Spyware from PPRuNe
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Sub Judice Angel Lovegod
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Spyware from PPRuNe
Whenever I go into PPRuNe forums my SpyBot reports that it has blocked an attempted infection by Avenue A.
Avenue A is essentially a way of garnering information from our PCs to make us better targets for SPAM. http://www.safersite.com/PestInfo/a/...are_cookie.asp
I would like to know if it is PPRuNe policy to infect us with this pest or if it is happening without Danny's agreement.
Tvm
W
Avenue A is essentially a way of garnering information from our PCs to make us better targets for SPAM. http://www.safersite.com/PestInfo/a/...are_cookie.asp
I would like to know if it is PPRuNe policy to infect us with this pest or if it is happening without Danny's agreement.
Tvm
W
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Aaaaarghhh!
I thought I'd got the pesky viruses and worms and spybots all corralled.
But this one hasn't popped up on my ZoneAlarm screen, nor has anything else (such as Mozilla's cookie-killer) seen it.
What indications do you get from the PPRuNe site? I must go take a look.
I thought I'd got the pesky viruses and worms and spybots all corralled.
But this one hasn't popped up on my ZoneAlarm screen, nor has anything else (such as Mozilla's cookie-killer) seen it.
What indications do you get from the PPRuNe site? I must go take a look.
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From: Florida
Yes, Ian, this should be in the Computers/Internet forum, so I'm going to re-direct it there. I'll leave a pointer in this forum.
WCollins, this topic (specifically the AvenueA issue) has been addressed in depth in the Computers/Internet forum. Here is a thread which will help you find your answers.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
FWIW, I (and many others, as you'll see when you go to the above link) also use spyware detection software (including spybot), and have NEVER had an alert regarding PPRuNe.
WCollins, this topic (specifically the AvenueA issue) has been addressed in depth in the Computers/Internet forum. Here is a thread which will help you find your answers.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1
FWIW, I (and many others, as you'll see when you go to the above link) also use spyware detection software (including spybot), and have NEVER had an alert regarding PPRuNe.
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From: Geriatrica, UK
Should this not be moved to the computers and internet forum as its a big yawn
McD, shame on you for supporting this assertion.
CrashDive, please could you send this worthless thread back from whence it came!
Bah! The very idea.
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From: Florida,Essex, or Shoreham.
Brainless low life, eh? Sir, you do not even know me.
If you wish to slug it out privately, I look forward to the opportunity
As for your flying experience, I don't doubt you, but that was hardly the point was it..I apologise if I upset you.
Iain x
If you wish to slug it out privately, I look forward to the opportunity
As for your flying experience, I don't doubt you, but that was hardly the point was it..I apologise if I upset you.
Iain x
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From: Geriatrica, UK
Against my better judgement I will continue this exchange one more time.
You apologise but with qualification. Such apologies are worthless.
In this forum we welcome PPRuNers with questions about the problems they are experiencing with their IT equipment. I personally spend between 5 and 20 hours a week researching the answers to these questions. I learn from this exercise and enjoy it when I have a success.
You imply that when you encounter a topic that is, in your view, a "big yawn" it should be consigned to the Computer Forum. I hope that in the fullness of time and with maturity you will modify this somewhat narrow view.
I do what I do after a flying career of 44 years, 9000 hours on 65+ types in which the only discipline I have no experience is LTA.
Bah!
You apologise but with qualification. Such apologies are worthless.
In this forum we welcome PPRuNers with questions about the problems they are experiencing with their IT equipment. I personally spend between 5 and 20 hours a week researching the answers to these questions. I learn from this exercise and enjoy it when I have a success.
You imply that when you encounter a topic that is, in your view, a "big yawn" it should be consigned to the Computer Forum. I hope that in the fullness of time and with maturity you will modify this somewhat narrow view.
I do what I do after a flying career of 44 years, 9000 hours on 65+ types in which the only discipline I have no experience is LTA.
Bah!
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From: Florida,Essex, or Shoreham.
