VISTA ???
 

I have been using Win Vista for approx 12 months now but in the past (3 months approx) I have been getting 3 updates every 3 days and this is shutting down my computer and the restarting it with NO WARNING so I therefore have to re-start what I was doing. As you can imagine this is VERY ANNOYING so beside loosing my temper with this every time is there ANYTHING I could do to prevent this. Surely MICROSOFT WIN do NOT require every 3 days ??? :mad::mad::mad:

You'll find your options in Start - Control Panel - Windows update.

Control it from there.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH ANCIENT OBSERVER:ok::ok::ok:

Vista is a totally unreliable and unpredictable operating which still has more bugs than any other Micosoft operating system in history. It is resource hungry and is frequently incompatible with industry standard software -including some of Microsoft's own!

Commercially it is has been a failure with large commercial sites "downgrading" to XP Pro in preference to perservering with the unreliability and inconsistencies with Vista which inflated their desktop support bills but up to 70%.

Windows 7 will be released in October 2009 - we have been trialing a pre release version on 100 of our desktops for the past 4 months and it is working wonderfully.

I would suggest you ditch Vista when Windows 7 is released or downgrade now to XP Professional.

Never had a problem with Vista here!!:}

There are those who are lucky.

I know one happy Vista user who is nevertheless eager to switch to Win 7.
I know several folks who have "Upgraded" to Win XP.

My new laptop is also continually downloading and installing updates, if MS are releasing a new OS in a couple of months, why issue so many Vista updates right now? :confused:

I notice some of my software doing the same thing - Paintshop Pro updates every three or four days for example.

I've had similar problems with my Vista - over the last few months it's just got slower and slower - downloading updates on an almost daily basis and has also started freezing up on me quite regularly.

I think I'm gonna go Apple soon, based on what I've heard . . . !

As an MS certified engineer and trainer (which I would never admit on my CV) I'd say get a Mac. Vista is a turd, and Microsoft have a lot to answer for in the way they've made the "update culture" an accepted state of affairs. If you can't use OSX you should really consider putting your computer back in its box and sending it back to the manufacturer.

I really don't understand the vinegar-stroke excitement over operating systems these days. They become more and more irrelevant by the day. Chrome OS and similar are the future in my opinion. Most people spend their life on the web and don't need bloated ****e like Windows eating up their system resources.

Not had a problem with Vista until last night when it went base over apex big time. Damn thing will rarely boot now and when it does it falls over again after about 20 mins. Overheating processor or just Vista bloatware???:confused:

Going to have the cover off tonight and hoover the dust out as it sits in my living room as my Media Centre. If it ain't that it's reinstall time as it doesn't want to boot from the OS disc to run the repair utility. Bah!!:mad:

Nowt in event viewer?

Same problem here, I have a work laptop and it really annoys me when, upon startup, almost all of my software are downloading updates, hogging my internet connection and my outlook can't grab some bandwidth.

I was so fed up that I ended up uninstalling all of those software that are updating themselves without my permission.

One reason I like Zone Alarm as a firewall is that it is very easy to lock out programs from net access. The MS firewall doesn't seem to be capable of that despite the interface that says it allows you to block programs.

It does mention a possible BIOS upgrade but it seems odd that it should suddenly go wrong when it was fine before.

Cleaned all the dust out tonight, but it still crashes. Tried the boot from OS disc, system repair could not find a problem but when I tried to access system restore it crashed, blue screen, "uncorrectable hardware error" it said.

:{:{:{

Suggest you try reseating all your cards and the ram modules, might work. And also the various cables as well ie psu, hard drive etc.

Not Obvious but.
 

Not Visa I'm on XP - but there was a out of seq OS Security fix, from MS

Check your update record

CAT III

I turn off all auto updates. Some software (Thunderbird and Firefox, for example) is allowed to tell me there's an update available. I'll download it if I think I need it.

I reckon that in most cases, if it works, updates are more likely to break it than improve it.

Most of the MS updates are to fix ever-more-obscure security issues. With a proper firewall and virus protection etc, I'm not too bothered about the holes in MS's stuff.

neither have I. Never used it.

