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With the current financial crap that caught almost the entire world I would advise everyone, able to so, to go fly in Brazil. Nowadays, pilots at KLM are requested to work as FA, on the ground, etc etc. Solid companies as Luxair don't expect to hire anyone in 2010 with a slightly chance to hire a few in 2011.
A friend of mine paid for his rating (Fokker 50) in order to work for Denim Air. After flying around 300 hours he was fired along with his colleagues cause the club went bankrupt. In Brazil luckily, there is no such crap as paying for TQ. Money is indeed less comparing to what is possible to earn abroad but as they said, the grass is always greener on the other side...
fly safe!
A friend of mine paid for his rating (Fokker 50) in order to work for Denim Air. After flying around 300 hours he was fired along with his colleagues cause the club went bankrupt. In Brazil luckily, there is no such crap as paying for TQ. Money is indeed less comparing to what is possible to earn abroad but as they said, the grass is always greener on the other side...
fly safe!
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That might be true ofr now, but I would only consider the move under the condition of being Brazilian, being committed to stay in Brazil at least for a couple of years, not looking back... The other thing is it takes a while to get the convertion done, until then, no one is going to hire you, and if they say so, dont believe it. By law its not permited to have P2F, on the other hand you never know what it takes to get hired... If you have the JAR-FCL ready, there are opportunities appearing to get hired, i.e. THY, LH City-Line, Germania, etc given what you will invest to get the job here, and still no guaranties... But if you have the ANAC license ready, I agree time is good to find a job now in Brazil, and despite the salaries you can afford a nice living...
Do not attempt to commute (abroad), there are virtually no ZED agreements for crews here and you dont get a roster compatible to that anyway.
Do not attempt to commute (abroad), there are virtually no ZED agreements for crews here and you dont get a roster compatible to that anyway.
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and despite the salaries you can afford a nice living...
There are cities with a lower cost of living, but if you expect to fly for one of the bigger airlines you are going to have to live in São Paulo or, if you are lucky, Rio.
TTFN
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Alemaobaiano:
Why care for some fancy apartment? You want be there very often anyway! Flying intl out of GRU you can live nicely out of the crowd being an hour away from the airport. Nonetheless I agree with you guys, what could be a dreamjob with JJ/G3, is rather a roster nightmare, and companies never heard about slavery abolition... I wonder why those with TR and hours dont move out to UAE, China, Korea, etc only few do, mainly ex RG. any idea?
Why care for some fancy apartment? You want be there very often anyway! Flying intl out of GRU you can live nicely out of the crowd being an hour away from the airport. Nonetheless I agree with you guys, what could be a dreamjob with JJ/G3, is rather a roster nightmare, and companies never heard about slavery abolition... I wonder why those with TR and hours dont move out to UAE, China, Korea, etc only few do, mainly ex RG. any idea?
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Toffair, who's talking about fancy apartments at that salary range 
If you are flying international out of Guraulhos you are well above the problems facing the common FO and his/her pitiful salary, so grubbing around the city for somewhere that fits the budget isn't an issue. Deciding whether to buy a Merc or a Jag is probably the biggest concern
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If you are flying international out of Guraulhos you are well above the problems facing the common FO and his/her pitiful salary, so grubbing around the city for somewhere that fits the budget isn't an issue. Deciding whether to buy a Merc or a Jag is probably the biggest concern
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fair enough! So this might show us that the situation tends to worsen and not to improve. If you dont have any alternative you have to get used to whatever you can grab. Another thing i noticed among Brazilian Airline Pilots is that there is a huge complaining and rumours among the colleagues but most of them dont have the balls to do anything about it, not even when it comes to flight safety.
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Around 8-10k after taxes for widebodies at TAM.
5-6K for narrowbody I think.
Schedule sucks. Company sucks. Employees treated like crap. No star alliance benefits. The list goes on and on......
Varigflier
These rates are for captain or FO?
First year pay or top of scale?
Thank you in advance
Junker 13
Around 8-10k after taxes for widebodies at TAM.
5-6K for narrowbody I think.
Schedule sucks. Company sucks. Employees treated like crap. No star alliance benefits. The list goes on and on......
Varigflier
These rates are for captain or FO?
First year pay or top of scale?
Thank you in advance
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Toffair,
You are right on the money.
Junker 13,
These rates are for F/Os regardless of seniority. Everybody gets paid the same nomatter how long you have been with the company.
VF
You are right on the money.
Junker 13,
These rates are for F/Os regardless of seniority. Everybody gets paid the same nomatter how long you have been with the company.
VF
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To continue Sail's first questions: As an expat married to a Brasiliera but without a BR Licence, BR passport (but Visa) and not speaking the lingo, what prospects does one have with 13,000 TT and 8,000 h on B 737?
Would corporate aviation have opportunities?
Would corporate aviation have opportunities?
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To continue Sail's first questions: As an expat married to a Brasiliera but without a BR Licence, BR passport (but Visa) and not speaking the lingo, what prospects does one have with 13,000 TT and 8,000 h on B 737?
Would corporate aviation have opportunities?
Would corporate aviation have opportunities?
TTFN
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No chance! You could go through the process of nationalizing the papers and get some Portuguese lessons in the meantime (It will take several month to get all together!!!), and only when ready apply for DEC position...
If not, i think positions may become available only for heavy helicopters like S92, thus they ll being introduced for offshore and there are insuficient pilots in Brazil experienced on those.
I dont know were youre from, but if you take a part time in Europe e.g. and stay the other time here, you might get a better living and more time at home than working fulltime here (salaries are low and offdays few, no part-time flying in Brazil!).
If not, i think positions may become available only for heavy helicopters like S92, thus they ll being introduced for offshore and there are insuficient pilots in Brazil experienced on those.
I dont know were youre from, but if you take a part time in Europe e.g. and stay the other time here, you might get a better living and more time at home than working fulltime here (salaries are low and offdays few, no part-time flying in Brazil!).
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Hi guys,
Quick question about the lovely IRS in Brazil:
How much can I expect to give away to the government? or how do you check in which category (percentage) you belong to?
E.g.
Base salary = R$ X
Sectors flown = R$ Y
X + Y = Z then percentage based on the total amount?
or
X = related percentage to X amount
Y = related percentage to Y amount
Thanks for help!
Quick question about the lovely IRS in Brazil:
How much can I expect to give away to the government? or how do you check in which category (percentage) you belong to?
E.g.
Base salary = R$ X
Sectors flown = R$ Y
X + Y = Z then percentage based on the total amount?
or
X = related percentage to X amount
Y = related percentage to Y amount
Thanks for help!
