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Believe what you want. Take a minute to understand the bigger picture and you'll understand I'm not just posting on this thread to wind you up.
I've tried my best. I'm outta here. Enjoy your soap box.
Believe what you want. Take a minute to understand the bigger picture and you'll understand I'm not just posting on this thread to wind you up.
I've tried my best. I'm outta here. Enjoy your soap box.
I've just written a sneering snarling letter to TalkTalk expressing my 'gratitude' that they are increasing the monthly fee to £25 in order to support their aspiration to continuously provide me with an improving service. So IF YOU WORK IN TALKTALK CUSTOMER SERVICES AND ARE ASKED TO CALL ME: DON'T !
Actually I was thinking of switching to BT hence my interest in this thread.
Actually I was thinking of switching to BT hence my interest in this thread.
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I've been with BT since my then ISP refused to give me 56K access. Thanks to an active parish council and a couple of local businesses and lots of agitation from villagers we got an early implementation of rural broadband at 2Megs and a couple of years later it went up to 8Megs. I've only had the odd problem and they have always been sorted quickly and only 1 took more than a couple of days and that was a speed drop in the evenings which turned out to be a piece of faulty exchange equipment, and that took a week to get it replaced.
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I don't see why GG and Mixture have disagreed.
Oh, well, stuff happens.
Monopolies are in 99.999% of cases very bad things. That's why businesses love them, and it is why Trades Unions such as the BMA and BECTU exist.
BT do not have a monopoly around here. However, neither is there fierce competition. There might be if Virgin took an interest, but they do not.
The Openreach engineers who came around here trying to increase my speed some time ago had good words to say about Orange, but they are not now visible in the market.
Oh, well, stuff happens.
Monopolies are in 99.999% of cases very bad things. That's why businesses love them, and it is why Trades Unions such as the BMA and BECTU exist.
BT do not have a monopoly around here. However, neither is there fierce competition. There might be if Virgin took an interest, but they do not.
The Openreach engineers who came around here trying to increase my speed some time ago had good words to say about Orange, but they are not now visible in the market.
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Monopolies are in 99.999% of cases very bad things.
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Orange are no longer an option if you want an unbundled service.
They sold their exchange equipment and backhaul kit to BT a year or so ago, and now just resell BT services
Orange realised they didn't have economy of scale to compete as an ISP. I can forsee that their broadband service will eventually just become a convenience service for their mobile customers, and not offered as a standalone service
They sold their exchange equipment and backhaul kit to BT a year or so ago, and now just resell BT services
Orange realised they didn't have economy of scale to compete as an ISP. I can forsee that their broadband service will eventually just become a convenience service for their mobile customers, and not offered as a standalone service
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There might be if Virgin took an interest, but they do not.
If other operators, such as Virgin, were allowed access to BT's poles and ducts on more reasonable commercial and legal terms then there may be greater scope for competition in otherwise poorly served areas. Unfortunatley Ofcom has no teeth and BT have most likely have too much lobbying influence.
Anyhow, I promised not to contribute to this thread anymore. So I'm off for good !
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If you're in a rural area, you've two choices
get a mesh network set up
or go down this route with your own cables
needs the local farmers to be onboard though
B4RN.Org.uk - FTTH Broadband for the Rural North : Sponsored By Carrera IT Ltd
get a mesh network set up
or go down this route with your own cables
needs the local farmers to be onboard though
B4RN.Org.uk - FTTH Broadband for the Rural North : Sponsored By Carrera IT Ltd
Just as Cochrane described.
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I'm sure thats why they were so quick off the mark with the contract with Lancashire County Council to provide rural broadband in the remote villages.
Too late I think though - it looks like B4RN will take off.
Too late I think though - it looks like B4RN will take off.
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Recent 4G tests in the UK (Cornwall and Cumbria) have produced broadband speeds circa 60MB over a wireless network. Even achieving half that speed is better than the average UK broadband speed.
When the launch of 4G arrives in September 2012 watch the likes of BT panic as users who have suffered their inadequate service for years finally get an option to kick its broadband and landlines into touch.
You may not get it in September, but its coming to a mobile near you...
LTE (telecommunication) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
When the launch of 4G arrives in September 2012 watch the likes of BT panic as users who have suffered their inadequate service for years finally get an option to kick its broadband and landlines into touch.
