The backlash against foreign pilots explained to foreign pilots
 

Note : This post is NOT about foreign pilots who immigrate to Canada.

It's probably in the winter of 98-99 that Canadian and European airlines began reciprocal agreements to swap aircraft and pilots.

The peak season for narrow body airliners is the summer in Europe, but in the winter in Canada. It thus made perfect sense for European pilots and aircraft to come to Canada in the winter to help fly those extra passengers, and for Canadians aircraft and pilots to go to Europe in the summer, to reciprocate.

Several Canadian and European airlines engaged in these reciprocal exchanges from 1998 to 2010, for a period of about 12 years, without raising the ire of any group, for in fact it was beneficial to all concerned, the airlines and the pilots, in Canada as in Europe.

Sharing aircraft and crews allowed airlines in Europe and Canada to maximize the use of the shared aircraft, and instead of having part time seasonal pilots, that would be laid off during the low season, it allowed pilots of participating airlines to increase year round full time employment for the pilots involved in reciprocal agreements. This was a win-win situation for all and no one complained.

Who is spoiling it now ?

In 2010, the European travel giant TUI purchased 49% of Canada's Sunwing Airlines. That winter, before the purchase, Sunwing's peak winter fleet had gone up to 12 aircraft. Sunwing's permanent Canadian fleet was around 5 aircraft, 4 of which would be sent to Europe in the summer.

The winter the TUI acquisition, in 2010-2011, Sunwing's fleet went up to 18 aircraft and about 78 European pilots came to Canada, while and Sunwing sent just just 3 aircraft to Europe the following summer (2011) for a total of about 45 pilots.

In the winter of 2011-2012, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 23 aircraft and about 180 European pilots came to Canada to work for Sunwing. At the time, Sunwing employed only about 140 Canadian pilots. We had a situation where Sunwing had more European pilots than Canadians. Sunwing's own fleet that year was about 8 aircraft, the other 15 were short term leases from Europe. The next summer, Sunwing sent just 4 aircraft to Europe (about 60 pilots) plus another 12 pilots that went to fly European registered aircraft, the last year that Europe allowed that practice.

In the winter of 2012-2013, Sunwing's fleet went up to 29 aircraft, with close to 200 Foreign pilots, some flying Canadian registered aircraft, others imported with wet-leased aircraft. The next summer, Sunwing sent 7 aircraft to Europe, about 100 pilots. It was the record year for Canadian pilots in Europe.

During the 2013-2014 winter, Sunwing's was at 32 aircraft and it again had about 180 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian Registered aircraft and 4 aircraft on wet-lease with about 60 pilots. The next summer, Sunwing sent 4 aircraft to Europe with about 60 pilots.

This winter, Sunwing's winter fleet went up to 37 aircraft, and it again imported about 195 foreign pilots, 120 to fly Canadian registered aircraft and 5 foreign wet-leases with about another 75 foreign pilots. I heard they may be again sending 4 aircraft to Europe this coming summer.

Such reciprocal agreements of swapping pilots are supposed to be beneficial for the pilot groups on both sides of the Atlantic. But from the moment there is abuse and the exchanges are no longer fair and equal, there will be a backlash and the sauce will be spoiled for all.

I have received messages from Thomson pilots sincerely thinking that the pilot exchanges were fair and balanced as far as they are concerned, because the pilot exchanges between Sunwing and Thomson, as seen in bubble, were balanced. But Sunwing is a TUI-owned company and in addition to sending the Thomson pilots, TUI also sends TUIfly, Jetairfly and Arkefly pilots to Canada in the winter. Sunwing also leases more European aircraft and more European pilots from a non-TUI airline, Czech-based Travel Service.

If this imbalance in pilot exchanges is maintained, the exchanges will disappear altogether and those who now benefit from it will bear the consequences. If they are balanced, they will continue, to everyone's benefit.

In the past 5 years, about 3 times as many European pilots have been coming to Canada each winter for Sunwing than Canadian pilots flying for European airlines in the summer.

