Headaches from flying as a passanger in a Cessna

[aviran]

Hey everyone,
Just throwing this around to see if anyone else feels like it - I've being flying and instructing out side of Canada, and have never experienced any problems.
Less than a year ago I did a flight in a 172 as a rear passenger and it was the first time I felt headaches and discomforts. Does anyone else here feels like it? I got to say, as a commercial pilot and flight instructor, seeing the pilot not doing a great job handling the plane without the ability to do anything about it, also scared me a bit (so much so I'd had to rate his landing a 2, potentially even a 1, if it was a pre flight test eval)

[fitliker]

Headache ? Was there a carbon monoxide indicator or detector on board ? Exhaust through door seals ? Not usually a problem in front seats that have fresh air ventilation , but might make rear pax unwell if door seal not working or damaged .

[albatross]

He may be right

Originally Posted by fitliker

Headache ? Was there a carbon monoxide indicator or detector on board ? Exhaust through door seals ? Not usually a problem in front seats that have fresh air ventilation , but might make rear pax unwell if door seal not working or damaged .

My first thought also.
I would look into that scenario right away.

[+TSRA]

Less than a year ago I did a flight in a 172 as a rear passenger and it was the first time I felt headaches and discomforts. Does anyone else here feels like it? I got to say, as a commercial pilot and flight instructor, seeing the pilot not doing a great job handling the plane without the ability to do anything about it, also scared me a bit (so much so I'd had to rate his landing a 2, potentially even a 1, if it was a pre flight test eval)

So there are two issues here.

The first is the headaches and discomforts which I agree with the above posts, although my experience with training aircraft is well behind me and so I defer any expert opinion to those with more current experience.

The second is the pilot handling issue you identify. As an instructor or check pilot you have to look at how outside influences affect your grading. Is it possible that the headaches you felt were causing you to grade harder than you normally would? Is it possible that your inability to control the situation led to your harder grading? Is it possible the same root cause that was causing you discomfort was also causing the pilot flying similar discomfort, and that is what led to the poor handling? We're all human, and it's entirely possible that your headaches and discomfort along with your inability to control the situation caused you to evaluate this pilot differently than you might otherwise would have had you not been in pain or had you been in a position to take the controls...or not, maybe this pilot was handling the aircraft poorly, but the way you wrote the two sentences gives me a moment of pause.

[India Four Two]

Tight headset?

As an aside, there was a period long ago when I felt distinctly uncomfortable flying as a passenger in airliners. I realized after a few jumpseat rides, that it was because I couldn't see out the front!

[pulse1]

I spent several years flying a 172 on daytrips with friends in the back seats. No one ever complained of headaches and most of them were keen to come again.

[aviran]

Originally Posted by pulse1

I spent several years flying a 172 on daytrips with friends in the back seats. No one ever complained of headaches and most of them were keen to come again.

None of them was used to front seat/flying the airplane either

[aviran]

Originally Posted by +TSRA

So there are two issues here.

The first is the headaches and discomforts which I agree with the above posts, although my experience with training aircraft is well behind me and so I defer any expert opinion to those with more current experience.

The second is the pilot handling issue you identify. As an instructor or check pilot you have to look at how outside influences affect your grading. Is it possible that the headaches you felt were causing you to grade harder than you normally would? Is it possible that your inability to control the situation led to your harder grading? Is it possible the same root cause that was causing you discomfort was also causing the pilot flying similar discomfort, and that is what led to the poor handling? We're all human, and it's entirely possible that your headaches and discomfort along with your inability to control the situation caused you to evaluate this pilot differently than you might otherwise would have had you not been in pain or had you been in a position to take the controls...or not, maybe this pilot was handling the aircraft poorly, but the way you wrote the two sentences gives me a moment of pause.

Could be the lack of being in control.. For the first time in over a decade, I wasn't in a front seat..
I don't think it was CO poisoning since we had an electric detector on board.

[gerbertbella]

I suspect your headache is likely due to having an empty stomach or sitting in the back seat, you might feel better if you sit in the front passenger seat, where you can see more of the scenery