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AIRES is just another sat story....
I know some one who applied to Aires a couple of months a go ...
This guy is a young Colombian guy who has been flying in europe for 9 years 737´s 757´s and 767 he made command fairly early (with something less then than 30 years old) he was also trained as TRI type rating instructor on 737´s as this guy has been working for ACMI operators he had a world wide operative experience .
He has been there for an interview and he went all the way down to BOG (at his own $$$$) this interview was purely made by psico ladies some of them just fresh out of university .They made some ridiculous psico test one of them called WARTEC or something like that according he, this test is the NEW MODE test between hiring company´s in colombia they make this test for almost everybody (from a bank cashier, security guy with the minimum education level or a pilot?????all the same.)
Some games with cubes and so on the personal interview the started to ask everything about family friend and so on (much of this questions are NOT allowed in Europe ,they were very keen about his age and being a training captain) the last stage was a nice Polygraph (lie detector ) .
So if you have taken some money from your parents or nicking some
penny´s you automatically become a dangerous thieve or some of the tipicall teenage sins like drink and drive or sheet on you girlfriend (lie) makes you look even worst.
Be ready to tell them you debts and how many credit cards you have and how much money you have been making is your past years (all this sounds crazy for this people european captain salary on a medium size jet astronomic numbers for colombian) all he wanted is to be back to his roots and his family , all this to grand the security of the company... who is gona tell him that this information(given to an outsourced company) is not gona be past to the bad guys and used against his family......
This is ridiculous they had a guy with a good background and they just sayd to young..... they didn´t knew his age from the beginning???
They keep paying very expensive American captains to train the own ones...
And he went back to continue doing what he was doing before Flying
737-800´s .....
If you want to work in Colombia be ready for a strange CRM (Captain resource management I´m the captain you the resource I´m the manager)
Captain are very tough and they are ALLWAYS RIGHT wen it comes to some points and the company supports them most of the times .......
In my opinion Aires is NOt an serious company like AV might be they need to grow and get rid of this Regional
.....
They want to play with the big ones LIKE Delta, American,Avianca, Jet Blue they shout start to thing big......or thy might be crushed ...very fast specially at this time......
so guy´s I´ll would be thinking before working in colombia.....
This guy is a young Colombian guy who has been flying in europe for 9 years 737´s 757´s and 767 he made command fairly early (with something less then than 30 years old) he was also trained as TRI type rating instructor on 737´s as this guy has been working for ACMI operators he had a world wide operative experience .
He has been there for an interview and he went all the way down to BOG (at his own $$$$) this interview was purely made by psico ladies some of them just fresh out of university .They made some ridiculous psico test one of them called WARTEC or something like that according he, this test is the NEW MODE test between hiring company´s in colombia they make this test for almost everybody (from a bank cashier, security guy with the minimum education level or a pilot?????all the same.)
Some games with cubes and so on the personal interview the started to ask everything about family friend and so on (much of this questions are NOT allowed in Europe ,they were very keen about his age and being a training captain) the last stage was a nice Polygraph (lie detector ) .
So if you have taken some money from your parents or nicking some
penny´s you automatically become a dangerous thieve or some of the tipicall teenage sins like drink and drive or sheet on you girlfriend (lie) makes you look even worst.
Be ready to tell them you debts and how many credit cards you have and how much money you have been making is your past years (all this sounds crazy for this people european captain salary on a medium size jet astronomic numbers for colombian) all he wanted is to be back to his roots and his family , all this to grand the security of the company... who is gona tell him that this information(given to an outsourced company) is not gona be past to the bad guys and used against his family......
This is ridiculous they had a guy with a good background and they just sayd to young..... they didn´t knew his age from the beginning???
They keep paying very expensive American captains to train the own ones...
And he went back to continue doing what he was doing before Flying
737-800´s .....
If you want to work in Colombia be ready for a strange CRM (Captain resource management I´m the captain you the resource I´m the manager)
Captain are very tough and they are ALLWAYS RIGHT wen it comes to some points and the company supports them most of the times .......
In my opinion Aires is NOt an serious company like AV might be they need to grow and get rid of this Regional
.....They want to play with the big ones LIKE Delta, American,Avianca, Jet Blue they shout start to thing big......or thy might be crushed ...very fast specially at this time......
so guy´s I´ll would be thinking before working in colombia.....
