Thomas Cook Canada to immerge this spring!
 

Rumours that Thomas cook is set to snatch up Skyservice and Canjet to package their Thomas Cook Canada brand and start selling for W10...Fleet change to B737-800's which would be provided by TUI/Canjet and Skyservice's mash-up of A320's and B757's would continue to be phased out until lease returns are complete. Thomas Cook is eligible to market their namebrand in Canada starting spring 10!

Good news for Thomas Cook and aviation

I cant see this happening, for a number of reasons. First off the long term agreement with CJ has with AT (conflict of interest?). Secondly by contracting out flying to CJ and 5G it gives them flexibility to grow and shrink their fleet requirements based on demand and economy having their own airline would involve more risk I would think and im not sure tour operators want more risk. Thirdly Thomas Cook is very present in the Canadian market as Sunquest/Alba why change that?

Would be nice to see but I don't see it happening well at least the purchasing of CJ and 5G. Why those 2? Why not purchase one? Either one would suffice I would think.

Someone needs to research the foreign ownership requirements for airlines in Canada before posting baseless rumours.

"Someone needs to research the foreign ownership requirements for airlines in Canada before posting baseless rumours."

Someone needs to go to business school before making comments like that!

:D

Thomas Cook Canada is owned by Thomas Cook PLC, a UK owned company. Under the foreign ownership rules, they cannot own a majority interest in a Canadian airline. That is why they contract out their flying to Canadian airlines like Skyservice, Westjet, Air Transat, etc. Otherwise, they would have started their own airline back in the 90s. Instead, Sunquest signed up with Skyservice at that time.

Canada mulls easing airline ownership rules | Reuters

Foreign ownership is restricted to 25% but may go up to 49% very soon. Some people say that it is a done deal.

I still don't get what the point would be. Why fix something that isn't broken. Seems that Canjet, Skyservice AT..etc do a pretty good job at providing them the lift they need. Im not to sure I see a benefit.?

Thomas Cook HAS to acquire majority (49%) ownership of these 'available' carriers to make ONE large carrier so that in 2 to 5 years it can fall into bankruptcy and fail. Thereby wiping out all three charter carriers. That's how the Canadian airline businesses (I hate the reference, industry) works.
Doesn't it?

What did we learn from the Canada 3000 experiment with Royal and....(yes, them again) CanJet??? Nothing?

...watch this space

No way!


Air Transat got contract with TK because they have 3 A330 on the ground doing nothing, believe me Transat will never let that to happen!

:E

Transat got a major contract with Canjet, so again they will not let this happen!
or cancel the contract!


which would be provided by TUI/Canjet and Skyservice's


Tui just buy about 40% in Sunwings, your rumour is funny!:ok:

But that will do nothing to change the requirement that the airline must remain under majority Canadian control. It would do TCX no good at all to take a minority (and non-controlling) interest in any Canadian company.

For me, the same logic applies to the TUI "investment" in Sunwing. Does anyone else find it highly coincidental that they got an apparent 49% interest in Sunwing for their $100 million investment? Doing the math, that makes Sunwing a company worth $200 million and change. Hmmm.

I really hope this merge rumor will happen. Recently 5G had a lot of Signature flights canceled as they are not selling and also most of their flights are going to SW. Soon Signature will be flying with SW as they just merge together.
5G and CJ I see the possibility of both of them joining forces with TX as they've been doing flights for the tour operator.
Also 5G maintenance has been training to fix B737, but at the same time don't forget 5G is mainly owned now by Girbalt so if TX wants to buy 5G from Girbalt they will need to spend a lot of money. Also 5G is one of the most expensive charter airline out there second to AT.
There is so much involved in this rumor that is a fifty, fifty chance that might happen

I heard today that the Air Transat deal with Canjet is not going to well and Air Transat are looking to cancel the deal.
Plus, Air Transat will be taking back it's UK routes in spring.
Something to do with when Transat aquired Canadian Affair they had to allwo Thomas Cook to continue operating on behalf of Canadian Affiar for a certain time period.

Air Transat are now roumered to be replacing it's A310's with A330's and a B737 fleet.

