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Thread drift alert......... But Che Guevara was a murderer (no offence Che)
Back to the thread, the rumours were that CAL had lost out to Spirit but as far as I know, nothing official has been forthcoming from either government as yet.
I keep hearing that CAL is still very much in the picture with Air J.
Back to the thread, the rumours were that CAL had lost out to Spirit but as far as I know, nothing official has been forthcoming from either government as yet.
I keep hearing that CAL is still very much in the picture with Air J.
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Thanks for the answer, look forward to seeing the outcome.
Hopefully to put the name thing to bed and not cause a 'thread drift', one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it's all a matter of perspective.
Safe flying.
Hopefully to put the name thing to bed and not cause a 'thread drift', one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it's all a matter of perspective.
Safe flying.
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Thread Jack ("Socialismo o muerte"?)
I understand it's just a name and a personal preference. As you said, you probably could just have used "freedom fighter" or "revolutionary" but it's not as iconic. Just as my or anyone elses' handle on the forum.
No offense or mal wishes, but to date, I have not met a Cuban that would agree with you. Che has been over portrayed in this day and age and while he is an icon I think that's where his legend dies.
On the other hand, you're not in management are you?
Sorry about that, back to the thread. Caribbean Airlines CEO resigns a month ago and now they take over Air Jam?
No offense or mal wishes, but to date, I have not met a Cuban that would agree with you. Che has been over portrayed in this day and age and while he is an icon I think that's where his legend dies.
On the other hand, you're not in management are you?
Sorry about that, back to the thread. Caribbean Airlines CEO resigns a month ago and now they take over Air Jam?
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I picked up the nickname Che many years ago when I was at school for my support of the republican 'freedom fighters' in a certain European country. The other side of the fence of course had labelled them terrorists, when indeed they themselves were guilty of plundering and terrorizing many countries around the world. Hence my previous statements etc.
No, I am not management, not with those sentiments anyway.
So, has Caribbean Airline's bid been accepted or are they in trouble now?
Sorry for the thread drift everybody but, it happens. Hopefully it is finished now.
Safe flying.
No, I am not management, not with those sentiments anyway.
So, has Caribbean Airline's bid been accepted or are they in trouble now?
Sorry for the thread drift everybody but, it happens. Hopefully it is finished now.
Safe flying.
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what does Che have to do with aviation??????
kind of statements about Che guevara.
Like you said , in the other side of the fence.!!!!
Since a couple of years , this name has been a trade mark for some artist whome don't even know exactly what he represented, and since, a lot of people may think they really understand what's behind this great show.
take care guys/girls.....
ps: this is my last comment here regarding this issue.
Like you said , in the other side of the fence.!!!!
Since a couple of years , this name has been a trade mark for some artist whome don't even know exactly what he represented, and since, a lot of people may think they really understand what's behind this great show.
take care guys/girls.....
ps: this is my last comment here regarding this issue.
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* Caribbean Airlines to own Air Jamaica within days:
Business: News in the Caribbean - Caribbean360.com
Business: News in the Caribbean - Caribbean360.com
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What are the pilots hearing about their future? Any Air J guys here care to comment?
Are they expecting to go through the same treatment as did the BW boys when CAL was formed?
If so, brace for some turbulent times.
Are they expecting to go through the same treatment as did the BW boys when CAL was formed?
If so, brace for some turbulent times.
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Caribbean Airlines may stick with Boeing and get rid of AirJ's fleet of 320s. It would make good business sense as AirJ had (maybe still has) some ridiculous leases on their fleet, however, as at Caribbean Airlines, it might be a mighty mess for the pilots. If you don't fly 737 will you have a job? Hopefully the Government will include in the sale provisions to protect as many workers as possible (ALL DEPARTMENTS!) and prevent this avoidable situation.
Walk good my Air Jamaica friends.
Walk good my Air Jamaica friends.
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Caribbean version of United Airlines?
Source: IFALPA Daily News
Sounds frightening, based on the banter when I hear crew open their mouths and start the dialogue with "These idiots in Management don't know what they are doing. If I were running this airline I would . . . ." Any thoughts?
