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Hi again STC:
I am not condming the whole organisation, if fact if you read all my posts you will find that I have very carefully made it clear that I my complaints are against four TC officials.
In fact I have named them.
At the last all day meeting with the acting RDG it is on record that I am willing to concede that the higher ups in Ottawa have been badly informed by the regional Managers and their position that these people's actions are "quite satisfactory " and " they have their " full support " should change as more facts become availiable to them.
If after all the facts are clearly understood by Ottawa and they still think the manner in which my company was handled in the past several years by the named individuals, then that should make for very gripping information for the public, not to mention the industry.
Chuck
I am not condming the whole organisation, if fact if you read all my posts you will find that I have very carefully made it clear that I my complaints are against four TC officials.
In fact I have named them.
At the last all day meeting with the acting RDG it is on record that I am willing to concede that the higher ups in Ottawa have been badly informed by the regional Managers and their position that these people's actions are "quite satisfactory " and " they have their " full support " should change as more facts become availiable to them.
If after all the facts are clearly understood by Ottawa and they still think the manner in which my company was handled in the past several years by the named individuals, then that should make for very gripping information for the public, not to mention the industry.
Chuck
Joined: Jun 2003
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From: At the airport
STC
You amaze me how you want to turn things around. You kinda remind me of my ex wife the way you do that. Trying to accuse me of degrading another poster is merely you trying to deflect the situation away from you. As for your quotes about short man syndrome, well, where I come from it's a pretty common statement when we are talking about people who try to make themselves bigger than they are.
Keep up the lively discussion boys..
Phil
You amaze me how you want to turn things around. You kinda remind me of my ex wife the way you do that. Trying to accuse me of degrading another poster is merely you trying to deflect the situation away from you. As for your quotes about short man syndrome, well, where I come from it's a pretty common statement when we are talking about people who try to make themselves bigger than they are.
Keep up the lively discussion boys..
Phil
Joined: May 2003
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From: Canada
Okay.
Fair enough Phill. I turned it around, but perhaps you can explain then why your comment applies to me but not to Chuck?
"Phill" me in....
By the way, your "little man" comment seems to be a Vancouver thing...
Fair enough Phill. I turned it around, but perhaps you can explain then why your comment applies to me but not to Chuck?
"Phill" me in....
By the way, your "little man" comment seems to be a Vancouver thing...
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From: canada
STC
I've worked all over this globe, and "little man syndrom" is very common. Before you try to give sugestions or place blame, or come to conclusions you have absolutly no idea about, you should leave your sand box before you try to mingle with people in a worldly forum.
As to the confidential reporting, I know many of my peers that have no faith in the Canadian system, because too often if a problem comes out into the light, there is an inspector that wants to climb the ladder to the next rung, and you will be held acountable. I have a friend who spent a fair bit of cash to defend himself over a case of a crack in a wing fitting on a small piston banger, that he did the annual on. The a/c had been sold to a school, been ground looped twice, and had had three annuals since my buddy did his on the a/c. When the a/c was getting the last repair from the last incident, behind a riveted panel they had found a cracked wing fitting, and this particular TC inspector blamed my buddy for not picking it up on his annual.
It is funny how I found out this story from him, because I was telling him about the trouble I was having with TC at the time. Then he tells me about his, and another guy we were drinking with told me about his problems. So for such a small industry, you don't have to go far to find people who have had a problem with TC. This can only lead me to the conclusion that eventualy the common guy will end up with a problem with TC. So for STC not to have had a problem with TC, leads me to think he has led a very sheltered career. And I don't remember too many people saying that they only had problems with TC when they yell or try to get away with something.
I have very rarely had the same interetation of the CARS or the old ANO's or Regs from 2 different inspectors. So it isn't hard to start a problem by asking for clarification. If you want a problem with TC, just ask for clarification from one inspector, and then get a second opinion from another, and before you know it you will be in the dung.
Oh I kind of take offence to you making fun of other posters names by using a pun. Grow up. You are only showing how stupid you are.
I've worked all over this globe, and "little man syndrom" is very common. Before you try to give sugestions or place blame, or come to conclusions you have absolutly no idea about, you should leave your sand box before you try to mingle with people in a worldly forum.
As to the confidential reporting, I know many of my peers that have no faith in the Canadian system, because too often if a problem comes out into the light, there is an inspector that wants to climb the ladder to the next rung, and you will be held acountable. I have a friend who spent a fair bit of cash to defend himself over a case of a crack in a wing fitting on a small piston banger, that he did the annual on. The a/c had been sold to a school, been ground looped twice, and had had three annuals since my buddy did his on the a/c. When the a/c was getting the last repair from the last incident, behind a riveted panel they had found a cracked wing fitting, and this particular TC inspector blamed my buddy for not picking it up on his annual.
It is funny how I found out this story from him, because I was telling him about the trouble I was having with TC at the time. Then he tells me about his, and another guy we were drinking with told me about his problems. So for such a small industry, you don't have to go far to find people who have had a problem with TC. This can only lead me to the conclusion that eventualy the common guy will end up with a problem with TC. So for STC not to have had a problem with TC, leads me to think he has led a very sheltered career. And I don't remember too many people saying that they only had problems with TC when they yell or try to get away with something.
