Prooning gone wrong

[frostbite]

Wonder if anyone can help ? (I have asked admin). As I write, now can't use bold/italics or ANY of the WYSIWYG tools that worked for me before. Even carriage return in my original (this line) gets lost when I post. Don't use smilies, but I bet they wouldn't work either. I've changed nothing here (XP, FF1.5) and I always (used to) have a bit of pride in my layout!

[BOAC]

The loss of CR is known and a 'feature' which is not going to change. 'Best' solution is to preview and then re-insert CRs before hitting 'post'.

[Mac the Knife]

"Have you tried using Internet Explorer? "

You're joking right? You can't have a site that is browser specific!


"The loss of CR is known and a 'feature' which is not going to change."

You can't be serious! This is not a "feature" but a bug, and damned annnoying one at that.

[Edited to insert <CR>s]

[BOAC]

To quote from Danny (with his assumed permission, of course )

"In some browsers it appears that using the preview reply or possibly even when editing a post the function strips the carriage returns. Nothing we can do about it as it is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript."

Mac - NB the apostrophes around 'feature'

BTW, Mike, what were you trying to do with CR that didn't work?

Using the WYSIWYG eidtor I do not seem to have the CR drop on preview, but only on edit.

[hobie]

just a test to see what you guys are talking about ....
now lets see the preview ....
seems ok ....
is it just that I'm using internet explorer ......
Yep .... works fine for me ...
oh cripes .... .... I loose the CR after preview too ...

[Mac the Knife]

"...is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript."

Then the script needs changing.

[Onan the Clumsy]

Mike

For the younger readers, carriage return was the huge lever on a manual typewriter that would rotate the paper one line upwards & position the "carriage" - large moveable platform at the top of the machine

I must be even older because I thought that was called the "platen"

[Mac the Knife]

Sorry, I wasn't trying to be stroppy, but "...is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript." as something immutable just can't be.

A .js script is a .js script, not a mysterious black box that can't be fixed.
If the .js is stripping out <CR> then it's been told to do it, advertently or inadvertently, and needs to be fixed.

The days when webapps would rudely assume thaat everyone worth considering must be running Mr. Gates (now very obsolete) browser are surely long gone.

Even if different browsers do interpret js differently (odd, because most people are using the Sun JRE, since MS has now dropped it's "innovative" [and nonstandard] JRE) then including a browsercheck is trivial.

// BrowserCheck Object
// provides most commonly needed browser checking variables
// 19990326

// Copyright (C) 1999 Dan Steinman
// Distributed under the terms of the GNU Library General Public License
// Available at http://www.dansteinman.com/dynapi/

function BrowserCheck() {
var b = navigator.appName
if (b=="Netscape") this.b = "ns"
else if (b=="Microsoft Internet Explorer") this.b = "ie"
else this.b = b
this.v = parseInt(navigator.appVersion)
this.ns = (this.b=="ns" && this.v>=4)
this.ns4 = (this.b=="ns" && this.v==4)
this.ns5 = (this.b=="ns" && this.v==5)
this.ie = (this.b=="ie" && this.v>=4)
this.ie4 = (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 4')>0)
this.ie5 = (navigator.userAgent.indexOf('MSIE 5')>0)
if (this.ie5) this.v = 5
this.min = (this.ns||this.ie)
}

// automatically create the "is" object
is = new BrowserCheck()

Sorry, but it won't wash...

[Globaliser]

Originally Posted by BOAC

"In some browsers it appears that using the preview reply or possibly even when editing a post the function strips the carriage returns. Nothing we can do about it as it is a problem with the users browser and its interpretation of javascript."

I think this must be an introduced bug in this version of vBulletin, because vBulletin 3.5.0 (which I use on another site) doesn't have this problem with the same browser that I use so problematically for PPRuNe.

Mind you, that other site has servers that cannot cope with the load, unlike PPRuNe which remains pretty fast despite the much bigger pages being delivered, so I'm not going to complain too much.

