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Oh dear. We've had this question before !
Its simple.
Windows10 is not yet released. It is still in beta.
Thus you should not be using it for real-life day-to-day applications.
Thus it is not possible (or advisable) to form an opinion on new software when it is in a beta state, because everything and anything is subject to change.
Wait until its released before you start thinking about using it or trying to get opinions on it.
Its simple.
Windows10 is not yet released. It is still in beta.
Thus you should not be using it for real-life day-to-day applications.
Thus it is not possible (or advisable) to form an opinion on new software when it is in a beta state, because everything and anything is subject to change.
Wait until its released before you start thinking about using it or trying to get opinions on it.
Thus it is not possible (or advisable) to form an opinion on new software when it is in a beta state, because everything and anything is subject to change.
Do we have any brave beta testers aboard this forum?
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Be fair, mixture.
You can have opinions on beta software, but they may not be relevant to the released product.
Without end-user feedback from the beta program, which includes opinion as well as problems and bugs (sorry, undocumented features with unwanted effects), the end product as released would not be as good (or would be even worse, depending on your PoV).
I haven't seen Win 10 beta, so I have no opinion.
SD
You can have opinions on beta software, but they may not be relevant to the released product.
Without end-user feedback from the beta program, which includes opinion as well as problems and bugs (sorry, undocumented features with unwanted effects), the end product as released would not be as good (or would be even worse, depending on your PoV).
I haven't seen Win 10 beta, so I have no opinion.
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I thought the idea behind beta state was for opinions to be formed leading to a better product.
Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete but likely to contain a number of known or unknown bugs. Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software, as well as speed/performance issues and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts to users, often incorporating usability testing.
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Be fair, mixture.
You can have opinions on beta software, but they may not be relevant to the released product.
You can have opinions on beta software, but they may not be relevant to the released product.
People are entitled to have irrelevant opinions in relation to Windows 10.
... and it could be argued that people who are, ahem, slightly less advanced/sophisticated than others in the game have their input at this stage, too.
The 'expert' would never do [this or that] because it would be a silly thing to do, even with a fully developed OS; the more naïve, otoh, might not know not to do it. And the problem would not be disclosed until the so-called fully-tested product was out in the wide world. Mega thread-drift coming up...
back in the 60s, Vauxhall produced a family saloon called a Cresta. Not long after its release, someone came back to the dealer with the front screen across the back seat.
Shock horror: "What HAVE you done?" "Nothing much, I just jacked it up in the drive and the windscreen popped out. What do you mean, it can't do that. It did. Er, possibly I shouldn't have had the front door open at the time."
The salesman insisted that it still couldn't happened that way, until the punter insisted in his turn that they try it on a car in the showroom, so they opened the front door, jacked the car up, and guess what? The windscreen popped out.
Us idiots can be useful at times.
The 'expert' would never do [this or that] because it would be a silly thing to do, even with a fully developed OS; the more naïve, otoh, might not know not to do it. And the problem would not be disclosed until the so-called fully-tested product was out in the wide world. Mega thread-drift coming up...
back in the 60s, Vauxhall produced a family saloon called a Cresta. Not long after its release, someone came back to the dealer with the front screen across the back seat.
Shock horror: "What HAVE you done?" "Nothing much, I just jacked it up in the drive and the windscreen popped out. What do you mean, it can't do that. It did. Er, possibly I shouldn't have had the front door open at the time."
The salesman insisted that it still couldn't happened that way, until the punter insisted in his turn that they try it on a car in the showroom, so they opened the front door, jacked the car up, and guess what? The windscreen popped out.
Us idiots can be useful at times.
Originally Posted by Mixture
Thus you should not be using it for real-life day-to-day applications.
Thus it is not possible (or advisable) to form an opinion on new software when it is in a beta state, because everything and anything is subject to change.
Wait until its released before you start thinking about using it or trying to get opinions on it.
Thus it is not possible (or advisable) to form an opinion on new software when it is in a beta state, because everything and anything is subject to change.
Wait until its released before you start thinking about using it or trying to get opinions on it.
2. Rubbish;
3. Why should I?
Pull ya head in, Mixture.
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Quick question about Windows 10.
I am running 8.1 ATM which I can update for free. If at a later stage I want to add a new HDD to my machine can I just reload 10 or will I have to goto 7 then 8 then 8.1 then 10 as that was my upgrade route? Just thinking of saving at least a day of my life.
I am running 8.1 ATM which I can update for free. If at a later stage I want to add a new HDD to my machine can I just reload 10 or will I have to goto 7 then 8 then 8.1 then 10 as that was my upgrade route? Just thinking of saving at least a day of my life.