So, with that said, Thomas Cook could be here as Thomas Cook Canada, but then again, didn't Transat buy Thomas Cook Canada 2 years ago?

Transat Tours bought the Thomas Cook travel shops in Canada three years ago. That sale included a non-compete clause for three years that restricted TCX from entering certain elements of the marketplace. That expires very soon. TCX are the largest integrated holiday company in the world and they may see some opportunities that they will now be able to exploit. What those are is anybody's guess. BTW, Thomas Cook still owns Sunquest Vacations, Alba Tours and some related travel businesses in Canada.

So J.O. do you think that's the reason why Alba Tours/Sunquest Vacantion didn't do their Italy program with Skyservice because they are locked in with Air Transat?

No, it's because Transat gives them seats that are "non-risk" whereas they are on the hook for the entire aircraft when they put an A330 on with SSV. This summer, Transat will only fly two Italian destinations for SQV / ALB, SUF and PSR. The remainder of their passengers will fly on Alitalia. The pricing Alitalia gave them is ridiculously low given that airline's notoriously high cost structure. Alitalia is simply trying to limit competition and sell seats that would otherwise be empty.

I see...i actually saw in theirs sched that they only start the Italy program with AT late June or something for those two destination.

There has been a lot of buzz lately surrounding Skyservice, but nothing has yet materialized. I'm still curious to see what happens with the Canadian tour operators and charter airlines once the busy winter season is over.

Gibralt wants out. This is the latest. 5G has dropped the ball in a very complicated game of holdem poker. TCX has been in talks with other carriers due to 5G's inability to come to a definative resolve. Problems with crewing and scheduling were experienced, and have heavily weighed on TCX's overall risk exposure and committments. Look for new tails in the future, TCX is not waiting around for 5G to get themselves sorted. There's money to be made mate! Sounds like the crews have really made a mess at 5G!

How do you figure the crews at 5G are responsible for the airline's problems?

just curious....

bd :cool:

Thats quite the loaded statement, I hope you have all of your facts in order in regards to crew being the primary reason for Thomas Cook's/Sunquest dissatisfaction with Skyservice.

Someone is trolling and looking for a reaction. Don't take the bait.

the dirty sensor = Moron....

you ignorant bastard. turn on your tv and check the news!

Check your bank accounts......paid out. 10am announcement today. Best of luck in the future.....

Sadly confirmed this morning. Best of luck to all involved.

http://=http://www.cbc.ca/money/stor...#ixzz0jm5dnPhA

I'm sure all will agree your post is offensive DS. It would be gentlemanly and sensible to edit your final sentiment to those affected. :=:=

Good luck to you all. Best wishes.

Well done DS. :ok::ok:

Jazz Air in agreement with Thomas Cook Canada

Jazz Air LP announces flight services agreement with Thomas Cook Canada to operate Boeing 757-200 aircraft

Jazz Air LP announces flight services agreement with Thomas Cook Canada to operate Boeing 757-200 aircraft

HALIFAX, April 5 /CNW/ - Today, Jazz Air LP announced that it has signed a flight services agreement with Thomas Cook Canada Inc. ("Thomas Cook") to operate no less than six Boeing 757-200 aircraft on their behalf to various sun destinations from Canadian gateways during the winter season (November through April). Subject to Jazz obtaining the required regulatory approvals and the execution of definitive leasing and maintenance agreements with Thomas Cook Airlines Ltd., the service will commence in November 2010.
If on or before May 30, 2010 Jazz and Thomas Cook are able to agree on pricing for the third, fourth and fifth winter seasons, then the agreement will be for a term ending April 30, 2015. Otherwise the agreement will have an initial term ending April 30, 2012.
This agreement is expected to generate approximately $100 million in additional annual revenues. The terms and conditions of the transaction are confidential.
"Growing and diversifying our business remains a top corporate priority; our agreement with Thomas Cook is a strong start that delivers value to all of our stakeholders," said Joseph Randell, President and Chief Executive Officer, Jazz Air LP. "We are thrilled to be partnering with one of the world's largest leisure travel groups, and it's our employees who have brought us to this important milestone. Our demonstrated ability to operate safely, reliably and with excellent customer service at competitive rates is the reason why we are able to grow and diversify our business. All our employees are to be commended for their 'can do' attitude and professionalism."
The opportunity to enter into this strategic partnership provides the potential for additional benefits for all stakeholders with minimum risk. The aircraft will be leased to Jazz Air LP from Thomas Cook Airlines Ltd. The plan is to brand the service as 'Thomas Cook' beginning in January, 2011.
"We see a great fit between Thomas Cook and Jazz," said Michael Friisdahl, President and Chief Executive Officer, Thomas Cook North America. "We're pleased to partner with an airline that prides itself on exceptional customer service and boasts amongst the strongest on-time performance in North America."