Please understand that we do not need European pilots in Canada. Canada has a thriving aviation industry where young low time Canadian pilots can find jobs and gain experience while waiting for the airline job (for those who want to go there), on bush aircraft, crop-dusters, on water bombers, on light piston aircraft, on light turboprops, on medium turbo-props, on corporate jets, and also lighter jets such as CRJs. Here in Canada, pilots do not pay for their own Type Ratings, there is no Cadet program and airlines that operate transport category jets normally require 3000 to 4000 hours for a new first officer position and easily fill those slots with those requirements.

All transport jet first-officers in Canada are normally ATPL rated and have several thousand hours at the time of hire.
We never have CPL rated low timers in the right seat of Transport category jets in Canada, nor do we have pilots with self funded Type Ratings.
We do not have Cadet programs in Canada, we don't need to.
We do not have pay to fly schemes because pilots who are rated on 737s and 320s were first employed by the airlines that operate these aircraft and were provided the type rating and the line training free of charge to the pilots because the airline needs them.

The B737NG jobs that are presently taken by the Europeans, some of which are CPL low timers, are those same jobs that young Canadians who have paid their dues with several thousand hours of light piston aircraft, turboprop time, or light jet time, look forward to in order to make their careers progress to the airlines.

We do not NEED foreign pilots in Canada. The only reason we do it is for the reasons of reciprocity, to avoid lay offs and provide year round employment to those Canadian pilots engaged in reciprocity.

From the moment those reciprocity reasons no longer exist, we will pull the plug on this fake reciprocity business and you Europeans pilots who normally come to Canada in the winter will get to stay at home in the winter and twist your thumbs.

I hope that those European pilots who have common sense will realize that it is in their best interest to make sure that the relationship between the Sunwing group and the European partners with which Sunwing enters into "reciprocal" agreements with will not get greedy and keep it fair and balanced, in the best interests all concerned.

We once did a 2 week petition that we sent to the immigration minister to protest the foreign pilots and gathered 2500 signatures, and there are barely 10,000 of us.

I completely agree with you, however, I don't think that what you, or any group of unorganized (non-unionized) Canadian pilots would prefer is what matters here.
What matters is money, plain and simple, and the cheap ass owners of Sunwing and whoever else wants to engage in this practice will decide how this will play out. I doubt very much that the Canadian government is too concerned about the jobs of a couple of hundred pilots for six months per year.
I wish it were different, as I say, I completely agree with everything in your post.
I'm mostly flying now with European FOs who came up through that system, and I'm not a fan, however, at least it beats the cadet system.

Canjet layoffs
 

Today, 47 Canjet pilots, all rated, current and experienced on the B737NG received their layoff notices.

Just to let those who think Canada needs them know.......

fully agree with you. It's a way of saving the company money pure and simple. No need for it like there's no need for cadets. Government doesn't care, they'll just pay a few dozen pilots EI cheques again. No big deal.

Fully agree with you,in the same way we dont need canadians,americans,australians coming to fly in europe durinh their furloughing period!

Five or six years ago I was flying for a small European operator, now sadly no more. At that time many of my mates, all type rated and experienced on the 737 were out of work. In the summer we had two sun wings 737-800s flying for us, with our cabin crew and Canadian pilots. In the winter we were supposed to take our 800s to Canada, but Sunwings cancelled it. The next summer Sunwings were back flying for us again. I don't recall hearing that a single Canadian pilot had ever said to their management "I refuse to fly in Europe because there are lots of type rated European pilots looking for jobs on the 737".
But maybe I'm missing something. Perhaps Canadians should be able to work in the UK, or Africa, or the Middle East, or China, or anywhere else they can get a work permit, but no one except Canadians should be allowed to work in Canada.
That sounds fair, doesn't it?

All due respect to foreigners. We have a huge issue in Canada with foreign workers right now. The TFW (Temporary Foreign Workers) program is in shambles and this being an election year, much political posturing is ongoing at this moment on how to avoid fumbling this hot potato. There is far more involved than 100 or so pilots and this is a large dilemma in Canada.

