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Lots of things said, personally, having experience and license in Europe US and Brazil I would recomend you, as you re local in the US do your license there!
Honestly, it will be the fastest way to obtain the license!
It will be probably the cheapest, at least the best value (what you get for the paid).
It will be easiest due to language (it is better to gain the knowledge of the theory in your mother language and then just have to learn the new vocabulary in Brazil. Many pilots here might have a good knowledge of aviation English, but I guess few will be fit enough to explain you more complex isssues.
Another thing is you can still do something for living there while you be taking lessons, in Brazil Parttime jobs are nearly inexistant, and most jobs want cover your expenses or leave you time enough to learn approprietely, and remember in Brazil, due to infrastructural weaknesses you may loose a looooot of time in traffic.
As said before, training environement here is bad, places to train IFR are mostly already congested busy airports, and often facilities have failures that last for a long time, like Belo Horizontes Confins airport is now with ILS inoperative for more then 2 month and it is Brazils 3rd biggest city!!!
If your heading to commercial aviation you need serious basics, flying some fancy old planes is something nice (for dreamers like me!!!), but this will not bring you up to the skills required in a eficient and economical manner.
Another point mentioned is school, unless you go to an expensive private school here, your education will be very very limited. For this reason and aditionally to the before also mentioned poor aviation courses required to pass Anacs exams, most companies are now preferably hiring copilots who attended some sort of academic courses, like ciencias aeronauticas from PUC in Porto Alegre or Fumec in BH and so on.. BUT on the other hand training in USA in schools like Flight Safety, Embry Riddle are very highly esteemed.
Next thing is still getting the job, dont think if you got the license in your hand the job will immediately be available, it took me 5 years of waiting, begging, door to door seeking until I got the opportunity (times were thougher then too!). But ususaly it takes a lot of patience and some steps have to be taken in the meantime which usualy means flying for food, and maybe taking some risks...
Dont want to be negative, there are plenty of opportunities still here. Flying in Brazil is also unique, especially in places like SDU, MAO, CWB, IGU, etc
Still, doing the training abroad is the better choice!
Good Luck!
Honestly, it will be the fastest way to obtain the license!
It will be probably the cheapest, at least the best value (what you get for the paid).
It will be easiest due to language (it is better to gain the knowledge of the theory in your mother language and then just have to learn the new vocabulary in Brazil. Many pilots here might have a good knowledge of aviation English, but I guess few will be fit enough to explain you more complex isssues.
Another thing is you can still do something for living there while you be taking lessons, in Brazil Parttime jobs are nearly inexistant, and most jobs want cover your expenses or leave you time enough to learn approprietely, and remember in Brazil, due to infrastructural weaknesses you may loose a looooot of time in traffic.
As said before, training environement here is bad, places to train IFR are mostly already congested busy airports, and often facilities have failures that last for a long time, like Belo Horizontes Confins airport is now with ILS inoperative for more then 2 month and it is Brazils 3rd biggest city!!!
If your heading to commercial aviation you need serious basics, flying some fancy old planes is something nice (for dreamers like me!!!), but this will not bring you up to the skills required in a eficient and economical manner.
Another point mentioned is school, unless you go to an expensive private school here, your education will be very very limited. For this reason and aditionally to the before also mentioned poor aviation courses required to pass Anacs exams, most companies are now preferably hiring copilots who attended some sort of academic courses, like ciencias aeronauticas from PUC in Porto Alegre or Fumec in BH and so on.. BUT on the other hand training in USA in schools like Flight Safety, Embry Riddle are very highly esteemed.
Next thing is still getting the job, dont think if you got the license in your hand the job will immediately be available, it took me 5 years of waiting, begging, door to door seeking until I got the opportunity (times were thougher then too!). But ususaly it takes a lot of patience and some steps have to be taken in the meantime which usualy means flying for food, and maybe taking some risks...
Dont want to be negative, there are plenty of opportunities still here. Flying in Brazil is also unique, especially in places like SDU, MAO, CWB, IGU, etc
Still, doing the training abroad is the better choice!
Good Luck!
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you are right training at places like FSA is factory style, I did some part 61 training on a privately owned airplane with a dedicated CFI, I loved it but for somebody that needs to go fro 0 to hero a 141 school is the best, you can always get some endorsements at the local field in part 61, an other good thing about a 141 school are ck-rides, they are in-house, so you won't be waiting long to get them done, maybe one or two days, while to schedule with a DPE it can take more then a week and will also cost you a lot more (some charge 300$), if you fail a 141 ck ride it won't appear on any records. The best way to go, is SE PPL part 61 with private CFI or FBO and then ME PPL- ME IFR (so that you get some multi time) - ME CPL (if he is planning to go to Brazil no need for a SE CPL) in a 141 school.