FOBOTCSO,
Having re-read my original post, I can see how offence was taken. The big yawn comment was not aimed at this forum, it was just a throw away comment on this particular topic.
I do very much respect the work you, Naples Air Centre et all do on this forum. I do not find this forum a bore at all, in fact it has proved a mine of useful information.
I do apologise without reservation - I will think twice before posting such things in the future.
PS, You have me well and truly whipped on the flying front...
Sorry once again.
Having re-read my original post, I can see how offence was taken. The big yawn comment was not aimed at this forum, it was just a throw away comment on this particular topic.
I do very much respect the work you, Naples Air Centre et all do on this forum. I do not find this forum a bore at all, in fact it has proved a mine of useful information.
I do apologise without reservation - I will think twice before posting such things in the future.
PS, You have me well and truly whipped on the flying front...
Sorry once again.
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From: Geriatrica, UK
Okay, accepted.
When one's flying career is ended and all that is left is to help others in some way or other it goes agianst the grain to feel that one's efforts are regarded as worthless. I hope you will make to the point where you can find this out for yourself.
When one's flying career is ended and all that is left is to help others in some way or other it goes agianst the grain to feel that one's efforts are regarded as worthless. I hope you will make to the point where you can find this out for yourself.
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Sub Judice Angel Lovegod
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At McD's suggestion, I have moved my attention to the thread at http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...5&pagenumber=1 as it is on entirely the same topic.
I apologise for starting a new one* but I do not normally look in the computers area.
I will however pick up McD's comment:
...then I am afraid that your precautions are just not up to scratch....either you are implying that we are all lying (why should we?), or that the attack is only directed at certain members (why should it be?) or you are simply asserting that some of us are more careful/paranoid than others.
W
*(and am particularly sorry that it resulted in fisticuffs and a pissing competition)
I apologise for starting a new one* but I do not normally look in the computers area.
I will however pick up McD's comment:
FWIW, I (and many others, as you'll see when you go to the above link) also use spyware detection software (including spybot), and have NEVER had an alert regarding PPRuNe.
W
*(and am particularly sorry that it resulted in fisticuffs and a pissing competition)
Last edited by Timothy; 27th June 2003 at 16:15.
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WCollins and stickyb,
If I'm wrong, then I'll be glad to admit it. (Actually, I'm not concerned about being "right" or "wrong" -- I am trying to help solve the problems that you and others are encountering.)
However, at the moment, I'm still thinking that there might be differences in the way our browsers are set.
I've just downloaded the latest version of SpyBot, and ran it. Nothing from PPRuNe. (Actually, nothing at all, thankfully). Same thing when I ran AdAware from Lavasoft. Then, I cleared all my caches, histories, etc. (using PurgeIE -- a great tool, IMHO) so that I could start with a "clean slate". I then went to more than 10 different PPRuNe pages and got no warnings. But, just to be safe, I ran SpyBot again. Nothing at all.
So, am I wrong? Are others (who posted on this thread and the related thread, who also have no problems with PPRuNe) wrong too? Or do we just have different browser settings which have a different way of handling cookies?
Remember that AvenueA is advertising spyware. Remember also Danny's quote in the previous thread "The product you have referred to is probably something one of the advertisers uses to track you if you visit their website and it will be able to verify that you came from PPRuNe but that's it." It really sounds to me like the warnings are coming from the ads on PPRuNe pages, but not PPRuNe itself.
Again, I could be wrong, but rather than taking an adversarial stance, let's work on this together.
I'll tell you what ... take a look at your browser settings and see how your browser is set to handle cookies. I'll do some more tests with SpyBot and Lavasoft and see if I can duplicate any of the warnings you're getting.
If I'm wrong, then I'll be glad to admit it. (Actually, I'm not concerned about being "right" or "wrong" -- I am trying to help solve the problems that you and others are encountering.)
However, at the moment, I'm still thinking that there might be differences in the way our browsers are set.