Almost every nation on the planet has laws and statutes which address foreign workers and many trade agreements.

No country in the world is immune from scrutiny on protectionist legislation. Every EU nation has some dirt on their hands for exactly such conduct. Australia has had some of the toughest work visa regulations for many years (I had such status down under in the 80's), and the process was onerous to say the least. The far east is so inconsistent and convoluted, one can hardly consider them anything other than confused.

Canadian politics is entering a phase where we need government to tackle many outstanding problems within our nation, some of which are foreigners (More specifically foreigners taking jobs from Canadians when we have enough skill to fill the bill), and the lost opportunities for our own youth and trained but not employed skilled workers. If some of you foreign fellows want, you can apply for citizenship and stay, if you have skills and training we will welcome you with open arms. If you intend to come here and turn us into a facsimile of where you came from, save your ink and apply elsewhere. We may be somewhat protectionist, however I can find similar statutes and protectionist law in all other nations. Good day.

Protectionism never really works in the long run. It ultimately leads to expensive and crappy wine being made in greenhouses in Greenland, or Sahara making bad fake snow. Nobody wins. But short term, perhaps.

@Kesskidi, in Canada we have many protectionist laws, mostly outdated and originally intended to be temporary. Unfortunately reality has dictated the recipients of these subsidies (can't really classify them as anything but) are loathe to surrender the advantages gained. Be it Dairy, eggs, grain, they all are recipients of protectionist law. Try the Quebec cheese quota dilemma, the lack of return on the autopak bailout in 2008 etc.. After the federal govt. sold those GM shares they bought to help GM stave off bankruptcy, the bonus is a 3 billion loss for taxpayers. Government should be loathe to ever help protect any jobs, witnessed by the mass exodus of GM jobs lately. Not much long term return on that investment (both opposition parties would have given more money to GM had they actually the ability to do so according to JT & Mulcair).

Nowhere do I say I find protectionist law to be remotely attractive. I do know for a fact that should we address this on any single item it should be tossed. This should be a wholesale change in thinking for the entire nation and every instance of protectionist law should be tossed, of course the Belle Province has far more silly outdated instances of this than any other Province. Quebec having it's own foreign investor/immigration for sale program is so stunned it defies description. Ontario has a protectionist Premier as does Manitoba these days, good luck with those 2 Provinces. BC has the most corrupt Provincial govt. in the nation, ethics is a word never used or adhered to from that crowd. If one of their financial backers can make a nickel off the protectionist law, no chance of that going well.

Overall we have some fairly suspect leadership in all levels of Canadian politics, chances of any coming to their senses are not promising. All the bureaucrats who butter their bread running the various agencies that are involved will go postal. Also the industry agencies (many operating as not for profits) and the employees of them will equally go postal. Not an appealing thought for any political entity, let alone the special interest caterers we now have masquerading as politicians in Canada these days.

Just a grumpy ole fart's two cents worth, your mileage may vary...

Arcdu - I totally agree. This gets very old. The amount of Canadians flying overseas, whether on rotation, or permanently is also at quite a number. What I read here is Canadians should be the only ones flying in Canada, no foreigners. Just because you have some pro active foreigners looking for work outside of their home/comfort zone, doesn't mean they can criticized for doing so.

Arcdu, this back and forth reciprocal deals between Canadian and European companies went on for about a dozen years without much problems. Canadian came over to Europe in the Summer and Europeans came over to Canada in the winter. But the trades were equal, or more or less so.

After Canada 3000 went under in 2002, their unemployed pilots tried to block the Europeans pilots from coming to Canada to fly for Skyservice, claiming that because they were unemployed, the foreigners should stay home. They were unsuccessful because Skyservice was doing true and equal reciprocity with the UK airlines and that allowed Skyservice pilots to have full time employment instead of seasonal jobs. About 70 UK pilots still came over to Canada in 2003, My Travel pilots I think it was.

