Wishy-washy screen
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From: Walton on the Naze Essex.
Wishy-washy screen
I've mentioned this before, but tonight something gave a hint of what's going on. Vaio VPCF125FX on W7 64bit.
When it boots, the screen has 'hard' colours and looks like any other screen. Very shortly before the final booting moments, the screen switches to a wishy-washy feeble looking blue behind a mist of white. It's not that bad, but nowhere near as good as it was a moment before. I have switched from Nvidia settings to 'other programs' etc., after trying many times to adjust the Nvidia settings, but never get it just so. Just what is switching the 'normal' screen settings out and replacing them?
I don't think the darn auto brightness is messing with it to that extent and anyway, I doubt it would affect the colours in that way. I had another session with the BIOS - including a download - still allows no control of that aspect of the screen's characteristics.
NB All while this is going on, the barmy keyboard is still lighting up like a Christmas tree every time I touch it. There HAS to be a way to turn that off and indeed the variable screen brightness . . . doesn't there?
When it boots, the screen has 'hard' colours and looks like any other screen. Very shortly before the final booting moments, the screen switches to a wishy-washy feeble looking blue behind a mist of white. It's not that bad, but nowhere near as good as it was a moment before. I have switched from Nvidia settings to 'other programs' etc., after trying many times to adjust the Nvidia settings, but never get it just so. Just what is switching the 'normal' screen settings out and replacing them?
I don't think the darn auto brightness is messing with it to that extent and anyway, I doubt it would affect the colours in that way. I had another session with the BIOS - including a download - still allows no control of that aspect of the screen's characteristics.
NB All while this is going on, the barmy keyboard is still lighting up like a Christmas tree every time I touch it. There HAS to be a way to turn that off and indeed the variable screen brightness . . . doesn't there?
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For a first step, you could try calibrating the display. (just search "calibrate display" in the Start menu)
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change the theme?
Could this be the issue?
Control Panel
under Appearance and Personalisation heading
Change the Theme
There are pre-canned themes or you can change the details on your own.
It looks like this in the address bar "Control Panel\Appearance and Personalization\Personalization"
Obviously this stuff now moves about with every different version of windows. I am on Windows 7.
Also perhaps check that the screen resolution is set to the actual resolution of your screen which seems to be 1600x900.
Control Panel
under Appearance and Personalisation heading
Change the Theme
There are pre-canned themes or you can change the details on your own.
It looks like this in the address bar "Control Panel\Appearance and Personalization\Personalization"
Obviously this stuff now moves about with every different version of windows. I am on Windows 7.
Also perhaps check that the screen resolution is set to the actual resolution of your screen which seems to be 1600x900.
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From: Walton on the Naze Essex.
I did delve into Jim's logic trail, but while messing with this machine went to the S1 button for the umpteenth time. Picking the balloon that pops up from the Tray a bit sharpish, took me into a whole new world of control. Hooooooray! But so much of what I'd like to have a handle on is only obtainable by being in the menu system or programing this one button to do the job! What are they thinking?
Auto brightness is a tick box in a Display sub menu. I'll leave that off. I touch type, so don't need the keyboard to light up. Indeed, the keyboards I wrote my book with have very few letters left showing. (Flat Logitec OEMs) It's funny, but if I have to fill in a form or some-such, I revert to two fingers and have no idea where many of the letters are.
Okay, finding this a major step forward, but I would have liked a mute button to press in an instant. Another one I need at hand is the touch pad ON/OFF. One can program this one button to take you to one item or sub menu, so I'm out of luck if I want to choose quickly between two or three items. But at least, un-ticking the colour management system seems to stop that white mist descending.
A few steps in the right direction at last.
P.S. I've just switched back to the Nvidia control panel from "Any other application control settings." That now manages to maintain control whereas before any change made on that menu seemed to be lost to the Vaio control system. That would explain the last minute spoiling of the picture, I suppose.
The picture is now so 'strident' that I need to adjust the Wishy-washy slider up a bit.
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What are they thinking?Auto brightness is a tick box in a Display sub menu. I'll leave that off. I touch type, so don't need the keyboard to light up. Indeed, the keyboards I wrote my book with have very few letters left showing. (Flat Logitec OEMs) It's funny, but if I have to fill in a form or some-such, I revert to two fingers and have no idea where many of the letters are.
Okay, finding this a major step forward, but I would have liked a mute button to press in an instant. Another one I need at hand is the touch pad ON/OFF. One can program this one button to take you to one item or sub menu, so I'm out of luck if I want to choose quickly between two or three items. But at least, un-ticking the colour management system seems to stop that white mist descending.