You may not get it in September, but its coming to a mobile near you...
LTE (telecommunication) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Whatever fixes and fiddles BT do to make their wires work with broadband will be simple compared to what the mobile companies do. I'd bet on the very old idea that you will pay for what you get. The mobile co.s are experts at pricing systems that require 4 D spreadsheets to understand them.
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Anyway, it is (or was?) 9.1km "as the cable runs" from the router in my house to the DSLAM in the Exchange in Bracknell town centre.
It is also 200yds/metres to the nearest roadside cab, which is in BT's plans to be FTTC enabled *WHEN* BT pull their finger out and stop delaying deployment in Bracknell (which was originally slated for 2009 and is now projected at 2013...or rather "current year +1" as it has been since 2009).
In 2001 I wasn't able to get broadband due to the 'whoosh' test reporting a cable length of 9.1km. I was finally able to get ADSL in 2006 (and dump my expensive WDSL service) when RADSL came into being. I am not yet getting Infinity, and am stuck at 3.1mbit/s ADSL (G.992.5)
Does that explain things slightly more clearly?
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Yes. I guess all along you would have been connected to the 200yd away cabinet. At 200yds you will probably see at least 30-35mb down (when................
) providing all your local loop is in good fettle. Interesting 'history' there you quote of 'enablement' - probably the worst slippage I have seen.
The current 3.1 is typical of a long feed length from the exchange.
.....and you have to hope BT will be doing YOUR cabinet...............
) providing all your local loop is in good fettle. Interesting 'history' there you quote of 'enablement' - probably the worst slippage I have seen.The current 3.1 is typical of a long feed length from the exchange.
.....and you have to hope BT will be doing YOUR cabinet...............
Tabs please !
If other operators, such as Virgin, were allowed access to BT's poles and ducts on more reasonable commercial and legal terms
Mike-Bracknell, out of curiosity, at what speed does your modem sync up ? I'm not talking about the throughput but the speed at which the device is connected. You will have to access that info on your router's setup page.
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They enjoy more favourable terms than BT have in accessing Virgin Media's infrastructure.
Mike-Bracknell, out of curiosity, at what speed does your modem sync up ? I'm not talking about the throughput but the speed at which the device is connected. You will have to access that info on your router's setup page.
Mike-Bracknell, out of curiosity, at what speed does your modem sync up ? I'm not talking about the throughput but the speed at which the device is connected. You will have to access that info on your router's setup page.
Here's my sync history: The 3 end columns are downstream sync at session start, at session end, and average. Funnily enough they're all the same...can't think why
03/06/2012 04:01:08 - 06/06/2012 21:42:28 3009 Still Connected 3009
28/05/2012 15:19:17 - 03/06/2012 04:00:08 3041 3041 3041
28/05/2012 11:41:13 - 28/05/2012 15:18:29 3041 3041 3041
27/05/2012 04:01:08 - 28/05/2012 11:40:03 3072 3072 3072
24/05/2012 10:20:50 - 27/05/2012 04:00:07 3103 3103 3103
22/05/2012 08:54:37 - 24/05/2012 10:19:41 3103 3103 3103
22/05/2012 08:45:31 - 22/05/2012 08:54:29 3103 3103 3103
20/05/2012 09:33:49 - 22/05/2012 08:17:46 3009 3009 3009
20/05/2012 04:01:09 - 20/05/2012 09:33:07 2951 2951 2951
19/05/2012 12:02:21 - 20/05/2012 04:00:10 2951 2951 2951
19/05/2012 12:01:09 - 19/05/2012 12:01:21 2978 2978 2978