After TUI purchased Sunwing in 2010, things changed and ever since then, the exchanges have always favored the Europeans by a very large margin. For 5 consecutive years.
One year, there were more Europeans pilots flying Sunwing Canadian registered aircraft than Canadian pilots, about 145 to 180 I think.

Do you you picture Thomson one summer having more Canadian pilots than Europeans pilots flying Thomson UK registered aircraft ?

Plus the Europeans no longer allow Foreign Licenced pilots to fly European registered aircraft. So I don't see why Canada should allow Foreign licenced pilots to fly Canadian Registered aircraft.

Information provided by the above poster is not acurate.
The above poster does not represent pilots in Canada, his posts are just personal opinions.

Protectionism is wildly successful for South Korea, Japan, Scandinavia and several other industrialized countries. North American Free Trade has decimated the middle class in the U.S. and parts of Canada. It has given rise to the "3 part-time jobs in the service sector just to keep my head above debt, as I compete with temporary workers" career profile.

Airline pilot hiring is quite outside the mainstream job market.
It is the exception and few generalizations apply.


China? Don't get me started...

wrong.
what has eroded middle class income in USA and Canada are conservative governments favouring shareholders.
while China was working its ass off, USA and Canada were outsourcing to provide more money to shareholders.
According to some highly paid incompetent poeple, the only way a company is able to "make money" today is by decreasing salaries. not by selling at better price a better product (toyota anyone ?).
what's wrong ?
decreasing salaries means less income and people will consume less. you don't create wealth by decreasing salaries, you create poverty.
if you want to create wealth with your company, you have to have good ideas.

Canadian jobs to Canadian pilots ? sure, keep at it. Who else would move to Canada for those wages anyway....?

Wrong? My entire statement is wrong?



As an aside, I never cease to be amazed at how soon the "Comments" section of ANY Canadian news item points out how Stephen Harper and/or the Conservative government is to blame. It could be anything from playground safety to a triple homicide. To a great many Canadians, Stephen Harper seems to be at fault for everything. Oops, sorry, there I go again. Another WRONG opinion based on observation and research.

Dang it! I guess I'll just have to revert to rhetoric.

Evans, you're RIGHT! When the sheeple elect Margret Trudeau's red diaper doper son things will be wonderful.

Hope and change in short pants.

You mean hope ya got some change left in your flood pants! The 3 above posts are restoring my faith in my fellow Canadians. The blame Steve crowd is getting on my responsible and accountable nerves!

Toronto Star article on TFW pilots
 

http://torontostar.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/iphone/homepage.aspx#_article148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/waarticle148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/148f217c-3824-4a5b-9036-880dbf5e099b/2/true

Very short memories
 

How many times have the same crooks started airlines in Canada leaving employees in debt ?

The real problem in the lack of accountability at management level, don't point the finger at the people doing as they are told. The people making the business case for European pilots would be Canadians in management, direct your energy, and the energy of your politicians at the real issue (management and looking after their bonus), not the distraction (people like you trying to make a living).

Make a real business case to hire local, get management to justify their business case.

You will be surprised how shallow the management business case is, and how fake the savings are.

Probably striking closer to home......
 

'Ron Smith, director of transportation at Unifor, which represents Sunwing's pilots, says the union is committed to getting more Canadians hired. "We are getting that reversed, but it takes time. It's not something that happens overnight," he said.

He added the pilots like Hudicourt who complain about Sunwing's use of foreign pilots work for rival airlines.

''Their goal has been to kill Sunwing. They're trying to make life difficult for Sunwing," Smith said.'

Facebook group
 

We started a Facebook group last week which is called "Canadian aircraft flown by Canadian pilots" It already has over 2000 members

No point in posting that Jetgate. This is all about SunWings and only marginally about TFWs.

In noting the history of TFWs, Mr Hudicourt conveniently left out his company's role in bringing TFWs to Canada before Sunwings. Sunwings just played the game better and so now he is championing the rights of Canadian pilots....which is why Sunwings name appears so frequently.