It does sound like it could be hardware rather than os related Turin. I agree that it could be worthwhile reseating components. Perhaps boot into safe mode & see if it stays alive. Perhaps run memtest, check temperature etc. from there.

Fwiw, my xp box at work crashes without any kind of system reporting every twenty minutes or so. It's the graphics card & while I'm waiting for the replacement to turn up, I'm doing a lot of saving, along with wringing of hands & gnashing of teeth.

Feel like I've hijacked the thread.

Anyway, thanks to all those offering advice.

This all started originally with Media Centre freezing randomly but especially when a tv program was paused.
I was fiddleing with the power management utility when for no reason at all the thing crashed, auto rebooted, just like an electrical spike or short power cut. Ever since then I have had the problem.
It will run in safe mode. :confused:

If it runs OK in safe mode, but plays up in "normal" mode, I'd go for the "one driver at a time" test to see what's upsetting it.

Alternatively, do a "reinstall repair" where you start as if you meant to install the operating system over again (ie not the "repair console"). Soon after the offer of the repair console, it will tell you it's found an existing installation and do you want it to attempt to fix that. You do.

Obviously, back up your important stuff to an external drive before you do that (use safe Mode).

Yeah, Keef articulates what I meant to say, but are too thck to achooaly rite down:)

Safe mode helps you point the finger as mentioned above. Of course, if it blue screened, you may have a crash dump & if you have that, you can run debugger to find out what's killing it.

Seems I was a bit premature.

It will crash in safe mode (BSOD) when asked to do anything too tasking.

EG backing up files to an external hard drive. After about a minute of backing up it crashes. Attempting to use system restore causes it to crash also.

I have the codes from the BSOD screen though, but don't know how to interpret them. Searched MS website etc but it's not finding my specific problem. Where do I find this debugger? Is it a generic program or is it part of the windows suite?

"Reinstall repair" looks favourite. :ok:

Thanks again for your continued advice.

Google on windbgr or windows debugger & have a look here:

How to solve Windows system crashes in minutes - Network World

It can be a bit involved, but it's a great tool - provided you can stay alive long enough to actually run it of course.;)

I've tried many times to get to the bottom of a problem using that BSOD debugger, and never yet succeeded. I don't think I have the patience (or is it the luck?) needed.

Sometimes there's useful information in the event log; sometimes I poke chips and it crashes, telling me which one to unplug and reseat. Sometimes the reinstall-repair fixes it.

Most often, I describe the problem on a forum and a kind person who knows pops up and tells me exactly what to do. Once I've learned how to fix a particular problem, I remember for hours!

Hmm, I've used debugger a few times & it's always shown me the path. One thing with bsod's sometimes the bsod itself will clue you in, sometimes the error report on reboot will.

For example, my xp box is bsod'ing every twenty minutes or more at the moment. When it goes, the bsod states atidvag2.dll has caused windows to stop working and the system will be shut down.

Ati eh? Bit of a clue there. Sure enough, disable the graphics card & the system ticks along nicely albeit with 1982 graphics. Point being, corrupted files can sometimes be helpfully named. Doesn't do it everytime, but a fair few.

With the debugger, you must, must have an up to date set of symbols for it or it won't work.

Quick update..

Disabled graphics card driver, still BSODs.

Tried the repair install but got a BSOD during that process too.

Tried to reinstall VISTA, got a BSOD.

Next job I think is a complete format of hard drive and clean install.
Any suggestions as to why I shouldn't do that?

I have it all backed up now so there's no issue there and I have all the drivers.
I had a look at the debugger and to be honest it looks a bit beyond me. :O
Thanks again for your help.

You will need to find the BSOD causes before you format/re-install otherwise you'll end up with a right mess.

Sounds definitely hardware related, remove and reseat the ram and all other cards, also lift the arm and reseat the processor.

If that doesn't do it change the psu.

Well I was plain wrong. My Bsod was reporting an Ati driver crash & turned out to be something (probably mobo) else.

If you're going over all ends up, try removing all expansion cards & rebooting, adding one at a time. Knowing you Turin, you probably have sound, graphics & tv cards on board.

Well here's the thing..

It now will only boot from the OS disc to the install/repair utility.