A few steps in the right direction at last.
P.S. I've just switched back to the Nvidia control panel from "Any other application control settings." That now manages to maintain control whereas before any change made on that menu seemed to be lost to the Vaio control system. That would explain the last minute spoiling of the picture, I suppose.
The picture is now so 'strident' that I need to adjust the Wishy-washy slider up a bit.
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Agree totally,
Some sort of mixture always comes back with with a denigrating reply and offers nothing to help, plus some awful emoticon. Wisdom indeed.
He or she seems to thrive on this, but so sad for he/she.
Best of luck Loose.
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Some sort of mixture always comes back with with a denigrating reply and offers nothing to help, plus some awful emoticon. Wisdom indeed.
He or she seems to thrive on this, but so sad for he/she.
Best of luck Loose.
Kind regards
Exeng
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Mk1 eyeball?
For monitor calibration, there is only one real option. An external calibration device, attached to the computer that can provide an accurate and unbiased feedback loop.
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Let me know how you get on with a Farnsworth Munsell Hue Test.
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it was 2 and now its up to 5.
I found this out when some prat in the graphic design deptment had everyone running round the doors with a duff monitor.
I couldn't see a problem with it some could some couldn't.
Turned out we had a graphic designer who's hue's were defective.
This low score of mine had the so and so's turning up showing things.
Which coined me the phrase "I am IT which means I am more autistic than artistic now sod off."
I found this out when some prat in the graphic design deptment had everyone running round the doors with a duff monitor.
I couldn't see a problem with it some could some couldn't.
Turned out we had a graphic designer who's hue's were defective.
This low score of mine had the so and so's turning up showing things.
Which coined me the phrase "I am IT which means I am more autistic than artistic now sod off."
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From: Walton on the Naze Essex.
I wrote this, but then found I was entering the menu with one press. It seems the trap is to not have the correct menu called with the button, and then one relies on the balloon to get in. Disable that as well, and one is SOOL.
The big issue with this Sony VPCF125FX seems to be that one has to click on the balloon to access this S1 menu system. Indeed, that's why it took me so long to find it. One can turn that balloon off in the menu, but then I can find no way to get to the menu to turn it on again. Very, very strange.
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Farnsworth Munsel Test Score
(My PPruNe age is honest) - No problems with VASI Systems for CAT III
I scored 4.(Spelling is another matter) VASI is obsolete I hear you mutter and so is CAT III (the poster, not the ILS certification scheme)
The porolem here being; that factors like the ambinent light level (sunlight - a good day in Cambs), the monitor (a 2nd hand Flatron W1941S) flicker and the subjects ability to concentrate.
In truth I found the test quite hard: so no time for basking the pale light of my apparent success.
CAT III
I scored 4.(Spelling is another matter) VASI is obsolete I hear you mutter and so is CAT III (the poster, not the ILS certification scheme)
The porolem here being; that factors like the ambinent light level (sunlight - a good day in Cambs), the monitor (a 2nd hand Flatron W1941S) flicker and the subjects ability to concentrate.
In truth I found the test quite hard: so no time for basking the pale light of my apparent success.
CAT III
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the monitor and the subjects ability to concentrate.
It is of course not really possible to contemplate doing the Farnsworth unless you have a properly calibrated monitor in the first place. Hence the point about a hardware calibration device.
Same goes for concentration, hardware calibration takes about 3-4 minutes as the screen paces through various changes of colour and shades of black etc.... would probably take 10-20 minutes done manually and you'd be quite right to start getting bored towards the end and just clicking away.
Nonetheless, I wish Loose rivets the best of luck with the conundrum faced. Assuming its not a faulty connection or dodgy backlight, then it may be time to consider finding someone who can lend you a calibration device (if you know anyone who's into photography it shouldn't be too difficult .... any remotely serious photographer will have one in their kit bag !).
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From: Timbuktu
I got 3. Is that good? (proof) IPS Apple monitor with digital signal helps!
You're right Mixture, you cannot precisely calibrate a screen with only the eye. But I think you're missing the point, as for LR's purposes, where things seem to be grossly out of whack, I bet it's more than enough.
You're right Mixture, you cannot precisely calibrate a screen with only the eye. But I think you're missing the point, as for LR's purposes, where things seem to be grossly out of whack, I bet it's more than enough.
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Yes, it was a case of going to a dozen normal screens and then seeing this one and saying "What the heck is wrong with that?" Very noticeable. At least now - set to other applications having control - it's in the ballpark. I'm sure that selecting Nvidia again and playing with their adjustors, it would be possible to get it just as one wanted it. But Bog Standard will do for now.