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Hi guys I am back, well I have to say that almost everything the last guy posted here is true, I like the joke about colombian CRM.......
HE IS TOTALLY RIGHT ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was too funny.
We will see what happends with that huge risk that company is taking by leasing those 5 73 at a expensive cost....... and low traffic load....
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take care ..... keep the blue side up!!!!
HE IS TOTALLY RIGHT ABOUT IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that was too funny.We will see what happends with that huge risk that company is taking by leasing those 5 73 at a expensive cost....... and low traffic load....
.take care ..... keep the blue side up!!!!
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Alright, Yeah I was doing some research about airline industry in the middle east. take care, and good luck with your transition.
take care..keep the blue side up!!
take care..keep the blue side up!!
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Great news!
MDT06
Good to hear you are already down there.
It would be great to have some info about all the stuff that you need to get done for the conversion of your foreign license.
Do you already have a job offer?
Buena suerte with the señoritas also and take care.
Good to hear you are already down there.
It would be great to have some info about all the stuff that you need to get done for the conversion of your foreign license.Do you already have a job offer?
Buena suerte with the señoritas also and take care.
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Doing the conversion is not the hardest thing, I was just down there 2 weeks ago and was explained how to do it. Monies you'll spend about $4000 US dollars with everything.
I did applied to Aires but was told that till I had the colombian license they wont look at my stuff. Kind of risky to spend $4000 with no job offer up front, unless MT06 situation is different.
I did applied to Aires but was told that till I had the colombian license they wont look at my stuff. Kind of risky to spend $4000 with no job offer up front, unless MT06 situation is different.
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''Where the best looking woman are''
if you say that I believe you. Did you have the chance to fly in the states?, it's ridiculous how low salaries are for the entry level in north america. Good luck with Aires.
the mustang.
if you say that I believe you. Did you have the chance to fly in the states?, it's ridiculous how low salaries are for the entry level in north america. Good luck with Aires.
the mustang.
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Actually my whole flying career has been in the states, from airlines, corporate to fractional. Now I am looking to move back to my country, and that is why I am trying with Aires. I talked several capts down there and they say that the company is growing but they need a lot more organization with everything including the hiring process. You will also need to convert your license first before you apply. This has me thinking a lot because is a $4000 and up investment with no job offer, is kind of risky. I think Avianca is the only airline that will hire you without your license, then you'll get time to do the convertion already with a job offer.
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Mustang,
Avianca has indeed hired a few foreign copilots not too long ago, we currently have a couple of venezuelans, an argentinian and a spaniard, and a some other guys but I don´t remember their nationalities, colombian regulations require that the captain of the airplane be of colombian citizenship but not the copilot, and I heard this from one of the venezuelans I mentioned before, I honestly did not know of such regulation but I´ll take his word since he is the one that has to know how the local rules apply to him.
Jc.
Avianca has indeed hired a few foreign copilots not too long ago, we currently have a couple of venezuelans, an argentinian and a spaniard, and a some other guys but I don´t remember their nationalities, colombian regulations require that the captain of the airplane be of colombian citizenship but not the copilot, and I heard this from one of the venezuelans I mentioned before, I honestly did not know of such regulation but I´ll take his word since he is the one that has to know how the local rules apply to him.
Jc.
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Avianca, Aires and others .
Let's see if I get it right.
The Capt. has to be a citizen, but not the F/O ...
Having said that, if you are the F/O and you are not a Citizen, NO chance for an up-grade, since you are not a Colombian Citizen....
sucks doesn't it???
Started with the Colombian licence, got up to (PTL) ATP and then went to the US got my FAA ATP and started flying around the World, (You can see where I am now) tryed all the Colombian Airlines a couple of years ago and to be honest with you all ... not worth it.
Go down the road and shake a tree and just about 10 pilots will fall off, the schools over there a spiting out pilots quicker that you can say "Minimuns"
Salaries are not the best, conditions scarce, and you have to fight your way up with a lot of cousins, sons, nephews and the rest of the family members of the Capt.
Avianca is the best so far, no doubt about the training and the proficiency of the crews, (Hats off) and that is because of the kind of training you get in Colombia (single pilot IFR).
If the tests are hard is because they look for the best.