And the question is who will do the flying? good for Jazz!

:ooh:Hey J.O (Jeff), talking out your pooper again? What was that you were saying about foreign ownership laws? Didn't quite get your jist son.:\:D

How much ownership did Thomas Cook take in Jazz? Not a plug nickel. You were the one who said they were starting a new airline, not me. Stop being so arrogant.

who?
 

As the financial post article indicates, it looks like jazz will hire contract pilots rather than offer the spots to its existing pilots, unfortunately. I expect it will all be former skyservice drivers.
Bad for both groups, I would expect.:ugh:

update:
Well, thanks to a friend in Jazz, I got a peek at an ALPA email, and it appears it will be Jazz pilots flying the '57s and Jazz cabin crew. Curious as to how junior the most junior FO on those things will be.

All of the Skyservice pilots are redundant while the Jazz pilots find themselves flying and possibly hiring to grab others work. I find it disappointing that pilots in Canada will take each others work on any "bigger" aircraft.

It is too bad Jazz could not expand or look for new opportunities rather than assist the Thomas Cook congolmerate in replacing one pilot group with another, thereby forcing 150 pilots out on the street.

The race to bottom is alive and well...

And whose work did SSV take when it was created? When Sunquest wanted their own airline.

SSV was a ship that had been taking on water for quite some time,
and it finally slipped below the surface. Such is the new age, deal with it !!

Jazz pilots are not the bad guys here so keep your stupid, ignorant shots
to yourselves.

Jazz is a ALPA pilot group, and no contract pilots will be needed.
We promote from within, PERIOD.

Jazz has the highest OTP of any airline in North America.
SSV couldn't push on time if their life depended on it.
Opps......I guess it looks like it did.

Any SSV pilot wishing to apply at Jazz is welcome to do so.
There is a place for you at the bottom of our list and a nice
right hand seat in one of our very nice Dash-8.

Yes thats right, the airline you once said you were too good for
is now your only hope. Isn't karma a bitch !!!!:D

Hats off to Jazz for diversifying their products/services and moving forward....instead of backwards, something SSV has been doing since being sold to Gibralt. Its a different kettle of fish, this charter operation. Hopefully Jazz greets can meet the demands of a very sensitive operation, where every flight is crucial to both customer satisfaction and tour operator.

are you guys really pilots?
 

I've worked for SSV several times on winter contracts (unlike our Canadian bros. we had to obtain a Canadian Licence to fly over here.) I am staggered by the animosity and rudeness shown towards each other lately. I never met an SSV pilot who boasted to be 'too good' to work for anyone. They were all decent guys with families mortgages etc....just like the rest of us really. It's sad for Canadian aviation that this has happened and I really hope those guys find something soon.

The pilots/ccrew/employees are the victims in these corporate games I'm afraid, and spewing rumour and vitriolic nonesense towards each other on this forum is pitiful to read. I can't believe that some of you guys are pilots...if you are you're a letdown. The upper echelons of Jazz couldn't give a flying toss about their pilots any more than SSV's/TCX's/TOM's do.If they can get you to pay to come to work they will....have no doubts about that!

I'm off back to the UK (if my aircraft haven't been impounded at YYZ as the rumour mill suggests). I'd love to get back to this place next winter and I hope that the pilots that I met, flew with and befriended here in Canada get decent work soon. Good luck guys, and a heartfelt thank you for the opportunity and experience.