Interview For TAM and GOL airlines

[alemaobaiano]

Any news or updates on changing the law requiring brazilian nationalization? I heard that was in the works..thanks!

No, nothing. The law is stalled and now the election is over there is very little political mileage in pushing something that has some very vocal opposition.

TTFN

[lilg]

brazil qualification???

hi,

anybody know the regulations of flying in brazil having done training in the uk or usa? i assume it is easier to convert from a CAA (done in usa) than a JAA to fly in brazil and is this required?

i know i have to be a brazilian citizen but i've been married to a brazilian girl now for 2 years and that part can be sorted out...

if anybody has any info on whether or not it is possible to do training outside of brazil and then fly there please send, getting conflicting reports!

thanks
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[alemaobaiano]

anybody know the regulations of flying in brazil having done training in the uk or usa? i assume it is easier to convert from a CAA (done in usa) than a JAA to fly in brazil and is this required?

Yes conversion is required, the origin of your licence is pretty irrelevant, it's the same process for all.

i know i have to be a brazilian citizen but i've been married to a brazilian girl now for 2 years and that part can be sorted out...

How, if you don't live in Brazil? You need to start with a resident visa, which means you need to be living and working here, before you can start the citizenship process. This whole process takes around 9 years from the issue of your residence permit, and you will need to live here for the majority of that time.

if anybody has any info on whether or not it is possible to do training outside of brazil and then fly there please send, getting conflicting reports!

What training? If you convert your licence afterwards you can do the training anywhere. The advantage of training in Brazil is that you don't have to convert anything to fly here, but then if you want to go elsewhere you will need the reverse conversion process.

TTFN

[EdForce6]

Hi there alemaobaiano,

How long will it take for a Portuguese guy?? and is that the only way (being a national) or can one be a commercial pilot as a Portugues Equiparado ??

Concordo 100% com muitos dos teus post, sei que o mercado no brazil so deve ser para nacionais, ou para os que passao pelos anos de espera. Se nao, tudo vira como na europa e nos estados unidos, pagando para tudo e nao sendo aproveitado como piloto.

Um abraco,

Edforce6

[alemaobaiano]

Bom dia Ed

I think that Portuguese pilots have an advantage here, there seems to be some agreement between the countries for a fast-track scheme that reduces the time considerably, although I don't know the details. There are some whispers that Azul have some Portuguese candidates in the current recruiting round, but nothing that I can substantiate, so maybe its just a rumour.

I'm not really in favour of a completely closed market, but the reasons for opening things up concern me more. There is quite clearly no intention of recruiting well qualified crew from major carriers but simply a means to reduce cost by bringing in pilots from smaller countries who will fly here for even less than the present salaries. That is my opinion, not based on any stated fact, but from conversation with a number of well connected individuals in Brazilian aviation.

Boa sorte

[Autothrust05]

There are some whispers that Azul have some Portuguese candidates in the current recruiting round, but nothing that I can substantiate, so maybe its just a rumour.

The whispers are correct...

[zedoscarro]

yeah but how did they get the licences? does anybody know?

[gonzags]

New info about that?

[aa73]

Hello gents, sorry but I must ask this question from perhaps a naive U.S. point of view?

800TT for TAM??? 200TT for LAN??? Are these guys CRAZY?

When I had 200TT I barely had enough business being around a Cessna 152!! much less an airliner!

What will these guys do when the Captain becomes incapacitated?

Have we not learned from Colgan crash in Buffalo, the dangers of inexperience?

There is a very good reason why most major airlines in the U.S. require 5000TT MINIMUM to apply and get hired!

Sorry, but I wouldn't ever put my family on board a TAM or LAN airliner knowing that the F/O may only have 200TT!! This is Crazy and only a matter of time before something tragic happens.

Just my opinion, but backed up with tragedies of inexperience from the past.

aa73
Hired on at AA with 3000TT and that was LOW!

[Autothrust05]

there are the low timers and the slow learners...

[TOFFAIR]

Europe has already a long tradition of hiring lowtimers, guess you wouldnt fly with Lufthansa or let your family get onboard. In Brazil you dont have many options to "get experience". Tam and Gol used to ask for 1500 TT but many pilots got those hours logged through a scheme or simply inking them into their Logbooks...
Azul wants to upgrade 1500hrs FOs to captain on the ATR as soon as RBAC61 becomes effective.
There are now talks about introducing MPL to Brazil, so the situation now is only a preview of whats coming.
Statistics will show if this all will work out!

[howardhugues]

Going to brazil

Hi guys i'm new in pprune, i'm in the same situation, i'm a spanish pilot with JAA ATPL and 2500h TT, since two month ago i lost my job in executive airline.

Mi girlfriend is from Brazil, and we're living in Barcelona, but now we gonna move to Brazil, i'm quite nervous because a lot of people told me how complicate is fly in Brazil for the foreing pilots.

Does anybody now if i get married, how many time i'm a Brazilian citizenship?

Altough is mandatory to be Brazilian citizenship to apply in a brazilian carrier?

Independent if you have to convalidate your license ..

[materazzi]

AA73, I wouldn't put my family into old aircraft (like AA has) for a trip, but sometimes you don't have a choice... those A300's you guys had until a couple of years ago were not maintained very good... and the B767's?? well, let me tell you the training the pilots get in LAN (and I'm sure in TAM) is very strict, professional, and to Airbus Standards. LAN has had the same criteria for hiring people for a long time, and besides a couple of incidents, the accident record has been 0 for a long time (hope to keep it that way for a long time).

so please don't speak before knowing a bit about the other companies.

ps. I have a lot of friends flying in US Carriers (regionals and majors) and I know how it goes the Airline business up there, and in South america we have nothing to envy you guys.

Happy Landings

[alemaobaiano]

Does anybody now if i get married, how many time i'm a Brazilian citizenship?

Typically 7 to 9 years from the time you arrive in Brazil. You need to get a residence visa first (usually 6-18 months) and then start the citizenship process, which normally takes about 7 years.

As the law stands at the moment you cannot fly commercially until the process is complete, but you need to live in Brazil and have a job during this time.

Things may change in the next few years. The bill privatising three airports has just been passed which has always been seen as the first step on opening civil aviation here, but even if the pilot market does open up, MERCOSUL and Portuguese speaking nations will have priority.

TTFN

[Poire]

... potential in the future ...?
Jesus Christ! The country has been independent for 189 years and was "discovered" 511 years ago. Does it still need a future? :-)