Have removed the two Ram cards (individually) removed the TV tuner card, only the graphics card now but need an adapter for the cable.

Now time for a stupid question.

When removing and refitting a CPU is it absolutely essential to apply a new layer of thermal paste between heatsink and CPU or can I just refit it with the residue of the original paste intact.

All the websites I see say to apply new paste, however these are aimed at building new systems or upgrading not refitting the same componants.

Just asking. :O

Yes, unless you have shares in intel or AMD.

SD

I would agree with SD on the paste, albeit if the existing paste is still soft you might get away with it. I've never yet taken a heatsink off and found the paste soft, mind.

Most Intel chips of fairly recent manufacture have a temp sensor in 'em, and that can be read by stuff like Everest (the free version will do). If that shows anything over about 60 degrees, worry.

Well, I took no chances and refitted my processor with fresh paste.

Interestingly, the temp shown in the BIOS is set at 55 deg and the fan is maintaining that.

Diagnosing this BSOD is becoming a nightmare as now it will not boot from the hard disc at all. Gets to the options page (Safe Mode, Safe Mode with Network, Normal etc) but will not boot from any selection, it just goes into a loop and returns to the same page again. It will boot from the setup disc to the install/repair diagnostic but it can not automatically fix the fault, gives an "error during setup" in the fault details list.

I can't disconnect the video card as that is the only means of connecting to a monitor/tv. I thought I had a VGA socket on the mobo but it turns out it's a DE-9 not a DA-15. (All my monitors/tvs have VGA DA-15)

So, it's either off to the repair shop or start purchasing hardware to swap in and out.

Much of the stuff on t'internet suggests conflicts between the video card/driver and onboard sound but my system has run for the best part of 2 & 1/2 years without major problems so why would it just fail now?

One 'fix' touted around the net is to disable C1E in the BIOS. :confused::confused:

Another is to jump the CMOS. A complex manouvre involving turning the pc off moving a jumper, pressing the on switch with power off.........zzzzzzz:ugh:



I personally suspect the hard drive, but that is just a hunch.

You haven't changed anything prior to the failure have you? I'm thinking driver/app updates?

I had it set up to auto update from MS. So it is possible that a driver has buggered it but it all went pear shaped relatively slowly.
First noticed MCE freezing occasionally, then I had the initial BSOD which said "A clock interrupt not received on a secondary processor within the allocated time interval....Stop 0x00000101."

At least I could boot the machine at that point but it has now degenerated to "Uncorrectable hardware error.....Stop 0x00000124."

This latter stop is apparently very common and not necessarily a hardware issue.
I dunno, Anyone want to buy a shiny silver box that goes "beep"?

I just had a look round another place & chanced on a thread with a guy who got the same bsod/stop error messages as you.

After exhaustive testing, removing coponents/software/rebuilding, he narrowed it down to the cpu or the motheboard. Swapped the cpu & the system was fine so deduced it was either the cpu or the cpu/mobo interface.

Either way, a few quid to spend to right things it would seem.:ouch:

I think you may be right but I want to try a format and clean install with default drivers first. Wish me luck?

Thanks for everyones help.

I'll let you know how I went on. :ok:

Guess I must be the other lucky one :}

Trot around the globe with my Tesco £495 special running Vista.

I load and process Gb's of data daily with not so much as a glitch.

I remember well the universal whinging about XP being loaded with unnecessary bells and whistles, totally bloated they said. Lousy operating system !

Now of course it is the darling of the universe.

I think to many folks do too much twiddling with their kit and end up in deep doo-doo.


The guys that I know who suffer with Vista-itis for sure fall into this catagory.

Not making a blanket statement here just an observation.


PS. I run three machines, Win2k, XP and Vista.

No problem :ok:

My inclination (as hinted above) would be to plug in a different hard drive and see what it does. I have an old clunker 40GB IDE that I keep for such exploits.

It may need to have an operating system installed on it, but if the BSOD recurs after that, you know you're down to Mobo or CPU. I've never had a Mogo or a CPU die on me. I've had lots of hard drives pop their clogs (well, three of them, anyway).

... and how many PSU's? ;)