If he wants to Instruct in the US, a 141 school is also an open door for an employment, if the market is good, 99% you will get hired by the school that trained you, you can build easy 80-90 hours a month, while this won't happen teaching part 61.
One more thing that can't beat training in the US, you go places!!! you fly to an airport, you go to an FBO and they will give you a car for free, you can drive to town for a bite or just cruise around, even with a small piston you will always be treated with respect, like any other pilot and you will NEVER, NEVER pay a $ for this services.
you are right training at places like FSA is factory style, I did some part 61 training on a privately owned airplane with a dedicated CFI, I loved it but for somebody that needs to go fro 0 to hero a 141 school is the best, you can always get some endorsements at the local field in part 61, an other good thing about a 141 school are ck-rides, they are in-house, so you won't be waiting long to get them done, maybe one or two days, while to schedule with a DPE it can take more then a week and will also cost you a lot more (some charge 300$), if you fail a 141 ck ride it won't appear on any records. The best way to go, is SE PPL part 61 with private CFI or FBO and then ME PPL- ME IFR (so that you get some multi time) - ME CPL (if he is planning to go to Brazil no need for a SE CPL) in a 141 school.
If he wants to Instruct in the US, a 141 school is also an open door for an employment, if the market is good, 99% you will get hired by the school that trained you, you can build easy 80-90 hours a month, while this won't happen teaching part 61.
One more thing that can't beat training in the US, you go places!!! you fly to an airport, you go to an FBO and they will give you a car for free, you can drive to town for a bite or just cruise around, even with a small piston you will always be treated with respect, like any other pilot and you will NEVER, NEVER pay a $ for this services.
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I talked to a taxi driver rescently here in Rio and he said that the lifted the ban on "gringo" pilots. This true? I dont believe it.
One factor is that it is "hidden" in a project that would increase the allowed limit of foreign financial control of Brazilian airlines, something that the new President is unlikely to approve given her stance on foreign ownership during the election campaign. It's an all-or-nothing situation, the parts of the project cannot be decided individually.
There is naturally a lot of opposition to the joint proposals, and apparently very little support. There are a number of counter proposals being put forward and if the LAN-TAM tie-up is seen as a success, within the current regulations, there isn't a lot of incentive to change. No change on the ownership rules means no change on pilot rules.
There was a project to allow foreign companies to operate airports here, but that seems to have died a slow death. Even if this proposal is passed it would require changes to the law, something that takes a very long time here.
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I dont understand the thinking here in Brasil. Im living here now and nothing is made simple for the people here. The processes everyone has to go through just to get an apartment let alone a bank account is just ridiculous. It took my 4 hours to resolve my FCPF issue because nobody but the Reciet Federal knew that a gringo could obtain a CPF let alone that the card is to be sent in the mail.
And the fact they wont allow foreign ownership of anything or participation is just ridiculous. It seems to me that there are powers that want to keep their feet on the neck of the people living here and not want to create more oportunity. And I watched the campaign commercials here and they talk like Washington is the Devil. Brasil is a wonderful country and the people here are awesome. But if the gov't wants to get rid of that "3rd world country" tag from under its name..then things need to change.
And the fact they wont allow foreign ownership of anything or participation is just ridiculous. It seems to me that there are powers that want to keep their feet on the neck of the people living here and not want to create more oportunity. And I watched the campaign commercials here and they talk like Washington is the Devil. Brasil is a wonderful country and the people here are awesome. But if the gov't wants to get rid of that "3rd world country" tag from under its name..then things need to change.
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And the fact they wont allow foreign ownership of anything or participation is just ridiculous.
As varigflier says, vacations here are one thing, living here is very different
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What you guys think about this:
CARTA ABERTA DOS AERONAUTAS S AUTORIDADES BRASILEIRAS Petition
@pdub20s: where do you live? I`m also a gringo pilot living in Brazil, I live in Rio.
CARTA ABERTA DOS AERONAUTAS S AUTORIDADES BRASILEIRAS Petition
@pdub20s: where do you live? I`m also a gringo pilot living in Brazil, I live in Rio.