19/05/2012 11:28:01 - 19/05/2012 12:00:09 2978 2978 2978
15/05/2012 23:09:36 - 19/05/2012 11:26:42 2951 2951 2951
20/04/2012 23:42:22 - 15/05/2012 23:08:18 3013 3013 3013
20/04/2012 23:34:33 - 20/04/2012 23:41:21 3013 3013 3013
20/04/2012 19:36:46 - 20/04/2012 23:33:23 3013 3013 3013
19/04/2012 01:59:05 - 20/04/2012 19:35:10 3169 3169 3169
19/04/2012 01:56:36 - 19/04/2012 01:58:55 3169 3169 3169
19/04/2012 01:54:55 - 19/04/2012 01:56:28 3169 3169 3169
14/04/2012 05:18:13 - 18/04/2012 21:43:23 2916 2916 2916
05/04/2012 01:38:00 - 14/04/2012 05:14:51 2916 2916 2916
30/03/2012 12:04:58 - 05/04/2012 00:22:57 2916 2916 2916
22/03/2012 16:21:17 - 30/03/2012 11:14:25 2916 2916 2916
22/03/2012 03:12:22 - 22/03/2012 16:16:47 2916 2916 2916
15/03/2012 19:10:11 - 22/03/2012 00:14:06 2951 2951 2951
12/03/2012 08:25:21 - 15/03/2012 19:08:54 1732 1732 1732
07/03/2012 21:08:49 - 12/03/2012 08:24:21 3076 3076 3076
05/03/2012 12:32:32 - 07/03/2012 21:07:06 3013 3013 3013
20/02/2012 08:56:33 - 05/03/2012 12:31:33 3201 3201 3201
15/02/2012 09:27:12 - 20/02/2012 08:55:44 2827 2827 2827
28/01/2012 16:03:27 - 15/02/2012 09:26:22 2791 2791 2791
24/01/2012 22:51:31 - 28/01/2012 16:02:42 2729 2729 2729
23/01/2012 13:04:51 - 24/01/2012 17:30:46 2854 2854 2854
23/01/2012 12:22:38 - 23/01/2012 13:03:59 2823 2823 2823
20/01/2012 14:56:19 - 23/01/2012 12:21:28 2791 2791 2791
20/01/2012 14:52:17 - 20/01/2012 14:56:11 2791 2791 2791
17/01/2012 13:19:50 - 20/01/2012 14:46:33 2515 2515 2515
13/01/2012 22:15:04 - 17/01/2012 13:19:05 2417 2417 2417
13/01/2012 01:12:13 - 13/01/2012 22:13:52 2480 2480 2480
11/01/2012 16:56:48 - 13/01/2012 01:11:02 2702 2702 2702
11/01/2012 12:28:41 - 11/01/2012 16:55:56 2854 2854 2854
10/01/2012 12:22:30 - 11/01/2012 12:27:53 2854 2854 2854
07/01/2012 14:15:59 - 10/01/2012 12:21:38 2515 2515 2515
07/01/2012 10:28:05 - 07/01/2012 14:15:01 2823 2823 2823
05/01/2012 14:26:28 - 07/01/2012 10:27:06 2791 2791 2791
23/12/2011 08:31:11 - 05/01/2012 11:59:23 2729 2729 2729
22/12/2011 19:46:36 - 23/12/2011 08:30:25 2542 2542 2542
22/12/2011 17:09:24 - 22/12/2011 19:45:49 2542 2542 2542
21/12/2011 08:34:47 - 22/12/2011 17:08:05 2480 2480 2480
16/12/2011 13:09:09 - 21/12/2011 08:28:59 2480 2480 2480
Tabs please !
Cheers Mike,
Your modem will be synced at a higher speed which is a different parameter than the throughput which I think is what you are looking at.
For example, I live out in the wilds and my modem syncs at 4500Kbps and have a 3600Kbps service on a zero errored second count measured over several days. There are 2 cabs between me and the exchange so it's not bad in the circumstances.
Your modem will be synced at a higher speed which is a different parameter than the throughput which I think is what you are looking at.
For example, I live out in the wilds and my modem syncs at 4500Kbps and have a 3600Kbps service on a zero errored second count measured over several days. There are 2 cabs between me and the exchange so it's not bad in the circumstances.
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Cheers Mike,
Your modem will be synced at a higher speed which is a different parameter than the throughput which I think is what you are looking at.
For example, I live out in the wilds and my modem syncs at 4500Kbps and have a 3600Kbps service on a zero errored second count measured over several days. There are 2 cabs between me and the exchange so it's not bad in the circumstances.
Your modem will be synced at a higher speed which is a different parameter than the throughput which I think is what you are looking at.
For example, I live out in the wilds and my modem syncs at 4500Kbps and have a 3600Kbps service on a zero errored second count measured over several days. There are 2 cabs between me and the exchange so it's not bad in the circumstances.