Dash-8 Q400 Initial Sim Training
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Dash-8 Q400 Initial Sim Training
I am planning to do my Dash-8 Q400 Initial Sim Training at Toronto at my own cost . Is there anyone here who also have same intention. Please PM me. We could share the cost.
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Please, please, please tell us that this is "just something you want to do" and you don't hope that it will get you closer to a job. Otherwise, I would second Can737's sentiments.
When I used to hire pilots, a rating without experience only ever indicated trouble. It either meant the pilot had jerked another company around and was likely to jerk ours around or had paid for their rating hoping it would get noticed. Considering you can never tell the difference between the two situations, such a resume was filed in the bin beside the desk rather than the one on it. If this is what you hope, save your money for the gas and drive to find a job.
If, however, you're doing it just because you want to, then have a blast.
When I used to hire pilots, a rating without experience only ever indicated trouble. It either meant the pilot had jerked another company around and was likely to jerk ours around or had paid for their rating hoping it would get noticed. Considering you can never tell the difference between the two situations, such a resume was filed in the bin beside the desk rather than the one on it. If this is what you hope, save your money for the gas and drive to find a job.
If, however, you're doing it just because you want to, then have a blast.
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If it's to "job hunt", in Canada, you'll crash and burn! Do not do it. Everybody who operates Q400's here trains their own people. You'd be wasting money. If you absolutely MUST go buy a type rating, go with. Boeing type....then bugger off to China for a few years.
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Canada is still a country of opportunities for everyone.
Stay the hell out if you don't want to work.
I met this guy from UK who's parent spent 300000$ in order for him to get a real job on the jet market, if you want to follow the nouveau-riche way to do things, go to Europe.
Stay the hell out if you don't want to work.
I met this guy from UK who's parent spent 300000$ in order for him to get a real job on the jet market, if you want to follow the nouveau-riche way to do things, go to Europe.
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As a current Dash 8 pilot, apart from the moral implications of buying a rating or a job (which is the reason behind most of our woes) I can think of no reason anyone would ever want to buy a Dash 8 TR. No where in the world wants you with just a rating, even PNG wants time on type for DE.
All the reputable operations quite rightly pay you while you do the TR, and wouldn't be interested in a self sponsored guy.
All the reputable operations quite rightly pay you while you do the TR, and wouldn't be interested in a self sponsored guy.
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What are the "moral implications" exactly? reaz probably has more than "just a rating". Quite likely reaz has the appropriate license, and some experience that goes with the license.
What are the "moral implications" of an old tyme piston engine aero engineer self-funding a PT-6 course? Many did, and became gainfully employed.
What are the "moral implications'' of a G.P. doctor, after several years in practice, decides to spend $80K on a specialty degree in medicine? Dang those doctors!..many of them come from "nouveau-riche" or even worse, "old money" families. So what?
On-the-job proficiency counts for almost everything. We all know that.
What are the "moral implications" of an old tyme piston engine aero engineer self-funding a PT-6 course? Many did, and became gainfully employed.
What are the "moral implications'' of a G.P. doctor, after several years in practice, decides to spend $80K on a specialty degree in medicine? Dang those doctors!..many of them come from "nouveau-riche" or even worse, "old money" families. So what?
On-the-job proficiency counts for almost everything. We all know that.
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What are the "moral implications" exactly? reaz probably has more than "just a rating". Quite likely reaz has the appropriate license, and some experience that goes with the license.
What are the "moral implications" of an old tyme piston engine aero engineer self-funding a PT-6 course? Many did, and became gainfully employed.
What are the "moral implications'' of a G.P. doctor, after several years in practice, decides to spend $80K on a specialty degree in medicine? Dang those doctors!..many of them come from "nouveau-riche" or even worse, "old money" families. So what?
On-the-job proficiency counts for almost everything. We all know that.
What are the "moral implications" of an old tyme piston engine aero engineer self-funding a PT-6 course? Many did, and became gainfully employed.
What are the "moral implications'' of a G.P. doctor, after several years in practice, decides to spend $80K on a specialty degree in medicine? Dang those doctors!..many of them come from "nouveau-riche" or even worse, "old money" families. So what?
On-the-job proficiency counts for almost everything. We all know that.
What is wrong with you people? The European have lost it. Completely.
Normal pilots at the age of 25 don't have an extra 30,000$ to bet for some job.
This is what you call opportunities for everyone?
What's next? A380 type rating?
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Evansb,
Apples and oranges my friend. A GP obtaining a specialty degree would be akin to a CPL holder obtaining an ATPL, not a type rating. There is no comparison for a GP as they're typically self-employed or part of a practice. A better analogy would be a specialist or surgeon who has to pay for training on a new piece of equipment the hospital just bought and all incoming doctors have to pay for that training before being hired.
The implications are that such "course buying" means that we will all have to do it in due course, just as they Europeans have to. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to increase their skill set. However, buying a type rating is not the way to do it as it brings us all down. A surgeon would feel the same way if he or she had to fork out $30k to learn how to read a new chart...that's something that comes with employment, just as a type rating does for us.
Apples and oranges my friend. A GP obtaining a specialty degree would be akin to a CPL holder obtaining an ATPL, not a type rating. There is no comparison for a GP as they're typically self-employed or part of a practice. A better analogy would be a specialist or surgeon who has to pay for training on a new piece of equipment the hospital just bought and all incoming doctors have to pay for that training before being hired.
The implications are that such "course buying" means that we will all have to do it in due course, just as they Europeans have to. There is nothing wrong with someone trying to increase their skill set. However, buying a type rating is not the way to do it as it brings us all down. A surgeon would feel the same way if he or she had to fork out $30k to learn how to read a new chart...that's something that comes with employment, just as a type rating does for us.
