Quantum leap query...Win98 to Win7..please
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AO,
Thanks for that bit of info.....much appreciated.....
Hellsbrink.......just about summates matters nicely.....
The issue with BT is the way the message was conveyed, the offer to use a browser optimised ( their words ) for BT / Yahell / IE8....which even I know to avoid....and the little matter of having no net access once they pull the plug as it where....the last little detail tends to focus the mind somewhat.
Hence my query....as with anything I don't understand or am unsure of I ask questions from a variety of sources.....same principle as maintaining aircraft applies here.....and thus find out more.....and learn.
BEagles experience with Livemail was one of many such I have read about in the criticisms of Win7 and its always interesting to hear about peoples problems directly rather than from a review hence another piece of the jigsaw for me, albeit by accident rather than design..but very relevant and hence welcome.
Thanks for that bit of info.....much appreciated.....
Hellsbrink.......just about summates matters nicely.....
The issue with BT is the way the message was conveyed, the offer to use a browser optimised ( their words ) for BT / Yahell / IE8....which even I know to avoid....and the little matter of having no net access once they pull the plug as it where....the last little detail tends to focus the mind somewhat.
Hence my query....as with anything I don't understand or am unsure of I ask questions from a variety of sources.....same principle as maintaining aircraft applies here.....and thus find out more.....and learn.
BEagles experience with Livemail was one of many such I have read about in the criticisms of Win7 and its always interesting to hear about peoples problems directly rather than from a review hence another piece of the jigsaw for me, albeit by accident rather than design..but very relevant and hence welcome.
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This seems like a storm in a teacup to me. An ISP is an ISP, it supplies data down a phone line, the o/s & browser at the other end is pretty irrelevant to me.
Having said that, running win 98 and god knows what browser - IE3, Netscape or some other superannuated piece of history probably puts you firmly in the hijacked end of the spectrum - I certainly wouldn't be keen to do my online banking on something that ancient.
So were it me, I'd be on for new machine - I seriously doubt a ten year old pc would be capable of running any contemporary o/s with any degree of fluency, then as for shifting data, bookmarks, email accounts etc across from one to another, it's simplicity itself - if I couldn't manage it, I would ask a passing 13 year old for help. This guff about arrogant BT & Yahell - presumably Yahoo is itself a form of ignorance and seems a bit too touchy to me - I'm just surprised a rant about premier league footballers wasn't tacked on the end. Buy a new pc & get on with it!
Having said that, running win 98 and god knows what browser - IE3, Netscape or some other superannuated piece of history probably puts you firmly in the hijacked end of the spectrum - I certainly wouldn't be keen to do my online banking on something that ancient.
So were it me, I'd be on for new machine - I seriously doubt a ten year old pc would be capable of running any contemporary o/s with any degree of fluency, then as for shifting data, bookmarks, email accounts etc across from one to another, it's simplicity itself - if I couldn't manage it, I would ask a passing 13 year old for help. This guff about arrogant BT & Yahell - presumably Yahoo is itself a form of ignorance and seems a bit too touchy to me - I'm just surprised a rant about premier league footballers wasn't tacked on the end. Buy a new pc & get on with it!
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Green granite - thanks for the suggestion. However, I wasn't sure whether an Office XP disk registered to a different computer would cause problems. In addition, I didn't want to risk other programs being disturbed.
However, I finally managed to find a link to download Microsoft Photo Editor, downloaded and unzipped it, then added a shorcut in my 'graphics software' folder. Then set it as the default for .jpg files, leaving Microsoft Office Picture Manager as the default for .gif and .bmp files. Works just fine!
KnC, you should find IE8 much more reliable than IE6 or IE7 and it has many useful features. Gates-hating geeks will tell you that Godzilla or whatever it's called is better, but IE8 suits me just fine.
However, I finally managed to find a link to download Microsoft Photo Editor, downloaded and unzipped it, then added a shorcut in my 'graphics software' folder. Then set it as the default for .jpg files, leaving Microsoft Office Picture Manager as the default for .gif and .bmp files. Works just fine!
KnC, you should find IE8 much more reliable than IE6 or IE7 and it has many useful features. Gates-hating geeks will tell you that Godzilla or whatever it's called is better, but IE8 suits me just fine.
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If that router is one with several (probably four) ports on it, connected with "Cat 5" cables, then it will work just fine with your new PC as-is.
Further, if you have space you could keep the old PC in operation alongside the new. You could then "network" them (instructions available on here) to copy stuff between them.
Software is very much an individual choice - people like what they use, and despise what they don't. Hence some use the proper name for stuff, and others use the mocking name - that tells you which they use.