Their business model is progressing well, and they are hiring more Canadian pilots every year.. Something Hudicourt and gang dont really consider.

Sunwings seems to have a pretty good business model that employs Canadian pilots and many many others. That is a good thing. Could they employ more? Probably, but give them a few years to accomplish it.
The whole TFW issue with regard to airlines is , in my opinion, nothing but a smokescreen by a competitor.
Where was Mr Hudicourt and company when Sunwings objected to Canjet and......Air Transit using TFWs?
But when Sunwings bellied up to the table and played the game, the crying, wailing, and complaining of the unfairness of it all started.
The rationale is Sunwings should hire all Canadian pilots. If they go broke as a result and lay off thousands....well good old AirTransit will step in and help out.....you can count on it.

Don't get me wrong. I think there is a real issue with TFWs in Canada, and in the aviation sector, particularily the RW side, as well.
But this whole centering out Sunwings, and the derogatory remarks and slurs about them are not about TFW as much as they are about trying to use the sheeple to fight a competitor.

Canjet airlines just laid off 68 Boeing 737NG type rated pilots.
First Air recently laid off several jet pilots.
Canadian North recently laid off several jet pilots.
Kelowna Flightcraft recently laid off several jet pilots.

The pilots of all four of these airlines are unionized under ALPA.

Why can't these qualified Canadian pilots get first shot at Canadian jobs at Canadian airlines in Canada ?

Why exactly does Sunwing need several more years to adapt ? Adapt to what ?

This is like Norwegian hiring pilots in Thailand. Except Norwegian at least requires an EASA licence. Imagine if Irish registered, UK based Norwegian, hired non European pilots with non EU licenses. That is what Sunwing does in Canada.

Why ?

There is NO political will in Canada to bring this issue to a sensible or satisfactory conclusion.
The Canadian government is a total sellout in full denial.
Employable Canadian pilots on the dole while foreign pilots are handed Canadian pilot jobs....
If any of that logic needs to be explained or justified, never mind defended, by anyone. Then, Canada and Canadian pilots simply don't realize how far into the sewer things have fallen.

Willie

Beautiful eh Willie? Add to that, the EI people will actually offer to retrain those "Unemployable" out of work pilots in a totally different field rather than step in and find them meaningful work in their own field. There are actually Canadians who have their head so far in the sand that they see the current government and it's sell Canada out policies as great for the country...

Lefty,
I don't know how much further into the sewer the so-called pilot profession in Canada can slide. It's for sure no one in government understands how the future of Canadian aviation is to survive if new comers and mid-career pilots can't access Canadian flying jobs.
Unbelievable!!

Willie :mad:

Information provided by the above poster is not acurate.
The above poster does not represent pilots in Canada, his posts are just personal opinions.

+++++

The TFW program would have, has, and will continue to change without having any input from some of those who claim to be championing the cause..

Mr Kul
 

Please tell us how those changes will be made? The regulator in Canada refuses to follow their own Laws...the Government will only make small changes but continues to yell from their stump that it's under control...yet SW still has carte blanche to bring in TFW'S. Tell us how that's a change...I will believe you when NO foreign pilots take Canadian Pilot's jobs. In the meantime, if no one was to say anything, is it your belief that the process would go forward on it's own? That defies belief if you ask anyone with a reasonable amount of business sense. (The reciprocity or zero sum issue is a dead one...agreed?)

Are you asking a legitimate question?

Here is what I get from your post
The regulator in Canada refuses to follow their own Laws...the Government will only make small changes but continues to yell from their stump that it's under control...yet SW still has carte blanche to bring in TFW'S. Tell us how that's a change...I will believe you when NO foreign pilots take Canadian Pilot's jobs. In the meantime, if no one was to say anything, is it your belief that the process would go forward on it's own? That defies belief if you ask anyone with a reasonable amount of business sense. (The reciprocity or zero sum issue is a dead one...agreed?)