The Jamaica Airline Pilots Association has expressed its confidence that it could operate Air Jamaica successfully if its proposal is accepted by the government.
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The Jamaican Airline Pilots’ Association (JALPA) has submitted its business plan “on behalf of the staff” of Air Jamaica to acquire the airline.
The submission made yesterday, follows an open letter to Prime Minister Bruce Golding from the staff of Air Jamaica. In the letter the staff said “let the divestment take place but let JALPA, the representation of Air Jamaica’s staff and the Jamaican people take the reins”.
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The Jamaican Airline Pilots’ Association (JALPA) has submitted its business plan “on behalf of the staff” of Air Jamaica to acquire the airline.
The submission made yesterday, follows an open letter to Prime Minister Bruce Golding from the staff of Air Jamaica. In the letter the staff said “let the divestment take place but let JALPA, the representation of Air Jamaica’s staff and the Jamaican people take the reins”.
Sounds frightening, based on the banter when I hear crew open their mouths and start the dialogue with "These idiots in Management don't know what they are doing. If I were running this airline I would . . . ." Any thoughts?
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Interesting Times
All I can say for now is that interesting times are ahead. The forthcoming information or lack of it is worrisome at best. JM is now down to 6 aircraft and basically 5 destinations. Crying shame if you ask me, coming from 22 aircraft and almost the same in destinations, but then again signs of the times.
What's to happen to the JM guys and gals is up in the air as no one can confirm or even relay rumours on the matter. Im almost sure CAL would return the Airbus and either re-order fresh 73's or go for a new type across the board such as the E-Jet. I spoke to a CAL captain recently and he has no clue but figured the JM guys would be in the running for some flight deck jobs.
What's to happen to the JM guys and gals is up in the air as no one can confirm or even relay rumours on the matter. Im almost sure CAL would return the Airbus and either re-order fresh 73's or go for a new type across the board such as the E-Jet. I spoke to a CAL captain recently and he has no clue but figured the JM guys would be in the running for some flight deck jobs.
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From what I hear, CAL intends to renegotiate the leases on the Airbusses and crew them with the present Air J pilots. In time, the plan is to possibly switch to Boeing and train the guys over. It wouldn't make sense to have Trinidadian pilots 'based' in Jamaica and I don't think anyone would particularly want to go either so all the hysteria about CAL replacing all Jamaicans with Trinidadians is misplaced.
If history is any guide, be prepared to re-interview for your jobs (some will not be taken back) and be offered imposed contracts that you might not be entirely happy with.
If history is any guide, be prepared to re-interview for your jobs (some will not be taken back) and be offered imposed contracts that you might not be entirely happy with.
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Looks like Air Jamaica passes into the airline history books. Will miss their cheerful, brightly colored livery:
I wonder how the Jamaican government and Caribbean Airlines plan to demonstrate that their Jamaican division is substantially owned by Jamaicans in order to be able to serve international routes from Jamaica.
Caribbean Airlines to be Jamaica's exclusive national carrier
Published: Friday | February 12, 2010
R. Anne Shirley, Business Writer
The Government has agreed to ensure that Caribbean Airlines is designated the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica under the air services agreements between itself and other states.
This was stated in the non-binding letter of intent signed on January 22 by the Government, Air Jamaica Limited, Air Jamaica Holdings Limited and Caribbean Airlines, a company owned by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago.
Under this agreement, the parties are committed to making best efforts to sign legally binding agreements by March 31. In this regard, the GOJ and Air Jamaica will take all necessary steps to effect the cessation of operations of Air Jamaica on or before July 1, and as soon there-after close Air Jamaica.
Caribbean Airlines will commence its Jamaican operations on or before July 1 upon the cessation of operations of Air Jamaica. Effective as of the consummation of the closing, the Government has agreed that "Caribbean Airlines shall be the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica and, in this regard, will not request designation of national carrier status for any other air carrier for as long as the Jamaican operations maintain a minimum level of service and meet certain other criteria, which in each case will be set forth in the definitive agreements".
