Rechargables
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Rechargables
A question Ive asked before elsewhere but cant get a definitive answer.
Is it best to let your battery go right down before re-charging.
Is it bad to "top up" the battery when its 1/2 full??????????
Is it best to let your battery go right down before re-charging.
Is it bad to "top up" the battery when its 1/2 full??????????
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Depends entirely on the type of battery. Lead/Acid (car) batteries really shouldn't be fully discharged, and even then must be promptly re-charged. The manufacturers publish typical lifetimes, which depend on the number, and depth of each charge/discharge cycle. This is further broken down by the make up of the cells. "Deep Cycle", "Starting" and hybrid "Marine/Dual Purpose" will all have different capabilities.
On the other hand, NiCad (typically "Torch" batteries, as used in small portable electronic appliances), should be fully discharged from time to time, as they suffer from a "memory" effect. NiMh are supposedly immune from this.
Lithium types (as used in computers and phones) will be permanently damaged by full discharge, and the equipment will normally shut down before this happens.
That's what causes the memory effect in NiCads.
On the other hand, NiCad (typically "Torch" batteries, as used in small portable electronic appliances), should be fully discharged from time to time, as they suffer from a "memory" effect. NiMh are supposedly immune from this.
Lithium types (as used in computers and phones) will be permanently damaged by full discharge, and the equipment will normally shut down before this happens.
Is it bad to "top up" the battery when its 1/2 full??????????
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Charge fully then use as you wish.
Don't listen to scare stories, they are urban myths concerning an obsolete battery type promulgated by self-aggrandising help-desk simians.
The 'memory' effect in NiCad batteries (no longer available) was caused by whiskering. During charge, metal was deposited unevenly and the electrodes grew localised whiskers which limited the chargeability.
Don't worry! Equipment designers do all the worrying for you.
Charge fully then use as you wish.
Don't listen to scare stories, they are urban myths concerning an obsolete battery type promulgated by self-aggrandising help-desk simians.
The 'memory' effect in NiCad batteries (no longer available) was caused by whiskering. During charge, metal was deposited unevenly and the electrodes grew localised whiskers which limited the chargeability.
Don't worry! Equipment designers do all the worrying for you.
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Is it an "Urban Myth" that some batteries willl only accept so many attempts to re-charge them before they roll over with their feet in the air ?
Apple staff told me that when I bought an iPad, so I let it go down to almost zero everytime before I start to re-charge it, and then put it on a timer so that it is no longer connected shortly after it reaches full charge, which takes about 4 hours.
It doesn't normally inconvenience me, but am I being unnecessarily paranoid.
( like everything else in Life - ask two people and get five answers.)
Apple staff told me that when I bought an iPad, so I let it go down to almost zero everytime before I start to re-charge it, and then put it on a timer so that it is no longer connected shortly after it reaches full charge, which takes about 4 hours.
It doesn't normally inconvenience me, but am I being unnecessarily paranoid.
( like everything else in Life - ask two people and get five answers.)
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As has been said, it all depends...on the type of battery.
One thing that's often overlooked is that the first few discharge/charge cycles should be appropriate for the sort of battery it is, in order to condition it.
Use start page or if you really love adverts, google to get more info.
Apple staff told you that ? Really ? Hmmm.......
One thing that's often overlooked is that the first few discharge/charge cycles should be appropriate for the sort of battery it is, in order to condition it.
Use start page or if you really love adverts, google to get more info.
Apple staff told you that ? Really ? Hmmm.......
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To get a real laugh listen to floor staff of pc world in the UK.
Either they just make it, up or thier job training takes 10 mins.
To give themsome due the techs that fix stuff in the cages seem to have more of a clue. But the thankfully limited exposure to the network techs is also a bit of an eye opener.
Either they just make it, up or thier job training takes 10 mins.
To give themsome due the techs that fix stuff in the cages seem to have more of a clue. But the thankfully limited exposure to the network techs is also a bit of an eye opener.
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One thing that's often overlooked is that the first few discharge/charge cycles should be appropriate for the sort of battery it is, in order to condition it.
Apple staff told you that ? Really ? Hmmm.......
Apple staff told you that ? Really ? Hmmm.......
ENOUGH of your stupid Apple bashing !
You know very well that the sort of batteries found in Apple (and many other manufacturers) devices does not need discharge/charge cycles !
The advice is to work on a top-up charge basis !
All you need to do is read the manuals for the devices if you don't wish to believe what people tell you.
The whole discharge/recharge "conditioning" thing is from the old Nicad era and is no longer applicable in this day and age of modern battery technology !
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ENOUGH of your stupid Apple bashing !
So one word - really - and one question mark - ? - constitutes "Apple Bashing" does it. Oh dear.
As far as conditioning and reconditioning of modern battery technology not being necessary I suggest you do just a tiny bit of research on the matter before advising people on this thread.
Better still, stay silent on matters of which you know nothing.
So one word - really - and one question mark - ? - constitutes "Apple Bashing" does it. Oh dear.
As far as conditioning and reconditioning of modern battery technology not being necessary I suggest you do just a tiny bit of research on the matter before advising people on this thread.
Better still, stay silent on matters of which you know nothing.
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Apple chargers, not connected - or once the device is charged, will draw just a minute amount of electricity. Something like US$0.014 worth per YEAR (or double that in Europe where the electricity is twice as expensive)
While laudable it really isn't necessary. Chargers made by others will not necessarily give you the same results. As they say 'your mileage may (will) vary'!
And Apple Geniuses should know this. (It's easily googable)
While laudable it really isn't necessary. Chargers made by others will not necessarily give you the same results. As they say 'your mileage may (will) vary'!
And Apple Geniuses should know this. (It's easily googable)
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From: The Smaller Antipode
I'm hedging my bets - my Windows HP Laptop remains connected all the time - except when I'm at home when there's a power failure, a frequent occurrence in rural New Zealand, and I don't want to risk a power surge despite using a so-called "protected" power board, never say never - so the battery is permanently trickle charged. Very occasionally I give it a birthday present and let it run down, but very rarely.
My iPad runs from Hero to Zero all the time, but when I put it on charge again at 2% remaining I also attach it to a timer for 4 hours, which from experience takes it just up to 100% again - then it disconnects.
I think it's all like diets, just do, or eat, that which you are comfortable with, Murphy will get you whatever you do. Makes no matter how hard you try. At my age I'll probable die of Ice Cream ( or chocolate ) before my battery runs out.
Not even going to discuss what I do with my Nokia, ignorant ( i.e. not Smart ) mobile phone.
My iPad runs from Hero to Zero all the time, but when I put it on charge again at 2% remaining I also attach it to a timer for 4 hours, which from experience takes it just up to 100% again - then it disconnects.
I think it's all like diets, just do, or eat, that which you are comfortable with, Murphy will get you whatever you do. Makes no matter how hard you try. At my age I'll probable die of Ice Cream ( or chocolate ) before my battery runs out.
Not even going to discuss what I do with my Nokia, ignorant ( i.e. not Smart ) mobile phone.