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hey guys !!
question ....
im not a gringo piltot however ive been living abroad for 8 years working in emirates airlines and in the states too... i graduated in nevada for the aeronautics degree and i really dont think is a real problem to find a job for people like "us" here ...... i do agree that the trainning there in the us is a lot better but come on here is not bad as well... i say that because i ve been in daytona and i loved it it was my dream to be in embry riddle how ever i couldn't afford it ..... them many years later i sse my self walking into a flight school in brasil that has a cirrus and g1000 for initial training ?????
ok they use c 152's as well ..... as the infra-structure in brazil goes .... yeah it does bad ... it sucks ... however still better than dubai belive me .....
i still feel there are a lot o opportunities here you just have to look for it ......
im not a gringo piltot however ive been living abroad for 8 years working in emirates airlines and in the states too... i graduated in nevada for the aeronautics degree and i really dont think is a real problem to find a job for people like "us" here ...... i do agree that the trainning there in the us is a lot better but come on here is not bad as well... i say that because i ve been in daytona and i loved it it was my dream to be in embry riddle how ever i couldn't afford it ..... them many years later i sse my self walking into a flight school in brasil that has a cirrus and g1000 for initial training ?????
ok they use c 152's as well ..... as the infra-structure in brazil goes .... yeah it does bad ... it sucks ... however still better than dubai belive me .....
i still feel there are a lot o opportunities here you just have to look for it ......
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school in brasil that has a cirrus and g1000 for initial training ?????
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Well ANA cadets in California do their first solo in A36 Bonanza, instrument and commercial in a B58 Baron...
As far as learning how to fly I think the Cirrus is a terrible plane to start on, it will not do most maneuvers the way a student needs to see them....even the school that uses them, have them as a marketing tool..
I do really hope that if any school here in Brazil trains in a Cirrus, uses FIST,SBT and a TAA syllabus to teach, unless it will just create a bunch of fly that will eventually hit something...
As far as learning how to fly I think the Cirrus is a terrible plane to start on, it will not do most maneuvers the way a student needs to see them....even the school that uses them, have them as a marketing tool..
I do really hope that if any school here in Brazil trains in a Cirrus, uses FIST,SBT and a TAA syllabus to teach, unless it will just create a bunch of fly that will eventually hit something...
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I can`t speak of how it was 20 years ago, as far as the quality of training I doubt anything changed, I mean the same airplanes used 20 years ago are still here, the manuals and the syllabus of each school is probably still the same...I think there is a huge potential for improvement....
What is really missing in Brazil is standardization of CFIs and the use of Practical Test Standards.
What I don`t get is how easy is to get a rating, at most flight schools the Ck Airman is either a former student or a friend of the clube. It also amazes me how you can become a ck airman without having any experience.
The training is not safety focused and everybody takes advantage of the fact that you will not tested on some subject to not study them. An other problem is the CFI rating, the INVA is a joke, the Fundamnetal of Instructing are not taught properly.
there is the need for CRM and ADM training even at the primary level.
What is really missing in Brazil is standardization of CFIs and the use of Practical Test Standards.
What I don`t get is how easy is to get a rating, at most flight schools the Ck Airman is either a former student or a friend of the clube. It also amazes me how you can become a ck airman without having any experience.
The training is not safety focused and everybody takes advantage of the fact that you will not tested on some subject to not study them. An other problem is the CFI rating, the INVA is a joke, the Fundamnetal of Instructing are not taught properly.
there is the need for CRM and ADM training even at the primary level.
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What I don`t get is how easy is to get a rating, at most flight schools the Ck Airman is either a former student or a friend of the clube. It also amazes me how you can become a ck airman without having any experience.
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My thoughts exactly. It's a joke. No wonder most captains feel they are God's gift to aviation. And these same people wouldn't even pass the instrument checkride in the US or Europe.
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I did my Glider and Private Pilot in the south 20 years ago. I don't think it was that bad back then. I think I did get a good training.
The DAC “Private Pilot” syllabus did lack some things compare with the FAA syllabus. No night flying. No 3 T.O. & Land at controlled airport. No hood/instrument training. No familiarization with VOR/NDB/ILS in the airplane.
The FAA written test was much easier to pass. Twenty years ago it was not easy to get a Private Pilot license in Brazil. The DAC written test had a very high failure rate back then. We did not have a "bank of questions" to memorize for the test.
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The DAC “Private Pilot” syllabus did lack some things compare with the FAA syllabus. No night flying. No 3 T.O. & Land at controlled airport. No hood/instrument training. No familiarization with VOR/NDB/ILS in the airplane.
The FAA written test was much easier to pass. Twenty years ago it was not easy to get a Private Pilot license in Brazil. The DAC written test had a very high failure rate back then. We did not have a "bank of questions" to memorize for the test.
Junker
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