The Time has come...
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The Time has come...
No, nothing to do with 'Rapture' or walruses...
McAfee has informed me that my subscription to McAfee Total Protection runs out on 18June and they would like to relieve me of 89.90 dollars to renew it - I think not.
Have previously noted comments from Mike_Bracknell and others that MS Firewall and MS Security Essentials would be a suitable replacement. Does that advice still hold true ?
Windows XP Home SP3, IE8 and run SuperAntiSpyWare on a daily scan basis, all patched up-to-date. Run Housecall/FSBL/MBAM every week or so and ShieldsUp! every so often. (also run as limited user, reserving admin function for installing apps)
As I see it, I would download MS-Sec-Essentials to desktop, disconnect from Internet, remove McAfee with removal tool, install MS Sec Essentials, ensure MS Firewall turned on and reconnect to Internet and away we go.
MS advise not to run any other AV products simultaneously but is that only during install of MS Sec-Ess ? and if not, which AV product would the team advise in addition to Security Essentials.
Appreciate your comments.
DD
McAfee has informed me that my subscription to McAfee Total Protection runs out on 18June and they would like to relieve me of 89.90 dollars to renew it - I think not.
Have previously noted comments from Mike_Bracknell and others that MS Firewall and MS Security Essentials would be a suitable replacement. Does that advice still hold true ?
Windows XP Home SP3, IE8 and run SuperAntiSpyWare on a daily scan basis, all patched up-to-date. Run Housecall/FSBL/MBAM every week or so and ShieldsUp! every so often. (also run as limited user, reserving admin function for installing apps)
As I see it, I would download MS-Sec-Essentials to desktop, disconnect from Internet, remove McAfee with removal tool, install MS Sec Essentials, ensure MS Firewall turned on and reconnect to Internet and away we go.
MS advise not to run any other AV products simultaneously but is that only during install of MS Sec-Ess ? and if not, which AV product would the team advise in addition to Security Essentials.
Appreciate your comments.
DD
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Your approach is sound.
AFAIK, you can download MSE for an offline install (although you should get online ASAP afterwards to download latest updates / virus defs.).
You should only have one AV and one anti-malware program running. In the case of MSE, it combines both, but I would not try to run any other AV / AM program in addition to it.
SD
AFAIK, you can download MSE for an offline install (although you should get online ASAP afterwards to download latest updates / virus defs.).
You should only have one AV and one anti-malware program running. In the case of MSE, it combines both, but I would not try to run any other AV / AM program in addition to it.
SD
Supplementary Q...
.....SD. Are you saying that if I have Avast! and Malwarebytes that I don't need to run Windows Defender as well? Or Windows Firewall?
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MS Security Essentials should be used as the only realtime AV scanner on your PC (and to clarify SD's statement above, it's this which is crucial you don't have more than 1 of, as they fight each other). It's highly advised to install the free version of Malwarebytes as that doesn't have a realtime component and hence doesn't interact badly with any other AV program, and it's extremely good at ridding systems after an attack. You should also use the Windows firewall as this completes the set of protection. You shouldn't however need Windows Defender, but as explained above it doesn't have any realtime scanning portion and hence can coexist with other things if you so desire.
You won't be 100% protected, but then nobody is 100% protected, but you'll give yourself the best chance of finding a virus or malware, the best chance of eradicating one if it gets onto your PC, and most noticeably of all the best experience of your PC whilst it's operating properly
(and apologies to everyone for the dictatorial nature of the above, but it's the quickest way of getting the message across!)
You won't be 100% protected, but then nobody is 100% protected, but you'll give yourself the best chance of finding a virus or malware, the best chance of eradicating one if it gets onto your PC, and most noticeably of all the best experience of your PC whilst it's operating properly
(and apologies to everyone for the dictatorial nature of the above, but it's the quickest way of getting the message across!)
Thus spake SD:
Encouraged by earlier favorable comments in this board I installed this program on one of my laptops a few weeks back.
Yes, the first statement is correct, and once installed, the program will update to the latest definitions etc. by itself.
It's all good so far, and I have a strong feeling that the machine is faster than before.
Thanks for your encouragement to go this way.
F-O-R
AFAIK, you can download MSE for an offline install (although you should get online ASAP afterwards to download latest updates / virus defs.).
Yes, the first statement is correct, and once installed, the program will update to the latest definitions etc. by itself.
It's all good so far, and I have a strong feeling that the machine is faster than before.
Thanks for your encouragement to go this way.
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I've been running McAfee for years now and it has been excellent but I don't like paying for something when I can get the equivalent for free.
So like F-O-R, encouraged by the posts above, I've uninstalled McAfee from one of my laptops and installed MSE. No problems at all. The only thing I would add is that I didn't do the restart to complete the McAfee uninstall but then installed the MSE and let the restart at the end of that clear everything up. Which it did.
So like F-O-R, encouraged by the posts above, I've uninstalled McAfee from one of my laptops and installed MSE. No problems at all. The only thing I would add is that I didn't do the restart to complete the McAfee uninstall but then installed the MSE and let the restart at the end of that clear everything up. Which it did.
Thanks MB...
.....I shall have an inward digest of those facts. I also took a look at the cnet site where they seemed to think that MSE could slow down one's computer, which seems slightly at odds with F-O-R's experience. I suppose I could download it, try it for a bit and if it doesn't seem to suit I can bin it and come back to what I have now. (Hopefully with nothing lost)
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That's a good idea, for although I had saved some permalinks from previous threads there was no searchable concise solution to my queries.