I happen to prefer Thunderbird for mail, because I don't use webmail and I have a lot of separate domains for different purposes, and it handles those well. Outlook puts everything into one stonking great file (or did, last time I used it) so one glitch lost ALL your address book, ALL your mail history, and more besides. Once bitten... Backup is limited help, since the crash will lose the most recent stuff that hasn't been backed up yet and that you haven't dealt with.
IE and Firefox play catch-me-if-you-can with each other. I didn't like the way IE told me how I was to use my PC (again, years ago) so I switched to Mozilla which became Firefox. It's served me very well so I don't bother to change. I keep IE on the machine for those very few websites that use Microsoft's non-standard HTML and therefore don't work with Firefox or any other browser.
Windows 7 is, in my experience, as good as Vista is bad. It was good enough to get me off the Linux hook - the Linux machine is now out in the workshop, not connected up since the move.
Further, if you have space you could keep the old PC in operation alongside the new. You could then "network" them (instructions available on here) to copy stuff between them.
Software is very much an individual choice - people like what they use, and despise what they don't. Hence some use the proper name for stuff, and others use the mocking name - that tells you which they use.
I happen to prefer Thunderbird for mail, because I don't use webmail and I have a lot of separate domains for different purposes, and it handles those well. Outlook puts everything into one stonking great file (or did, last time I used it) so one glitch lost ALL your address book, ALL your mail history, and more besides. Once bitten... Backup is limited help, since the crash will lose the most recent stuff that hasn't been backed up yet and that you haven't dealt with.
IE and Firefox play catch-me-if-you-can with each other. I didn't like the way IE told me how I was to use my PC (again, years ago) so I switched to Mozilla which became Firefox. It's served me very well so I don't bother to change. I keep IE on the machine for those very few websites that use Microsoft's non-standard HTML and therefore don't work with Firefox or any other browser.
Windows 7 is, in my experience, as good as Vista is bad. It was good enough to get me off the Linux hook - the Linux machine is now out in the workshop, not connected up since the move.
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" Buy a new pc & get on with it!"
Strangely enough, despite my detestation of BT / BG / BA / Yahell / Premier football, I have a semblance of an active brain...hence getting Win7..on a new machine ....was one of the reasons I posted the query....better luck next time Para.
My thanks as always for the helpful advice plus different perspectives and experiences.....
Re the IE8 vs Firefox debate, it's my understanding that IE8 pinched the good bits from Firefox so to speak....either way, I'll stick with IE8 unless it all goes horribly wrong of course.
Strangely enough, despite my detestation of BT / BG / BA / Yahell / Premier football, I have a semblance of an active brain...hence getting Win7..on a new machine ....was one of the reasons I posted the query....better luck next time Para.
My thanks as always for the helpful advice plus different perspectives and experiences.....
Re the IE8 vs Firefox debate, it's my understanding that IE8 pinched the good bits from Firefox so to speak....either way, I'll stick with IE8 unless it all goes horribly wrong of course.
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Better luck with what? My three windows seven ultimate networked 1tb power boxes are humming along nicely thanks very much.
You know, you should cut back on the detesting. Resentment, hatred, all that is like injecting yourdelf with poison & waiting for the other guy to die.
You know, you should cut back on the detesting. Resentment, hatred, all that is like injecting yourdelf with poison & waiting for the other guy to die.
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AO
As you can see, one is back.
Connecting up was no problem....a slight, er, "hiccup" setting up the email...( self induced ) but the nice tech guy at BT sorted that for me and unlike his counterparts in "customer
indifference" was very capable..
Win7 is rather different to say the least...well it would be from Win98...but so far I have to say no major problems...this should read as user friendly therefore...Livemail...better than OS I would say...and when I eventually got my email working, most of my mail from my old machine simply transferred itself across....possibly due to BT I suppose.
One thing it won't let me do though is download Ad-Aware...I get a message saying "IE has blocked this site".....not sure why ?...and I haven't tried to download Spybot yet either.
The biggest ahem, " frustration" so far has been trying to get back on here..now achieved.
Overall, not as fraught as I had anticipated
As you can see, one is back.
Connecting up was no problem....a slight, er, "hiccup" setting up the email...( self induced ) but the nice tech guy at BT sorted that for me and unlike his counterparts in "customer
indifference" was very capable..Win7 is rather different to say the least...well it would be from Win98...but so far I have to say no major problems...this should read as user friendly therefore...Livemail...better than OS I would say...and when I eventually got my email working, most of my mail from my old machine simply transferred itself across....possibly due to BT I suppose.
One thing it won't let me do though is download Ad-Aware...I get a message saying "IE has blocked this site".....not sure why ?...and I haven't tried to download Spybot yet either.
The biggest ahem, " frustration" so far has been trying to get back on here..now achieved.
Overall, not as fraught as I had anticipated
Last edited by Krystal n chips; 30th August 2010 at 11:30.