You have stated, what apparently you believe is fact that the regulator refuses to follow their own laws.....what is the basis for that claim, and think about your answer a bit before you simply regurgate the unsubstantiated ramblings of another poster.
SW...has carte blanche. Really? How do you actually know that?

A big part of the whole issue as far as TFWs in the aviation sector is not only the focus on Sunwing to almost the total exclusion of all other companies involved in the practice, but that a poster can come on here and make claim after claim, and as their claims are appealing to others, they become fact. It just aint so.

Throw enough mud against the wall, and eventually some will stick. But despite that attempt, not very much has stuck.

I try to be cautious about making claims like the regulator ignoring their own laws, (whatever that actually means). I find others, not so much. And yet others who have made claims that what SW was doing was blatently illegal..something those with a vested interest were all to willing to believe.

The use of TFWs as a part of a long term business model makes sense to me. It allows a company to grow with less risk exposure. Remain profitable, and ultimately provide employment for Many Canadians, not just pilots.
But it also means that if the model is successful it may necessarily impact on the competitors.
It is a great competitive strategy, then, to have someone demonstrate concern for all Canadian pilots as it supposedly will be broadly excepted as a grand battle for the rights of downtrodden Canadian pilots...and so many of them simply dont question the facts, or even consider them carefully.

If the trend of using TFWs is downward, the only issue I see is that the trend is not happening fast enough for some, and has SW eating their competitor's lunches. Besides, the TFW issue is about more than Air Transit's competitor, and even in just the aviation sector , more than that.

Maybe ask yourself why some people are putting so much focus on a specific company. In the grand scheme of things, there are some helicopter companies that, as a percentage of their pilots, are above the number of SunWings,
But some of the grand champions of the cause dont work for their competitors.

Sheeple is a good word.

My rant for the day, and now I will run for cover and leave it to the rest of you before the howling mob attacks...

Treykule, how do you know about TFW pilots at certain Canadian helicopter companies, about the number of TFW pilots they have ?

You know it from me, and the Access to Information Requests (ATIP) that I have made, obtained, and made public on several Forums to which you subscribe. Me, the same guy who attacks Sunwing for using close to 200 Foreign pilots every year for the past 4 years.
And you have the gall to criticize me for making a larger fuss over Sunwing than the Helicopter Operators.
The reason is that although some Helicopter Operators proportionally use more TFW pilots than Sunwing does, it remains that their numbers are relatively small.

In 2013, ESDC allowed 356 TFW pilots into Canada and 120 of those were Sunwing's, the balance spread among other Canadian Operators.
In 2014, ESDC allowed 218 TFW pilots into Canada and 110 of those were Sunwing's, the balance spread among other Canadian Operators.

The numbers do not reveal the full reality because in addition to the above numbers, Sunwing also Wet-Leased 4 foreign aircraft in 2013 and five in 2014, each one of which brought over a dozen foreign pilots into Canada.

And you want to know for whom change is not happening fast enough ? No me that has a steady job and a paycheck coming in every two weeks. Those that have fire to their feet are those Canadians that lost their jobs, who may also lose homes in the process, that are qualified B737 pilots and who don't understand why they should remain on EI, accept some low paying job or go into exile in China when Sunwing is hiring and has just applied for 105 TFW pilots for next winter, claiming as always, that it is to fill a so called labour shortage of pilots in Canada, as though those Type rated Canjet guys did not exist. Several of those Canjet pilots are ex Skyservice, ex Zoom etc....

Explain to them why they must wait on the sidelines and possibly lose their homes while Sunwing is allowed to slowly reduces its addiction to foreign pilots over several years. Why over several years ? Why not now ?

I think if we all knew your identity, your stance would become clear to all readers here. Your replies to any of my posts are to defend what Sunwing does and an attempt to always discredit me and always question my motives. I post under my real name. What could yours possibly reveal ?

If he worked for Sunwing, he'd know how to spell the company name properly.