Prior to the cessation of operations, Air Jamaica will "implement revenue management and communication measures as determined by Caribbean Airlines and reasonably acceptable to the Government of Jamaica in order to actively manage market share, enhance passenger loyalty to the national carrier, and help preserve the competitiveness of the launch of the Jamaican operations (of Caribbean Airlines)".
Air Jamaica currently flies to five destinations on 13 routes. The destinations are the United States, Canada, Cuba, The Bahamas and Curaçao. Last year, the airline carried 1.1 million passengers on these routes.
In Appendix I, attached to the letter of intent, Caribbean Airlines stated it would start up its Jamaican operations by adding a network of routes to its international network.
Caribbean Airlines will also operate a Kingston, Port-of-Spain, Georgetown (Guyana) route one flight/seven days per week, but this route will not form part of the Jamaican operations.
In addition, Caribbean Airlines has indicated that possible intra-island flight between Kingston and Montego Bay is "to be considered". So the advantage that Air Jamaica passengers had to connect between Kingston and Montego Bay will likely be lost.
For the initial Jamaican operations, it is estimated that the routes will be operated with "five to seven aircraft with an estimated number of cockpit and crew, respectively, of 70 to 90 and 140 to 160".
The agreement expects that there will be "synergies and rationalisation in many areas including ground handling (flight and passenger) and distribution".
The Air Jamaica Frequent Flyer Programme will be integrated and rationalised into the Caribbean Airlines programme. In terms of the management and personnel to be employed to man the Jamaican operations, Caribbean Airlines shall have "absolute discretion in the selection and recruitment of any Air Jamaica employees on new contractual arrangements".
Airline tickets to be honoured
Also, the fuel hedge now enjoyed by Caribbean Airlines will be extended to the Jamaica operations.
Caribbean Airlines will honour airline tickets bought on Air Jamaica on routes which will comprise the Jamaican operation and have not yet flown at the time of the closing of Air Jamaica. On or before the closing, "the Government of Jamaica will pay to Caribbean Airlines an amount equal to 93 per cent of the passenger fare value of the Air Jamaica ticket fares".
In consideration for all of the above, the agreement shall contain an anti-dilution provision "to insure that Government of Jamaica retains no less than a 10 per cent equity interest in Caribbean Airlines after closing, giving effect to any equity funding post-closing needed to meet the requisite cash threshold. Such securities shall be of the same class of securities held by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago and there shall be no securities senior to it".
The Government of Jamaica will also appoint one director to the board of Caribbean Airlines.
Published: Friday | February 12, 2010
R. Anne Shirley, Business Writer
The Government has agreed to ensure that Caribbean Airlines is designated the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica under the air services agreements between itself and other states.
This was stated in the non-binding letter of intent signed on January 22 by the Government, Air Jamaica Limited, Air Jamaica Holdings Limited and Caribbean Airlines, a company owned by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago.
Under this agreement, the parties are committed to making best efforts to sign legally binding agreements by March 31. In this regard, the GOJ and Air Jamaica will take all necessary steps to effect the cessation of operations of Air Jamaica on or before July 1, and as soon there-after close Air Jamaica.
Caribbean Airlines will commence its Jamaican operations on or before July 1 upon the cessation of operations of Air Jamaica. Effective as of the consummation of the closing, the Government has agreed that "Caribbean Airlines shall be the exclusive national carrier of Jamaica and, in this regard, will not request designation of national carrier status for any other air carrier for as long as the Jamaican operations maintain a minimum level of service and meet certain other criteria, which in each case will be set forth in the definitive agreements".
Prior to the cessation of operations, Air Jamaica will "implement revenue management and communication measures as determined by Caribbean Airlines and reasonably acceptable to the Government of Jamaica in order to actively manage market share, enhance passenger loyalty to the national carrier, and help preserve the competitiveness of the launch of the Jamaican operations (of Caribbean Airlines)".
