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Old 5th Mar 2012, 00:02
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strictly you wold not be licenced to use it, for as you say - its only a one-user pack. The idea is you have one copy on your PC, one on your laptop, one on your notebook, but at any one time you would only ever be likely to use one at a time..

In reality there is no technical reason to stop you using it on far sides of the Atlantic simultaneously. I can't say more without breaching this sites TOS

If you need to recover the product key because you can't find the cert of authenticity key, Google "magical jelly bean"
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I've more or less accepted I'll have to relinquish my daughter's program because she will need it for the laptop that replaces the one I loaned her, but how do I legalize/pay for the download from the link you've suggested?

I've had a look at it and of course it's asking for the key as per normal.

Amazon seem to be selling keys/booklets, but they are virtually the same price as bigger packs. Nothing seems to make sense on the pricing of these things.
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The idea is you have one copy on your PC, one on your laptop, one on your notebook, but at any one time you would only ever be likely to use one at a time..


That's a breach of license anyway.

Its .... ONE Desktop and ONE laptop.

You may install a copy on a portable device for use by the single primary user of the licensed device.
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Old 5th Mar 2012, 16:43
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This is the one that led me to believe otherwise.


Ah, I see link won't let us go there directly, but it was Amazon\software\office and there it was 3PC/ one user.

Wife and I really need 3 user, so I'm interested in finding out the truth. They wouldn't differentiate between a man and his wife . . . would they?

So darn confusing. Makes me want to throw the PCs away and buy a box of crayons.


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From the MSLT for Office 2010

12. HOME AND STUDENT SOFTWARE. For software marked “Home and Student” edition, you may install one copy of the software on up to three licensed devices in your household for use by people for whom that is their primary residence. The software may not be used for commercial, non- profit, or revenue-generating activities.
You may also wish to find out whether your and your wife's employer participates in the Home Use Program, as that might be an alternative cheap and legal way of getting hold of a couple of copies of office for home.

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Do you really need MS Office? Personally, I use the free OpenOffice - it does everything MS Office does (apart from the high level functions of Access), is regularly updated and reads and writes all MS Office formats. When sufficient users switch, MS may come into the real world as regards installation and pricing

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personally, I use the free OpenOffice - it does everything MS Office does (apart from the high level functions of Access)
Allow me to rephrase that for you Sir.

"it does everything that I do in MS Office"

There are limitations in OpenOffice (beyond whatever Access items you allude to). Its just a case that you are not aware of them because you don't use that specific functionality.

Believe me, I've seen tightwad IT managers attempt to deploy OpenOffice organisation wide so that they can continue licking the Financial Director's backside because they are "saving money". Within less than 48 hours, Microsoft Office was redeployed and the IT manager shown the door due to people in revenue generating positions being unable to use the functionality they need (or finding the OpenOffice functionality too limited or incompatible).

When sufficient users switch, MS may come into the real world as regards installation and pricing
Total nonsense.

You fail to comprehend Microsoft marketshare, in particular their business marketshare.

You fail to comprehend, for example, the relationship between Microsoft Outlook and Microsoft Exchange, and hence the sales of Office that derive from that.

Office is not going anywhere any time soon, and I'm fairly confident you'll find Microsoft are not quaking in their boots about Open Orifice.

Price points on Microsoft office are a lot better than they used to be. Nor can you argue against the good value of the "Home & Student" license for three PCs as highlighted above (this never existed a few years ago, only the Student license).

Similarly, if people fail to take advantage of OEM licensing when they buy a new PC then they've only got themselves to blame when buying add-ons at a later date.
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Old 5th Mar 2012, 18:28
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Thanks for clarifying that for us. However:

You may also wish to find out whether your and your wife's employer

Don't I wish. With a summed age of 138 years, not too many people are banging on our door.

I wonder what would happen if I did manage to sell my book. Against all odds, I know, but what if? Would they then be able to say I'd used if for commercial use? Unlikely it will be put to the test.


I'm a WP8 devotee. Just a comfy cardigan for me. However, the final edit must be done in MS Word, to be quite sure of the layout when it hit's the agent's screen. There's a lot of it, and a rewrite would probably have to be done posthumously.
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"final edit must be done in MS Word,"

Surprised at that - I'd have though they would have wanted Publisher, not Word

Just think yourself lucky its not a real old-style academic publishing house demanding it in LaTeX.
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Mmm . . . they'd have got it in red crayon.


However, some want one file and not in chapters. Others, one .pdf file. One has to bend to the requirements of the agents these days, and they seem to vary enormously.
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Amazing how technology has improved really......back in 1985 I was part of a team which put together an 800 page sales catalogue. At the time others heralded it as the "first computer typeset book which integrated graphics and text"..."the way forward in technology"
When I think how we did it, I shudder.
The database of products and prices was pulled from a Cromemco Unix system.
Graphics were done by using a primitive chemical 2-D line-drawing program, on an early PC with no hard drive
Descriptive text was input onto an Apple Mac II, on which text / graphics integration also took place
We were lucky in having an extremely accurate typist, so that proof reading found few errors. But even so, it was incredibly difficult, and to this day I'm amazed we made it work. This was in the early days of personal computers , where no thought had been given to cross-platform compatibility. It still amazes me that - at that stage - it was possible to pull the three computer system together to produce a coherent whole. Its a shame the chap who was the brains behind ti never got the recognition he deserved
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