At the end of the day...

- Sectors of the aviation business in Canada are highly seasonal

- It's unreasonable to require companies to employ 100% staff year-round for what is a seasonal business

- It's unrealistic to think that 100% of the seasonal demand can be filled by qualified Canadians pilots alone

So the crux of the discussion is simply how many foreign pilots need to come every year.

We each can have an opinion if it should be less, or if it should be more, or if the levels are acceptable -- but opinion is not law.

Everything else is rhetoric. E.g., "balancing" the number of foreign pilots coming in vs. Canadian pilots going elsewhere, etc., is nice but irrelevant to the core of the issue.

Trey et al
 

I recall a conversation several years ago with a friend at Sunwing regarding the use of TFW at his place of employment, and he assured me, at the time, that it was only a temporary situation, and that within a year or so, they would be fully staffed by Canadian pilots. I suppose he believed the rhetoric from the top. I'm pretty sure you do as well. The regulator in Canada has time and again, broken it's own regulations (or the Law, but you prefer to challenge on a very small point, so you can have that little win.) The proof is easy to find. Follow the evidence in the CAR's and you will find it. (Mr Huddicourt has also been very generous with his evidence on this.) It's clear to many, but you find it easier to make your arguments for the program (TFW) based on the "it's not fair, we use less each year, and you guys are wrong because someone else did it first, and if we change we'll go out of business..." Strong argument? No... Sour grapes? Yes. When you can tell us that Sunwing will hire the needed crews and put 100% Canadian pilots to work, and open the seasonal Captain jobs rather than keep unemployed QUALIFIED pilots on the street, the shouting will stop. When Sunwing can play fairly, they will no doubt garner the respect they so crave as a good employer. Until then, the argument will continue, and the publicity will continue harming the staff who work hard and professionally. It's a shame that Sunwing staff are smeared by the bad smell caused by it's management. You'd best consider directing your argument in that direction rather than here and maybe you'd regain a little credibility. Incidentally, if I seem to be targeting Sunwing, how about you do this...replace Sunwing with the name of any aviation company who gets away with the lie that there are no qualified pilots, so we need TFW help. There...feel better?

You know it from me, and the Access to Information Requests (ATIP) that I have made, obtained, and made public on several Forums to which you subscribe. Me, the same guy who attacks Sunwing for using close to 200 Foreign pilots every year for the past 4 years.

Another One of your false claims. I did not get that information from you

Get over yourself.

The Fairy Godmother told you perhaps.

Name your source and you will see how it comes right back to me.

Of course you won't.

I have no intention of naming names on a public forum. Believe what you will, but I assure you that the issue of TFWs by the rotary wing industry was known long to myself and many many others before you trumpeted it out.

Your mud slinging, mob attacking, calling out people is, not helping things like you would like to think , or have us believe
Anyway, before I sink any closer toyour level, I will stop posting for now.

I have a great idea, How about Canadian pilots be banned from working in ANY other country, the glut of experienced pilots returning to Canada will screw you all very much.

How about Voyger, Ken Borek etc be confined to Canada only and then how many pilots work for them ?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::confused:

Really?
 

Hey Ejector,

How do you figure that? In almost all cases the Canadian pilots you so quickly condemn aren't taking jobs away from other QUALIFIED pilots in their home (foreign) countries. Those jobs do go to almost all locals who want them and can be trained. Then the foreign pilots are replaced by those locals. The Canadian pilots, along with many other nationalities are required to keep the level of qualified staffing up...otherwise those types of companies might fail. As for returning home, just where would you have them go? There's a very good chance they had to leave because the company they worked for let them go in a downsize or failed outright. I'm gonna say that almost all new hires at most Canadian companies have to join at the bottom of a seniority list and those who are returning and need or want to work will always have to deal with that...and likely not for the first time their career. If they took a leave of absence to work off shore they would still have a seniority number in place. Why the hate? It's not hard to figure out...most come home to resume a job they already have. Or retire...in which case your job is safe!