One thing I learn very early ... be a one pilot crew even if you have help, you never know when the guy on the right is going to go ...
... what???
Honestly DO NOT think they will put you on the right seat with 200 t.t. and no English
... have a friend that had to spend 200 hours just looking at the crew flying from the jump seat before he got to touch the controls ... too little time, but a Captain's friend.
Well, just had to vent my soul, had been reading this thread for some time and made me feel home-sick ... just for a second though ..
Nice time and keep it safe.
Pilocol
The Capt. has to be a citizen, but not the F/O ...
Having said that, if you are the F/O and you are not a Citizen, NO chance for an up-grade, since you are not a Colombian Citizen....
sucks doesn't it???Started with the Colombian licence, got up to (PTL) ATP and then went to the US got my FAA ATP and started flying around the World, (You can see where I am now)
tryed all the Colombian Airlines a couple of years ago and to be honest with you all ... not worth it. Go down the road and shake a tree and just about 10 pilots will fall off, the schools over there a spiting out pilots quicker that you can say "Minimuns"
Salaries are not the best, conditions scarce, and you have to fight your way up with a lot of cousins, sons, nephews and the rest of the family members of the Capt.
Avianca is the best so far, no doubt about the training and the proficiency of the crews, (Hats off) and that is because of the kind of training you get in Colombia (single pilot IFR).
If the tests are hard is because they look for the best.
One thing I learn very early ... be a one pilot crew even if you have help, you never know when the guy on the right is going to go ...
... what???Honestly DO NOT think they will put you on the right seat with 200 t.t. and no English
... have a friend that had to spend 200 hours just looking at the crew flying from the jump seat before he got to touch the controls ... too little time, but a Captain's friend.Well, just had to vent my soul, had been reading this thread for some time and made me feel home-sick ... just for a second though ..
Nice time and keep it safe.
Pilocol
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Chasing a dream!
hi all of you!
i been always so interested specialy lately to go back to colombia and work as a pilot (big childhood dream)but i dont really know what i need and how can i make it there.... im colombian and grew up in bogota, left in the year 2000 to Australia, now i got an aussie citizenship (yay!) i got ATP with MEIFR around 1500TT, 1300TT(PIC) part of that like 450 Multi(PIC) mostly my multi in PA31's and BE58's also few on the PA34(but no jet or turbine time whatsoever) anyways here it is a bit different path to make to an airline ; you have to spend at least 5-6 years battleing on GA without touching even a turbo-prop heaps of time on singles like C210's or C206's moving to light piston twins BE58 or C310 then in the "cabins" where i am now up 2 on C402's or PA31's( i been a working as a commercial pilot since 05) and after a big biiiiiiiiiiiiiig while on those maybe jump onto a king air (single pilot still) or metro(sometimes multicrew) ,then if you lucky onto a dash8 or a SAABB 340 and then you can knock few airlines doors...(corporate stuff its out of the reach asking some ridiculous time like 5000 TT PIC on turbines)all because there is alot of work here for piston aircraft ,anyways i dunno how hard will be to change my license to colombian and will i need to go for a check ride or a test flight before ill get it issue??..also because i dont have jet or any turbine time will be against me on an recruitment process??i meet on msn a pilot from cali just finishing his CPL and my impression of things were that he had not much knowledge of basic things like leaning a mixture or that in his xcountrys "solos" hes always got an instructor next to him and they cant fly without around being in company of other aircraft of the school... i though that was a bit odd but having said that the colombian wx and landscape its very very different than here in australia where pretty much evrywhere its flat and at sea level....but also he had a very good knowledge of IF procedures which i was very impressed to hear... also how much an FO on a turboprop and in a jet gets? here in australia the interwiews are very technical (because u gotta have at least all the theory passes on atpl's which are very technical and hard compare with europe and usa) in the interviews they will ask you evrything about the plane you are flying ATM and also about theirs( a/c speeds,IFR procedures,emergency procedures,steps for climbing gradients one eng inop. etc etc) followed by a psicometric exam with a sim ride and finish with the interwiew ... anyway i think i got a bit side track last year was very crazy here and instead of 1 out 50 ppl making it they were hiring almost evryone lowering their minimuns,and hiring also piston guys, but late last year with the bloody economic crisis all came to a halt and i just missed out to apply because i didn't have my ATPL,in the other hand after all this years i always wondered to fly in my country and to live again there(indefinently)..... also it is worth it to send my resume from here and if it is do i have to send it in spanish or can i send it in english(also here they hate sending resumes that are bigger than one page!!! or they more relaxed about those things over there?? )anyway ill be happy also to answer any other ppls questions about here and help... also for you mr.heading i got a friend at golf air based in bahrain and i could ask him some info on the middle east scenery but i got the fealing that should be ok if you got jet and multicrew experience like i think you have at least for a FO position.....