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I have it "in production" on one PC in the office. It's still a bit of a mess, quite a way to go before release (can't even join domains yet) but fairly stable though.
Terrain Safe, you can just go 8.1 to 10.
Terrain Safe, you can just go 8.1 to 10.
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Pull ya head in, Mixture.
I've been involved in more beta tests than you'll ever be, including having been flown out to California for various things at various large names.
If you had seen just some of the stuff I'd seen, you too would agree with what I'm saying and understand why I say only fools seek to form an opinion on the basis of beta software.
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Mixture, I think you should consider this is a public Beta version rather than a controlled test phase. Anyone is allowed to try the software out and use it how they want to either get a sneak preview of what Win 10 will be like, or even to post feedback to Microsoft, with the caveat that its pre-release so supplied without support or warranty.
The majority of public beta testers will be the former though, just wanting a look at something new. So its only natural to want to discuss first impressions on an internet forum. Thank you for the warning though that its not production standard yet.
The majority of public beta testers will be the former though, just wanting a look at something new. So its only natural to want to discuss first impressions on an internet forum. Thank you for the warning though that its not production standard yet.
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Microsoft may call it a "Technical Preview", but its still a fancy name for beta, in their own words :
I wish all those who sail the Windows 10 beta ship the very best of luck, rather you than me !
Windows 10 Technical Preview may be substantially modified before it's commercially released.
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So has anyone been "brave" enough to try it yet and is brave enough to post their opinions here? I have heard it's an improvement and somewhat of a compromise between Win7 and Win8 - most notably returning to a more traditional style of start menu. I've avoided Win8 as it just doesnt seem worth the annoyance so am hoping to jump directly to Win10 when 7 gets too past it. I stayed XP for a long time and went directly to 7 as Vista never seemed to cut the mustard.
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Windows 7 is what Vista should have been.
Will Windows 10 be what Windows 8 should have been?
But actually, I don't find Windows 8 that bad. Infact my biggest gripe about it is that stupid Start Screen.
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Gsxr600, to me, Win 10 just seems a 'melange' of Win7 and Win8. Doubtless there are hidden assets! But well worth a download and explore, with a spare HDD.
Mixture, as far as removing the irritating Start screen, simply right click in an empty part of the toolbar > Properties > Navigation > Start Screen - select 'Show my desktop background on Start'.
Mixture, as far as removing the irritating Start screen, simply right click in an empty part of the toolbar > Properties > Navigation > Start Screen - select 'Show my desktop background on Start'.
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I am using Windows 10 "Technical Preview" on my personal laptop, although not on my work laptop, which still has Win7. I really can't stand Win8 and that's why I'm not using it, even though I was offered it.
My opinion is that Win10 is most definitely not ready for release yet. Different people with different hardware will experience different problems, but in my case, it's a matter of apparently random chance how the screen will look when I boot it up. Some of the time, all the fonts look just fine, but at other times, smaller fonts and some of the small icons look blurred and malformed.
There are occasional application crashes, particularly with Photo Viewer.
It seems unable to join a Homegroup made up of Win7 computers.
However my biggest gripe with Win10 is this: what exactly is the point? If you're using it, as I do, in the kind of "classic desktop" mode, it looks very much like an uglier version of Win7. Everything has the Win8 "flat" appearance, with unattractive desktop icons and application windows.
On the other hand, there are a couple of things I do like, such as the integration with OneDrive, which means I can access important files at home, or anywhere with Internet, and on my mobile phone.
No doubt I have some more work to do in order to discover the other good stuff within Win10 as well.
My opinion is that Win10 is most definitely not ready for release yet. Different people with different hardware will experience different problems, but in my case, it's a matter of apparently random chance how the screen will look when I boot it up. Some of the time, all the fonts look just fine, but at other times, smaller fonts and some of the small icons look blurred and malformed.
There are occasional application crashes, particularly with Photo Viewer.
It seems unable to join a Homegroup made up of Win7 computers.
However my biggest gripe with Win10 is this: what exactly is the point? If you're using it, as I do, in the kind of "classic desktop" mode, it looks very much like an uglier version of Win7. Everything has the Win8 "flat" appearance, with unattractive desktop icons and application windows.
On the other hand, there are a couple of things I do like, such as the integration with OneDrive, which means I can access important files at home, or anywhere with Internet, and on my mobile phone.
No doubt I have some more work to do in order to discover the other good stuff within Win10 as well.