Air Jamaica currently flies to five destinations on 13 routes. The destinations are the United States, Canada, Cuba, The Bahamas and Curaçao. Last year, the airline carried 1.1 million passengers on these routes.
In Appendix I, attached to the letter of intent, Caribbean Airlines stated it would start up its Jamaican operations by adding a network of routes to its international network.
Caribbean Airlines will also operate a Kingston, Port-of-Spain, Georgetown (Guyana) route one flight/seven days per week, but this route will not form part of the Jamaican operations.
In addition, Caribbean Airlines has indicated that possible intra-island flight between Kingston and Montego Bay is "to be considered". So the advantage that Air Jamaica passengers had to connect between Kingston and Montego Bay will likely be lost.
For the initial Jamaican operations, it is estimated that the routes will be operated with "five to seven aircraft with an estimated number of cockpit and crew, respectively, of 70 to 90 and 140 to 160".
The agreement expects that there will be "synergies and rationalisation in many areas including ground handling (flight and passenger) and distribution".
The Air Jamaica Frequent Flyer Programme will be integrated and rationalised into the Caribbean Airlines programme. In terms of the management and personnel to be employed to man the Jamaican operations, Caribbean Airlines shall have "absolute discretion in the selection and recruitment of any Air Jamaica employees on new contractual arrangements".
Airline tickets to be honoured
Also, the fuel hedge now enjoyed by Caribbean Airlines will be extended to the Jamaica operations.
Caribbean Airlines will honour airline tickets bought on Air Jamaica on routes which will comprise the Jamaican operation and have not yet flown at the time of the closing of Air Jamaica. On or before the closing, "the Government of Jamaica will pay to Caribbean Airlines an amount equal to 93 per cent of the passenger fare value of the Air Jamaica ticket fares".
In consideration for all of the above, the agreement shall contain an anti-dilution provision "to insure that Government of Jamaica retains no less than a 10 per cent equity interest in Caribbean Airlines after closing, giving effect to any equity funding post-closing needed to meet the requisite cash threshold. Such securities shall be of the same class of securities held by the Government of Trinidad and Tobago and there shall be no securities senior to it".
The Government of Jamaica will also appoint one director to the board of Caribbean Airlines.
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Well, LIAT flies into San Juan and the US Virgin Islands and they are owned by three Goverments [St Vincent,Antigua,Barbados]....the lawyers will have to sort that out.
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PM INSISTS JALPA'S PROPOSAL FLAWED:
PM insists JALPA's proposal flawed - Breaking & Current Jamaica News - JamaicaObserver.com
PM insists JALPA's proposal flawed - Breaking & Current Jamaica News - JamaicaObserver.com
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Good to see that the PM and the Jamaican Government are at least keeping their senses.
Amongst all of the problems with JALPA's proposal that the Government has identified, the larger question is about JALPA's future role in a "JALPA-owned Air Jamaica," namely whether JALPA is supposed to protect the interests of the workers or run a business? Is the inherent contradiction between the interests of workers and that of a business not evident.
Well, I guess it is, given JALPA's philosphy that having a workforce of 1607 employees to operate 7 airplanes constitutes a "lean but focused workforce."
Amongst all of the problems with JALPA's proposal that the Government has identified, the larger question is about JALPA's future role in a "JALPA-owned Air Jamaica," namely whether JALPA is supposed to protect the interests of the workers or run a business? Is the inherent contradiction between the interests of workers and that of a business not evident.
Well, I guess it is, given JALPA's philosphy that having a workforce of 1607 employees to operate 7 airplanes constitutes a "lean but focused workforce."
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Well, I guess it is, given JALPA's philosphy that having a workforce of 1607 employees to operate 7 airplanes constitutes a "lean but focused workforce."
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Air Jamaica Outlines Wet-Lease Plans
Mar 8, 2010
By Darren Shannon
Air Jamaica CEO Bruce Nobles is proposing a strategy that could terminate the carrier’s scheduled operations on April 11 and revive the company the next day as a wet-lease operator for Caribbean Airlines, which is still embroiled in takeover talks with the Jamaican government.