I've just downloaded the latest version of SpyBot, and ran it. Nothing from PPRuNe. (Actually, nothing at all, thankfully). Same thing when I ran AdAware from Lavasoft. Then, I cleared all my caches, histories, etc. (using PurgeIE -- a great tool, IMHO) so that I could start with a "clean slate". I then went to more than 10 different PPRuNe pages and got no warnings. But, just to be safe, I ran SpyBot again. Nothing at all.
So, am I wrong? Are others (who posted on this thread and the related thread, who also have no problems with PPRuNe) wrong too? Or do we just have different browser settings which have a different way of handling cookies?
Remember that AvenueA is advertising spyware. Remember also Danny's quote in the previous thread "The product you have referred to is probably something one of the advertisers uses to track you if you visit their website and it will be able to verify that you came from PPRuNe but that's it." It really sounds to me like the warnings are coming from the ads on PPRuNe pages, but not PPRuNe itself.
Again, I could be wrong, but rather than taking an adversarial stance, let's work on this together.
I'll tell you what ... take a look at your browser settings and see how your browser is set to handle cookies. I'll do some more tests with SpyBot and Lavasoft and see if I can duplicate any of the warnings you're getting.
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I have set up cookies on my PC the way I need them (I use, and indeed write and sell, ASP products, and these depend on cookies being allowed.)
I have SpyBot set to pick up the latest updates, and to warn me when it catches a pest. I get
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Spybot-S&D Resident
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Spybot-S&D has blocked the download of "Avenue A, Inc."!
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OK
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whenever I change pages in PPRuNe
W
I have SpyBot set to pick up the latest updates, and to warn me when it catches a pest. I get
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Spybot-S&D Resident
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Spybot-S&D has blocked the download of "Avenue A, Inc."!
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OK
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whenever I change pages in PPRuNe
W
Last edited by Timothy; 28th June 2003 at 07:23.
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McD, try this.
Run SpyBot earch and destro to check you have a clean machine.
Run spybot immunize, click install for the permantly running blocker, and select display diagloge when blocking.
Then surf around, and you should get a message every time something like Avenue A is encountered.
I have set up my system like that just the check out things, and a W Collins says, I get a warning about every 4th page on Pprune
Of course, if you are blocking cookies some other way before Spybot, then you won't see anything.
Run SpyBot earch and destro to check you have a clean machine.
Run spybot immunize, click install for the permantly running blocker, and select display diagloge when blocking.
Then surf around, and you should get a message every time something like Avenue A is encountered.
I have set up my system like that just the check out things, and a W Collins says, I get a warning about every 4th page on Pprune
Of course, if you are blocking cookies some other way before Spybot, then you won't see anything.
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No spyware from PPruNe. However the valueclick ads are localised for the part of the world you're logging in from. I'll have a chat with Danny. It's possible some localised sales types at valueclick are allowing naughties that are verbotten by us. They know it's no pop ups, audio or spyware. Otherwise we'll bin them worldwide.
Regards
Rob
Regards
Rob
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And Mr. Towers, sir, could you also see if you can find where the occasional Active-X control comes from ? My browser is set to prompt me when the bl**dy things arrive, so no exposure, but what are they ? About once a session on average.
ta
Addendum: just noticed a "downloading from oz.valueclick...." flash by in the status bar while on PPRuNe, so yes it is coming from here. (And I'm nowhere near Oz !)
ta
Addendum: just noticed a "downloading from oz.valueclick...." flash by in the status bar while on PPRuNe, so yes it is coming from here. (And I'm nowhere near Oz !)
Last edited by PaperTiger; 29th June 2003 at 01:58.
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Thanks, Rob, for letting us know why some people get warnings and others don't.
Thanks too WCollins and stickyb for your inputs. (Incidentally, after taking all your info into account, and doing a lot of experimenting, I never got any warnings about any PPRuNe pages. I do allow cookies, so it must be the geography as Rob says.)
Thanks too WCollins and stickyb for your inputs. (Incidentally, after taking all your info into account, and doing a lot of experimenting, I never got any warnings about any PPRuNe pages. I do allow cookies, so it must be the geography as Rob says.)