anyway if anyone could plz answer me will be so great .
gracias!!!!!!!! chaolin!
i been always so interested specialy lately to go back to colombia and work as a pilot (big childhood dream)but i dont really know what i need and how can i make it there.... im colombian and grew up in bogota, left in the year 2000 to Australia, now i got an aussie citizenship (yay!) i got ATP with MEIFR around 1500TT, 1300TT(PIC) part of that like 450 Multi(PIC) mostly my multi in PA31's and BE58's also few on the PA34(but no jet or turbine time whatsoever) anyways here it is a bit different path to make to an airline ; you have to spend at least 5-6 years battleing on GA without touching even a turbo-prop heaps of time on singles like C210's or C206's moving to light piston twins BE58 or C310 then in the "cabins" where i am now up 2 on C402's or PA31's( i been a working as a commercial pilot since 05) and after a big biiiiiiiiiiiiiig while on those maybe jump onto a king air (single pilot still) or metro(sometimes multicrew) ,then if you lucky onto a dash8 or a SAABB 340 and then you can knock few airlines doors...(corporate stuff its out of the reach asking some ridiculous time like 5000 TT PIC on turbines)all because there is alot of work here for piston aircraft ,anyways i dunno how hard will be to change my license to colombian and will i need to go for a check ride or a test flight before ill get it issue??..also because i dont have jet or any turbine time will be against me on an recruitment process??i meet on msn a pilot from cali just finishing his CPL and my impression of things were that he had not much knowledge of basic things like leaning a mixture or that in his xcountrys "solos" hes always got an instructor next to him and they cant fly without around being in company of other aircraft of the school... i though that was a bit odd but having said that the colombian wx and landscape its very very different than here in australia where pretty much evrywhere its flat and at sea level....but also he had a very good knowledge of IF procedures which i was very impressed to hear... also how much an FO on a turboprop and in a jet gets? here in australia the interwiews are very technical (because u gotta have at least all the theory passes on atpl's which are very technical and hard compare with europe and usa) in the interviews they will ask you evrything about the plane you are flying ATM and also about theirs( a/c speeds,IFR procedures,emergency procedures,steps for climbing gradients one eng inop. etc etc) followed by a psicometric exam with a sim ride and finish with the interwiew ... anyway i think i got a bit side track
last year was very crazy here and instead of 1 out 50 ppl making it they were hiring almost evryone lowering their minimuns,and hiring also piston guys, but late last year with the bloody economic crisis all came to a halt and i just missed out to apply because i didn't have my ATPL,in the other hand after all this years i always wondered to fly in my country and to live again there(indefinently)..... also it is worth it to send my resume from here and if it is do i have to send it in spanish or can i send it in english(also here they hate sending resumes that are bigger than one page!!! or they more relaxed about those things over there?? )anyway ill be happy also to answer any other ppls questions about here and help... also for you mr.heading i got a friend at golf air based in bahrain and i could ask him some info on the middle east scenery but i got the fealing that should be ok if you got jet and multicrew experience like i think you have at least for a FO position.....anyway if anyone could plz answer me will be so great .
gracias!!!!!!!! chaolin!
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AMAZING, now everyone is feeling the need to return to their country, and for those not born in Colombia, now you are interested.!!!.. wow.
How things change ah???
Well, colleague F1pilot, I wish you good luck, and thank you for that info about gulfair. I suggest you to read form the beggining of this thread, it is well explained.
Good luck,
Keep the blue side Up!!!
How things change ah???
Well, colleague F1pilot, I wish you good luck, and thank you for that info about gulfair. I suggest you to read form the beggining of this thread, it is well explained.
Good luck,
Keep the blue side Up!!!
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