editor' .... everything works fine over there :\

OK, tried all three.

Basic interface: CRs lost after previewing (the first preview looks fine, but the text entry box on that preview has stripped the extra CRs, so that any further previews only have single CRs).

Standard interface: Ditto.

WYSIWYG: Works OK. (But I hate the WYSIWYG editor!)

I'm on Win XP Pro, IE 6.0.

On a different issue, I'm having trouble staying logged in. I log in on coming to PPRuNe, but then after a dozen or so page views I get unexpectedly logged out. The second login usually lasts for longer, but doesn't always persist until the end of my session. Not sure what I can do about that, but mentioning it in case there are any tweaks that can be done at the server end.

Glob - regarding point 2 - have you done all this?

Thanks for the reminder - I did it again and discovered that I'd missed a pprune.com cookie. Hopefully this will make things better.

I have set 'enhanced' (cr/lf). But nothing seems to have changed and all the buttons on the row above the text are dead. It (cr/lf) sometimes works on edit but that's not really how it's meant to be, is it?

Thanks Boac.

frostbite: We're still working on it, but it may be a browser version/type/javascript issue that may not be fixable for only one browser. (which is what happens when new functionality is created via Javascript and DHTML.)

If you are using IE, or AOL (you have my sincerest sympathy if you do), you may want to try a more universally compliant browser such as firefox.

http://www.getfirefox.com

Good luck.

Ridley...

Just tried to send Tart1 a PM, being romantic (I was logged in) it took me about 10 mins to write.:) Click 'submit reply' said I was 'logged off' Ahhhhhhhh my best romantics' is lost!!!!!! Tart1 PM.

DO'L

Have you opened the cookie jar?

that's certainly what I would do for ten minute romantic literary forays .... :)

and if you save them all :confused: ... who knows,

there could be a book in it for you, eventually .... :p

And there is, of course, the highly technical option of using the back button/backspace key/cached history to return to the world of Mills and Boon replete with your prose and in all its glory. This works very well much of the time.

Rob

Testing with Opera browser and "enhanced WYSIWYG."
Carriage return
Carriage return
Time to preview.

Carriage returns have dissapeared!

testing ie6
cr
cr
end

set editor to wysiwyg

cr

cr

cr

Seems this fixed it

Testing

Testing

Once upon a time

there was a little girl who lived all alone in the woods

and her name was Little Red Riding Hood

Check

Check

Seems OK with editor set to wysiwyg

Unfortunately, the problem has recurred today, despite re-doing all that last week.

Glob - does that mean that it fixed it for a while?

Yes, in a negative sense, in that until today I didn't get logged out in any session since I re-did it all.

But I got logged out twice in a session earlier this morning, and have been twice already in this session (prompted by receiving the notification e-mail from your post).

Not a big problem, just a bit puzzled when the other vBulletin boards I go to don't give me these issues.

So is that 2.5 days uninterrupted Pruning? I have no further ideas, except to check you still have PPrune.org 'allowed' for cookies, and then as per my link
"If after trying the above you are still having the same problem, please get back to us at PPRuNe admin and we will investigate further."

I did stop for food and sleep! :D

Seriously, many thanks. If things are still the same, I will do that when I get back after the trip I'm about to embark on.

Except that you then can't paste!

Farkin 'ell!