In an interview with The DAILY, Nobles said the plan is still under negotiation and many key details have still to be agreed.
Despite that, an outline has emerged where Air Jamaica will effectively cease to exist on April 11 just as its winter schedule ends, and all employees will be made redundant.
Nobles explained that an unspecified number of these employees will be rehired on fixed-term contracts to operate six aircraft under contract to Caribbean Airlines on a schedule announced early last month (DAILY, Feb. 3) that drops five city-pairs and three narrowbodies from Air Jamaica’s current network.
“We will be using our fleet, our AOC [air operator certificate], and our bilateral agreements. We will be operating under the Air Jamaica code, issuing the same tickets, and taking bookings through Air Jamaica’s reservation systems,” said Nobles in the telephone interview.
He added that this contracted operation will exist for six to 12 months, while Caribbean Airlines finalizes the creation of a Jamaican subsidiary and obtain the relevant access rights from U.S. authorities.
The Trinidad and Tobago-based carrier, however, will be financially exposed to the wet-lease operation. “If the expenses are larger than the revenue, then Caribbean will have to make up the difference. Conversely, if there is a profit, that will be Caribbean’s,” said Nobles.
But this is only an outline, warned Nobles, who noted that key elements, including the implementation date, can change. “There are accounting issues with ending an operation in the middle of the month, and although it is too early to say, this could affect the date.”
It is also unclear if the new operation will retain Air Jamaica’s tails or convert to Caribbean Airlines’ livery, and the future of this mostly leased fleet is still uncertain.
“What we want to make clear is that we are working to guarantee a seamless transition from one operation to another that ensures our customers will not be inconvenienced, and retains airlift to Jamaica,” said Nobles.
And though the CEO avoided the issue, this agreement also relieves a near-bankrupt Jamaican government of an expensive nationalized company that is hindering the completion of a major loan agreement with the International Monetary Fund.
Mar 8, 2010
By Darren Shannon
Air Jamaica CEO Bruce Nobles is proposing a strategy that could terminate the carrier’s scheduled operations on April 11 and revive the company the next day as a wet-lease operator for Caribbean Airlines, which is still embroiled in takeover talks with the Jamaican government.
In an interview with The DAILY, Nobles said the plan is still under negotiation and many key details have still to be agreed.
Despite that, an outline has emerged where Air Jamaica will effectively cease to exist on April 11 just as its winter schedule ends, and all employees will be made redundant.
Nobles explained that an unspecified number of these employees will be rehired on fixed-term contracts to operate six aircraft under contract to Caribbean Airlines on a schedule announced early last month (DAILY, Feb. 3) that drops five city-pairs and three narrowbodies from Air Jamaica’s current network.
“We will be using our fleet, our AOC [air operator certificate], and our bilateral agreements. We will be operating under the Air Jamaica code, issuing the same tickets, and taking bookings through Air Jamaica’s reservation systems,” said Nobles in the telephone interview.
He added that this contracted operation will exist for six to 12 months, while Caribbean Airlines finalizes the creation of a Jamaican subsidiary and obtain the relevant access rights from U.S. authorities.
The Trinidad and Tobago-based carrier, however, will be financially exposed to the wet-lease operation. “If the expenses are larger than the revenue, then Caribbean will have to make up the difference. Conversely, if there is a profit, that will be Caribbean’s,” said Nobles.
But this is only an outline, warned Nobles, who noted that key elements, including the implementation date, can change. “There are accounting issues with ending an operation in the middle of the month, and although it is too early to say, this could affect the date.”
It is also unclear if the new operation will retain Air Jamaica’s tails or convert to Caribbean Airlines’ livery, and the future of this mostly leased fleet is still uncertain.
“What we want to make clear is that we are working to guarantee a seamless transition from one operation to another that ensures our customers will not be inconvenienced, and retains airlift to Jamaica,” said Nobles.
And though the CEO avoided the issue, this agreement also relieves a near-bankrupt Jamaican government of an expensive nationalized company that is hindering the completion of a major loan agreement with the International Monetary Fund.