iPhone 4 vs Galaxy vs torch
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I had to workaround a bug on a Samsung Galaxy S recently. You can't sync the phone with an Exchange calendar without first having created a google calendar on the device. This is with the latest firmware (which by other accounts seems to have fixed some of the other issues with the device). Hence, on this device I would say my experiences are "the use of the device is great, but configuring it is a PITA".
iPhone 4 - marvellous UI, bit pricey though, and evangelised about by morons in black rollnecks.
Torch - don't know anyone with one
iPhone 4 - marvellous UI, bit pricey though, and evangelised about by morons in black rollnecks.
Torch - don't know anyone with one
Android is clearly the way forward. I replaced my rubbish Motorola DEXT with the Galaxy S and it is a brilliant phone! I have had mine since August, £30 a month for 16 months (first two months were free without any annoying cashback deals) on Vodafone UK.
There is lots of free software (unlike apple where anything good must be paid for). It is easy to root (jailbreak) and easy to install custom firmware. Do this if you want to install unauthorised software (I don't mean illegal, just not google certified) and it will run much faster and look better than Samsung's original firmware.
It has a scratch proof screen that works, in my current job it gets shoved in my pocket with a bunch of keys and the screen still looks brand new. The back is not scratch proof, but case-mate make a very slim but effective case for it. It is very easy to use and works well.
I don't use exchange so I cant comment on these problems, but all in all, a very good phone. Only thing it misses is a camera flash, 9.5/10!
There is lots of free software (unlike apple where anything good must be paid for). It is easy to root (jailbreak) and easy to install custom firmware. Do this if you want to install unauthorised software (I don't mean illegal, just not google certified) and it will run much faster and look better than Samsung's original firmware.
It has a scratch proof screen that works, in my current job it gets shoved in my pocket with a bunch of keys and the screen still looks brand new. The back is not scratch proof, but case-mate make a very slim but effective case for it. It is very easy to use and works well.
I don't use exchange so I cant comment on these problems, but all in all, a very good phone. Only thing it misses is a camera flash, 9.5/10!
I looked in to this for daughter's phone and for mine.
As someone pointed out, it depends on what you want the phone for, and how rich you are feeling.
Daughter got the Galaxy S - it is so much more flexible than the Apple, and in the UK it is cheaper,too.
You can have spare batteries. You can increase the memory.
As someone else has said, the Android apps tend to be lower cost. There are now plenty of free ones to download.
Negatives about the Samsung experience .
1. The Kies soft ware can be very fussy. I do not log in to our pcs as an admin., but the Kies software only works when you log in as admin. If you play around with the Samsung too much, the software might not recognise it.
2. There are a number of ways of connecting with pcs. I connected once as a mass storage device to download lots of music to a micro storage thingy in the phone.. To connect to Kies now, I have to take out the full micro storage thingy and put in an empty one. Daft.
The software is supposed to update via Kies. Mine won't. Dunno why. I do not know what I am missing. I do know that the BBC iplayer will not work on my older software. Shame.
3. There are no helpful "Samsung" stores. If you take a broken Apple to an Apple store, at least you get a (nearly) human being to talk to.
Despite all this negative stuff, I bought a Samsung Apollo for me. Works fine. It is the cheapskate's version of the Galaxy S.
As someone pointed out, it depends on what you want the phone for, and how rich you are feeling.
Daughter got the Galaxy S - it is so much more flexible than the Apple, and in the UK it is cheaper,too.
You can have spare batteries. You can increase the memory.
As someone else has said, the Android apps tend to be lower cost. There are now plenty of free ones to download.
Negatives about the Samsung experience .
1. The Kies soft ware can be very fussy. I do not log in to our pcs as an admin., but the Kies software only works when you log in as admin. If you play around with the Samsung too much, the software might not recognise it.
2. There are a number of ways of connecting with pcs. I connected once as a mass storage device to download lots of music to a micro storage thingy in the phone.. To connect to Kies now, I have to take out the full micro storage thingy and put in an empty one. Daft.
The software is supposed to update via Kies. Mine won't. Dunno why. I do not know what I am missing. I do know that the BBC iplayer will not work on my older software. Shame.
3. There are no helpful "Samsung" stores. If you take a broken Apple to an Apple store, at least you get a (nearly) human being to talk to.
Despite all this negative stuff, I bought a Samsung Apollo for me. Works fine. It is the cheapskate's version of the Galaxy S.