I have very rarely had the same interetation of the CARS or the old ANO's or Regs from 2 different inspectors. So it isn't hard to start a problem by asking for clarification. If you want a problem with TC, just ask for clarification from one inspector, and then get a second opinion from another, and before you know it you will be in the dung.
Oh I kind of take offence to you making fun of other posters names by using a pun. Grow up. You are only showing how stupid you are.
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From: At the airport
STC
You are the one who said that you had never had a problem with TC. Chuck obviously has, therin lies the difference there. Maybe a re-read of the posts is in order for you.
As for the Vancouver comment, well, could be. I'm sure people from there use it as much as anyone else.
I was just talking with an aquantance and he was relating a story to me that as the Quality Assurance Manager for a mid sized carrier, he'd had to rewrite all his manuals for his PMI because the PMI had decided there would be a new format to the manuals. Well, he just got finished getting them approved and poof, he gets a new PMI and guess what, he had to start rewriting all over again. This is just another of the many examples of how rediculous things are with the new mentality inspectors and CAR's.
Phil
You are the one who said that you had never had a problem with TC. Chuck obviously has, therin lies the difference there. Maybe a re-read of the posts is in order for you.
As for the Vancouver comment, well, could be. I'm sure people from there use it as much as anyone else.
I was just talking with an aquantance and he was relating a story to me that as the Quality Assurance Manager for a mid sized carrier, he'd had to rewrite all his manuals for his PMI because the PMI had decided there would be a new format to the manuals. Well, he just got finished getting them approved and poof, he gets a new PMI and guess what, he had to start rewriting all over again. This is just another of the many examples of how rediculous things are with the new mentality inspectors and CAR's.
Phil
Joined: May 2003
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From: Canada
So for STC not to have had a problem with TC, leads me to think he has led a very sheltered career.
How many times do I have to repeat it? I never said I have never had any problem with TC. I did say that there are channels to use that I have had success with.
Let me point out one of the problems in the industry in dealing with TC you have alluded to rvm. Have you ever heard of "region shopping"? It's what TC types like to call it when you go from person to person in the organisation when you don't like what one person says.
It starts innocently enough. A guy gets caught doing something wrong. For instance, the wrong prop is installed on an airplane or there is an unapproved mod. The AME feels unjustly accused, so he asks a buddy, who tells him that "so and so" in another region got away with that so it MUST be legal. So several inquiries are made in different offices and even different regions, until the guy finds the answer he wants. Unfortunately, often the story changes slightly in order to shift the facts just enough to sway opinion.
For instance, an unapproved mod on a small aircraft may have a corresponding STC out there, but the aircraft owner doesn't have a copy. But he knows that some other guy has the same mod. So after getting crapped on by his PMI, he goes to another region where an inspector assures him that some guy in his direct care has that same mod and it should be okay...unbeknownst to him that the STC uses different hardware, or different components, or some other such change.
So...it's the same mod...but it's not EXACTLY the same.
Anyway...this is an example of how an AME can think there is are differing opinions. I've seen it happen. Region shopping just produces bad blood between you and your PMI. They are only human like you and I and are capable of holding grudges.
Occasionally..(more often than I'd like to see) TC inspectors do in fact have differing opinions. That's because they are just ex-industries AMEs. If you ask 10 AMEs to interpret the CARS you will get 30 different answers. If there is a discrepency, Ottawa should be called upon to sort it out.
Oh I kind of take offence to you making fun of other posters names by using a pun. Grow up. You are only showing how stupid you are.
Really? I thought it was rather clever...
How many times do I have to repeat it? I never said I have never had any problem with TC. I did say that there are channels to use that I have had success with.
Let me point out one of the problems in the industry in dealing with TC you have alluded to rvm. Have you ever heard of "region shopping"? It's what TC types like to call it when you go from person to person in the organisation when you don't like what one person says.
It starts innocently enough. A guy gets caught doing something wrong. For instance, the wrong prop is installed on an airplane or there is an unapproved mod. The AME feels unjustly accused, so he asks a buddy, who tells him that "so and so" in another region got away with that so it MUST be legal. So several inquiries are made in different offices and even different regions, until the guy finds the answer he wants. Unfortunately, often the story changes slightly in order to shift the facts just enough to sway opinion.
For instance, an unapproved mod on a small aircraft may have a corresponding STC out there, but the aircraft owner doesn't have a copy. But he knows that some other guy has the same mod. So after getting crapped on by his PMI, he goes to another region where an inspector assures him that some guy in his direct care has that same mod and it should be okay...unbeknownst to him that the STC uses different hardware, or different components, or some other such change.
So...it's the same mod...but it's not EXACTLY the same.
Anyway...this is an example of how an AME can think there is are differing opinions. I've seen it happen. Region shopping just produces bad blood between you and your PMI. They are only human like you and I and are capable of holding grudges.
Occasionally..(more often than I'd like to see) TC inspectors do in fact have differing opinions. That's because they are just ex-industries AMEs. If you ask 10 AMEs to interpret the CARS you will get 30 different answers. If there is a discrepency, Ottawa should be called upon to sort it out.
Oh I kind of take offence to you making fun of other posters names by using a pun. Grow up. You are only showing how stupid you are.
Really? I thought it was rather clever...