[hobie]

I think this must be an introduced bug in this version of vBulletin, because vBulletin 3.5.0 (which I use on another site) doesn't have this problem

And I use another site that runs "vBulletin Version 3.5.1" and it works perfectly with IE ....
I thought the layout was familiar ....

[spekesoftly]

Using IE and the PPRuNe 'Enhanced Interface - Full WYSIWYG Editing', CRs all seem to work correctly for me, in preview, edit and post.

If I use either the Basic or Standard 'Message Editor Interface' (User CP/Edit Options), then the CRs do disappear.

[frostbite]

Thanks for the replies so far, folks. I have tried all the options, including 'enhanced interface' - no change. It was all working for me but can't say when it went pearshaped, except last few days.
I love pprune, but if it's a case of having to use IE instead of Firefox......

Footnote: I see in posting options that HTML is OFF - would this have owt to do with it? Raised this with admin to no avail.

[spekesoftly]

This post using Firefox and 'Enhanced'

CRs still OK!


(Edited to add HTML code is also Off)

[Onan the Clumsy]

ok Mike I'll accept your

but wasn't the "platen" just the rubber cylindrical device which was part of the carriage

but I'll raise you the

that would rotate the paper one line upwards

that the paper would rotate not one line, but as many lines (or partial lines) as was selected on the "paper roll up selection control"

[BOAC]

Sorry guys and girls - just the messenger - please don't shoot! I'll make sure the 'gurus' get the message.

Frostie

Footnote: I see in posting options that HTML is OFF - would this have owt to do with it? Raised this with admin to no avail.

I was involved in the asking there, and the message from Danny is 'its off, ok?' - OK - maybe a little more CRM than that..................

[Globaliser]

Originally Posted by frostbite

Footnote: I see in posting options that HTML is OFF - would this have owt to do with it? Raised this with admin to no avail.

Nothing to do with the HTML option. The 3.5.0 board that I visit has HTML switched off, too, but works fine.

[Ridley]

Ok, contrary to popular belief, this isn't a feature we're keeping or considering.
It's a bug.

Trying to reproduce it, is another thing.

Could the ones who are having problems with the carriage returns, please go to their USER CP panel, and select EDIT OPTIONS and change their editor preferences at the bottom of the page. (from quote box, to standard, to WYSIWYG) and see if they are still having CR problems on every reply?

Thanks

Ridley...

[BOAC]

Ridley - posted here yesterday

Using the WYSIWYG editor I do not seem to have the CR drop on preview, but only on edit.

[hobie]

Could the ones who are having problems with the carriage returns, please go to their USER CP panel, and select EDIT OPTIONS and change their editor preferences at the bottom of the page. (from quote box, to standard, to WYSIWYG) and see if they are still having CR problems on every reply?

here's the test ....

with the WYSIWYG ....

set on options ....

yep .... that leaves the CR active for me after a preview ...

but out of interest I just checked my other board that uses vBulletin Version 3.5.1 and that is set to 'Standard Editor' .... everything works fine over there

[Globaliser]

Originally Posted by Ridley

Could the ones who are having problems with the carriage returns, please go to their USER CP panel, and select EDIT OPTIONS and change their editor preferences at the bottom of the page. (from quote box, to standard, to WYSIWYG) and see if they are still having CR problems on every reply?

OK, tried all three.

Basic interface: CRs lost after previewing (the first preview looks fine, but the text entry box on that preview has stripped the extra CRs, so that any further previews only have single CRs).

Standard interface: Ditto.

WYSIWYG: Works OK. (But I hate the WYSIWYG editor!)

I'm on Win XP Pro, IE 6.0.

On a different issue, I'm having trouble staying logged in. I log in on coming to PPRuNe, but then after a dozen or so page views I get unexpectedly logged out. The second login usually lasts for longer, but doesn't always persist until the end of my session. Not sure what I can do about that, but mentioning it in case there are any tweaks that can be done at the server end.