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It's another thumbs up for the Android option from me. The iPhone is triumph of marketing over functionality and the Blackberry is a bit formal.
Thanks to the open source nature of the OS, Android looks set to give the user real freedom of choice as to how they use their device rather than trying to control it as the other players seem intent on doing.
Incidentally, I have an HTC Desire HD and can't fault either the hardware of the HTC Sense front end.
I notice you didn't mention the Windows Phone 7 option, but then it's not worthy of mention as it's so truly horrible.
Thanks to the open source nature of the OS, Android looks set to give the user real freedom of choice as to how they use their device rather than trying to control it as the other players seem intent on doing.
Incidentally, I have an HTC Desire HD and can't fault either the hardware of the HTC Sense front end.
I notice you didn't mention the Windows Phone 7 option, but then it's not worthy of mention as it's so truly horrible.
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Re: iPhone 4
Seriously guys. All this OS war malarky that has been going on at PPRuNe is not really befitting to such a forum.
Can we please try to leave our pet OS war hates at the door ?
Yes the iPhone is "slightly pricey", but you get what you pay for, i.e :
- The "marvellous UI" that MB alludes to... which is easy to use, stable and robust and doesn't need hacking or complex configuration to work.
- Excellent build quality.
If you just want a phone for making calls, get a cheap no-frills back-to-basics Nokia model. If you want more features, an iPhone is an excellent device.
evangelised about by morons in black rollnecks.
even with the previously stated poncey appley ponciness
even with the previously stated poncey appley ponciness
Can we please try to leave our pet OS war hates at the door ?
Yes the iPhone is "slightly pricey", but you get what you pay for, i.e :
- The "marvellous UI" that MB alludes to... which is easy to use, stable and robust and doesn't need hacking or complex configuration to work.
- Excellent build quality.
If you just want a phone for making calls, get a cheap no-frills back-to-basics Nokia model. If you want more features, an iPhone is an excellent device.
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Seriously guys. All this OS war malarky that has been going on at PPRuNe is not really befitting to such a forum.
Can we please try to leave our pet OS war hates at the door ?
Yes the iPhone is "slightly pricey", but you get what you pay for, i.e :
- The "marvellous UI" that MB alludes to... which is easy to use, stable and robust and doesn't need hacking or complex configuration to work.
- Excellent build quality.
If you just want a phone for making calls, get a cheap no-frills back-to-basics Nokia model. If you want more features, an iPhone is an excellent device.
Can we please try to leave our pet OS war hates at the door ?
Yes the iPhone is "slightly pricey", but you get what you pay for, i.e :
- The "marvellous UI" that MB alludes to... which is easy to use, stable and robust and doesn't need hacking or complex configuration to work.
- Excellent build quality.
If you just want a phone for making calls, get a cheap no-frills back-to-basics Nokia model. If you want more features, an iPhone is an excellent device.
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you can't deny that there are morons in black rollnecks
Maybe they all live in Bracknell... how's the rollneck fitting Mike ?
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My Blackberry contract is up soon & I'll be looking for a new phone. The BB is ok, a bit starchy on the ui & the maps are truly dreadful, but I bought it for business use & I can't fault it for the push email on the move.
I've thought about an Iphone before, but don't fancy the proprietary connections, no flash, no battery swapping, Itunes, the cost etc.
Funny that if you biy practically any consumer product from a telly to a car, you get to try it first, but not a phone. Can't help but feel the phone resellers are missing a trick with that.
I've thought about an Iphone before, but don't fancy the proprietary connections, no flash, no battery swapping, Itunes, the cost etc.
Funny that if you biy practically any consumer product from a telly to a car, you get to try it first, but not a phone. Can't help but feel the phone resellers are missing a trick with that.
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For instance (with BIS):
- the push mail is simply a 15 minute screen-scrape from your webmail server
- your phone operator keeps your domain login details
- your personal mail gets passed through your phone operator's servers
- every so often, including if you have intermittent internet connectivity to your server, your clients ALL need to re-validate themselves against the service
ergo it's not really push mail and verging on not fit for purpose.
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Unfortunatley I'm going to have to agree with Mike-Bracknell for once... 
BIS is nasty. BES is the way to go, and little excuse not to these days given that it's available legally free for a small number of users with all the same functionality, just fewer IT policies (which the average SME won't miss anyway).
BIS is nasty. BES is the way to go, and little excuse not to these days given that it's available legally free for a small number of users with all the same functionality, just fewer IT policies (which the average SME won't miss anyway).