There may well be others who are hesitant to take the leap otherwise.
Supplementary question - can/should I still run SuperAntiSpyWare as a one-off daily scan ? It may have been a function of McAfee deficiency or S-A-S-Ware efficiency but SASW always found 12-20 tracking cookies a day, mostly removed/quarantined without a re-boot.
Thanks for the confidence boost - the way forward is clear !
(as a reinforcement to frequent advice to run only as limited user - I haven't had a virus/trojan in 10years ) - touch wood..
Thanks for all the advice/comments
DD
There may well be others who are hesitant to take the leap otherwise.
Supplementary question - can/should I still run SuperAntiSpyWare as a one-off daily scan ? It may have been a function of McAfee deficiency or S-A-S-Ware efficiency but SASW always found 12-20 tracking cookies a day, mostly removed/quarantined without a re-boot.
Thanks for the confidence boost - the way forward is clear !
(as a reinforcement to frequent advice to run only as limited user - I haven't had a virus/trojan in 10years ) - touch wood..
Thanks for all the advice/comments
DD
Last edited by daved123; 7th Jun 2011 at 20:03. Reason: Added thanks.
Yes, keep using SAS as none of them are perfect & have different strengths & weaknesses. Holes in the cheese.....
Tracking cookies aren't a direct security threat (unlike a virus or Trojan) as they're just plain text so can't do anything to your computer. They can pose a privacy risk as they allow tracking of your browsing habits across multiple web sites. Whether they're treated as a threat or not is more a question of security philosophy. A straight anti-virus program will probably ignore them while an anti-malware program will probably handle them. On the scale of things they're very low risk.
Tracking cookies aren't a direct security threat (unlike a virus or Trojan) as they're just plain text so can't do anything to your computer. They can pose a privacy risk as they allow tracking of your browsing habits across multiple web sites. Whether they're treated as a threat or not is more a question of security philosophy. A straight anti-virus program will probably ignore them while an anti-malware program will probably handle them. On the scale of things they're very low risk.
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I run AVG Free Edition every two days and MalWareBytes once a week, no problems, no complaints. In the past year AVG has picked up most threats and MalWareBytes six threats that slipped past AVG.
Also have a few filters set up in my WiMax system, and use OpenDNS.
If you have the ability to see how many attacks come in on broadband, you would too.
Also have a few filters set up in my WiMax system, and use OpenDNS.
If you have the ability to see how many attacks come in on broadband, you would too.
Download this free 90-day trial of Norton Internet Security 2011 and see how you like it: Partner Store ING
Don't believe any horror stories about Norton being a resource hog and a nightmare to remove, that information is a few years out-of-date.
Much as I want to love MSE, we've seen a high rate of them returning with viruses recently. I do not recall a compromised Norton system this year.
Don't believe any horror stories about Norton being a resource hog and a nightmare to remove, that information is a few years out-of-date.
Much as I want to love MSE, we've seen a high rate of them returning with viruses recently. I do not recall a compromised Norton system this year.
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Tracking cookies aren't a direct security threat (unlike a virus or Trojan) as they're just plain text so can't do anything to your computer. They can pose a privacy risk as they allow tracking of your browsing habits across multiple web sites.
You could of course just use the "Only from sites I visit - Block cookies from third parties and advertisers" settings in your browser.
Interesting that I've had PCs with Norton, McAffee and Kaspersky with infections, but none with MSE. I prefer it to AVG which, I've found, does slow things down (particularly when it's scanning).
It is very interesting hearing the experiences of others. At the end of the day a lot of it probably boils down to user habits and luck.
I can only go off my own experiences in the field (likely to be different from others though). Going in order of best to worst of your list:
1) Norton
2) Kaspersky
3) MSE
4) McAfee
5) AVG
I think the problem with MSE and AVG is a lot of the time the user is not running a firewall or is only running a one-way Windows/hardware firewall. Firewalls are a pretty important part of preventing viruses, some people don't realise that unfortunately.
It's fair to say AVG is pretty much reviled in our shop these days, rubbish detection rates, a tendency to break every five minutes and you have to remove the damn thing to run ComboFix.
I can only go off my own experiences in the field (likely to be different from others though). Going in order of best to worst of your list:
1) Norton
2) Kaspersky
3) MSE
4) McAfee
5) AVG
I think the problem with MSE and AVG is a lot of the time the user is not running a firewall or is only running a one-way Windows/hardware firewall. Firewalls are a pretty important part of preventing viruses, some people don't realise that unfortunately.
It's fair to say AVG is pretty much reviled in our shop these days, rubbish detection rates, a tendency to break every five minutes and you have to remove the damn thing to run ComboFix.
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The whole point of this thread is to protect yourself as well as possible FOR FREE.
The products I have the most experience with, Norton Internet Security and ESET Smart Security both feature automatic two-way firewalls which are very effective for the average user. I'd rather risk meddling up my outgoings (easily resettable) than risk a virus dial home unchallenged.
Free protection is a false economy. You might get a decent AV product (MSE) but the popular free firewalls (ZoneAlarm/PC Tools) are too complicated for the average user and prone to messing up.
Free protection is a false economy. You might get a decent AV product (MSE) but the popular free firewalls (ZoneAlarm/PC Tools) are too complicated for the average user and prone to messing up.