Foriegn Pilots

[clunckdriver]

Rex Murphy on CBC today, subject; FOREIGN WORKERS! OK, here is you chance folks, you can read all the posts on Av Canada along with the regulations being ignored by Lisa Rait, so now is the time to put up or shut up, the phone calls are free so even a Porter/ Sky Regional pilot can afford to make a call!

[Wolfdog]

Seems the government is willing to take a hard line against MacDonalds for hiring foreign workers, why not our industry?

[clunckdriver]

Wolfdog, the only thing the government did was to back down after the CBC[You know, the Crown Corporation they are trying to kill} exposed what is going on in this once great nation, now given this chance {again courtesy of the CBC} to inform the public its up to the pilot population to get on the phones and let Jo Public know what is really going on, if the pilots behave as they normally do, that is do nothing, then they will have only themselves to blame as they collect their UI!

[clunckdriver]

Well, along with many other pilots I wasted two hours but did not get a chance to speak, the replacement for Mr. Murphy seemed to be hung up on the use of unskilled workers, {she is a very poor interview host} ignoring the use of anyone having a skill. Ah well, back to writing to MPs and others.

[AFIRS]

Very frustrating.

Trying to keep the ball rolling on this topic, I've been calling and have sent numerous emails. Thinking programs like cbc - go public and radio talk shows like CFRB 1010 (including many more) would be all over this, I've had zero response.

I briefly explain the differences-

Canadian 6 month contract first officers,

1st year salary 52,000
First two months salary is based on 40,000
Signs 30,000 training bond
Pays for crash pad near new base
Takes city transat/ taxi to and from work-
Pilot Pays taxes
Pilot Pays ALPA union dues

Now the 6 month temporary foreign worker-

Salary is 75,000 tax free
No training bond
No reduced salary
Company pays for travel to and from Europe
Company provides time off and airfare for visit home at three months
Company pays their ALPA union dues
Company pays for premium condo downtown Toronto with maid service
Company pays for car rental
Company pays for parking at the airport and condo


I've also attached the applications from a specific Canadian airline that has falsified information for the past two years.


Lately, Kenny has stated numerous times that any company falsifying information on their applications will be help accountable with criminal prosecution because it's fraud under the immigration act of Canada.

Nice job government of Canada, ALPA and CAW...

[Apache702]

I m Canadian, flown for 17 years in Canada, sea planes, ski planes, twin piston, twin turbine, military, waterbomber, wide body jets, medium jets, I ve been working abroad for almost 10 years now, so total of 27 years, and im trying to come back to Canada, I ve applied to all those mentioned cie, I guess im too qualified now I ve applied to many other small airlines also, private etc... not even one answer, 12,200 hrs, 6500hrs in the left seat, no incident no accident, im flying an A-320 as Capt, but would be ready to come back to Canada for whatever they have to offer.
I guess i should have been born in Europe or something...

[RT787]

Originally Posted by Apache702

I m Canadian, flown for 17 years in Canada, sea planes, ski planes, twin piston, twin turbine, military, waterbomber, wide body jets, medium jets, I ve been working abroad for almost 10 years now, so total of 27 years, and im trying to come back to Canada, I ve applied to all those mentioned cie, I guess im too qualified now I ve applied to many other small airlines also, private etc... not even one answer, 12,200 hrs, 6500hrs in the left seat, no incident no accident, im flying an A-320 as Capt, but would be ready to come back to Canada for whatever they have to offer.
I guess i should have been born in Europe or something...

That scares me slightly about the future... Not one phone call at over 12,000 hours?

[AFIRS]

I have copies of their last few Accelerated Labour Market Opinion applications.

Question- Does this require any federal or provincial licensing?
Answer- No

Question- is this position part of a union?
Answer- No

Plenty more......

If I figure out my drop box I'll leave a link for them.

Why is no one interested in this is beyond me....

[EYZ]

Just a question.

whats the difference between Apache working overseas for 10 years whilst gaining his hours, and someone from overseas coming to Canada?

Don't we work in a market that allows you to migrate, maybe you want a career change etc? I just think if its good for Canadians to work overseas why not the other way around?

[fijdor]

You are right, we are in a market that allow you to migrate and the reason they do is because there IS a demand overseas for pilots and not only for Canadians, there is NO demand in Canada, simple as that. There was at one point a demand here according to some people but not anymore.

JD

[Idle Thrust]

Well, along with many other pilots I wasted two hours but did not get a chance to speak, the replacement for Mr. Murphy seemed to be hung up on the use of unskilled workers, {she is a very poor interview host} ignoring the use of anyone having a skill.

Good on you Clunk, I listened to the entire program waiting (hoping?) that someone would bring in the pilot issue. Not sure it was the host's doing, more likely the producer who screens all the calls and obviously wanted the program to go in a specific direction. Got rather boring with all the repetition.

Nice to see that someone at least tried.

[Neville Nobody]

What about the likes of work in agriculture/fires? A very short restricted season. There are a lot of Canadian pilots that go to Australia for work and Australian pilots that go to Canada, the gist of the thread is that it's OK for Canadian pilots to work elsewhere but you don't want any reciprocal agreement?

[B-U-S-S]

AFIRS, don't forget the Sunwings pilots who come to Europe and fly during the summer time and take up jobs from Europeans. Works both ways.

[clunckdriver]

B-U-S-S, as far as I can tell about four times as many foreign pilots come to Canada as do Canadians going the other direction, that's the rub. As a result of this Canadian pilots are not getting trained, also the foreign pilots are paid/treated/looked after far better than the Canadian pilots, all we want is a LEVEL playing field!

[fijdor]

Have a look at this Nevile Nobody.

JD


Helicopter pilots say they're shut out of jobs by temporary foreign workers

[dashman20]

When it comes to overseas working,all of us fortunate enough to be in full time flying work are lucky.
Occasionally that may mean working overseas,as a matter of choice or contract.
To be honest,at airline level it doesn't really stop folks starting in the 'lower echolons'of the trade directly(IMPH).
It may prevent rated people finding jobs,but unfortunately these contacts are driven by managers at company/gov level and are supposedly for the greater good of both company and country!
I've been involved in this at pilot level for the last 5 years or so and seen it from both sides of the Atlantic and beyond-it's the way of the future as far as business is concerned,and the weak economies around the world will just roll with it for the time being as it's too complex to start a fight over!
Personally I've gained a lot,learned a lot and I think it's reciprocal in that regard.Ask if it's right morally and I'll give you another answer.
If you want it changed become a manager......then it won't affect you anyway!