PIC/SPIC what a mess
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PICUS and SPIC is different.
SPIC is student pilot in command, PICUS is pilot in command under supervision.
And when you are SPIC you sign the Journey logbook.
JD
SPIC is student pilot in command, PICUS is pilot in command under supervision.
And when you are SPIC you sign the Journey logbook.
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If the instructor logs it as PIC its dual end of story. With everyone else in the world apart from Europe.
So much so you may find that you can't transfer licenses because you won't have the require PIC time for CPL issue.
the PICUS thing is only really of any use for if the pilot had gone straight from School with min CPL PIC time to multicrew aircraft. It would be impossible for them to upgrade to ATPL due lack of PIC time. So they invented PICUS time to allow ATPL issue.
Personally I haven't logged a single hour of it because I already had 900 hours of PIC time from instructing.
Away from ATPL issue it means absolutely nothing. Insurance requirements ignore it. Employers ignore it. And everywhere outside Europe ignores it as well for license conversions. The Brit way of logging it isn't normal most European countries require you to be in a command upgrade scheme and the PICUS to be in the training manual and also training records kept.
The Brit way of logging every PF sector as PICUS and just getting a letter from the CP saying all hours are correct won't work with anyone but the British CAA.
So much so you may find that you can't transfer licenses because you won't have the require PIC time for CPL issue.
the PICUS thing is only really of any use for if the pilot had gone straight from School with min CPL PIC time to multicrew aircraft. It would be impossible for them to upgrade to ATPL due lack of PIC time. So they invented PICUS time to allow ATPL issue.
Personally I haven't logged a single hour of it because I already had 900 hours of PIC time from instructing.
Away from ATPL issue it means absolutely nothing. Insurance requirements ignore it. Employers ignore it. And everywhere outside Europe ignores it as well for license conversions. The Brit way of logging it isn't normal most European countries require you to be in a command upgrade scheme and the PICUS to be in the training manual and also training records kept.
The Brit way of logging every PF sector as PICUS and just getting a letter from the CP saying all hours are correct won't work with anyone but the British CAA.
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Here's some info copied directly from Transport Canada that may help make some of the terms that we use up here more clear, and how they may translate from non Canadian systems.
PIC
The person assigned as "in-command" of an aircraft during flight.
PICUS - The operator must be approved by TC for you to be able to log this, and there are restrictions.
Another way to credit co-pilot time is Pilot-in-command Under Supervision (PIC U/S). This program can be instituted by large and small air carriers, allowing co-pilots to credit up to 200 hours co-pilot time as 100 hours PIC U/S. This means that 50% of up to 200 hours co-pilot time can be credited as PIC experience if approved and if completed within 12 months of the application date. You can apply 50 hours PIC U/S cross country night to meet the 25 hour night PIC cross-country requirement.
SIC/Co-Pilot - Your log book may have either term.
The flight crew member occupying the [right (aeroplanes) or left (rotorcraft)] pilot seat regardless of who is the Captain or who is in control of the aircraft [or insert the company or AFM definition].
Dual - Student PIC time, you are with an instructor or doing a recurrent training flight for recency, PPC or PCC renewal training.
"dual instruction flight time" means the flight time during which a person is receiving flight instruction from a person qualified in accordance with section 425.21 of the Personnel Licensing and Training Standards respecting Flight Training; (temps d’instruction de vol en double commande)
Solo - not all logbooks have this, by regs it is counted as PIC.
"solo flight time" means, with respect to the flight time necessary to acquire a permit, licence or rating,
(amended 2003/06/01; no previous version)
(a) in the case of a pilot, the flight time during which the pilot is the sole flight crew member, and
(b) in the case of a student pilot permit holder, the flight time during which the holder is the sole occupant of an aircraft while under the direction and supervision of the holder of an instructor rating for the appropriate category of aircraft; (temps de vol en solo)
Training Flights
"training flight" - means a dual instruction flight or a solo practice flight that is conducted under the direction and supervision of a flight instructor;
Cross Country
When getting a license signed off that requires a certain amount of cross country time, Transport will want to see routes done. It doesn't have to be specific minimum distances, and you don't have to land anywhere besides your originating and terminating airport. You do have to put airports/fixes/places you navigated to.
PIC
The person assigned as "in-command" of an aircraft during flight.
PICUS - The operator must be approved by TC for you to be able to log this, and there are restrictions.
Another way to credit co-pilot time is Pilot-in-command Under Supervision (PIC U/S). This program can be instituted by large and small air carriers, allowing co-pilots to credit up to 200 hours co-pilot time as 100 hours PIC U/S. This means that 50% of up to 200 hours co-pilot time can be credited as PIC experience if approved and if completed within 12 months of the application date. You can apply 50 hours PIC U/S cross country night to meet the 25 hour night PIC cross-country requirement.
SIC/Co-Pilot - Your log book may have either term.
The flight crew member occupying the [right (aeroplanes) or left (rotorcraft)] pilot seat regardless of who is the Captain or who is in control of the aircraft [or insert the company or AFM definition].
Dual - Student PIC time, you are with an instructor or doing a recurrent training flight for recency, PPC or PCC renewal training.
"dual instruction flight time" means the flight time during which a person is receiving flight instruction from a person qualified in accordance with section 425.21 of the Personnel Licensing and Training Standards respecting Flight Training; (temps d’instruction de vol en double commande)
Solo - not all logbooks have this, by regs it is counted as PIC.
"solo flight time" means, with respect to the flight time necessary to acquire a permit, licence or rating,
(amended 2003/06/01; no previous version)
(a) in the case of a pilot, the flight time during which the pilot is the sole flight crew member, and
(b) in the case of a student pilot permit holder, the flight time during which the holder is the sole occupant of an aircraft while under the direction and supervision of the holder of an instructor rating for the appropriate category of aircraft; (temps de vol en solo)
Training Flights
"training flight" - means a dual instruction flight or a solo practice flight that is conducted under the direction and supervision of a flight instructor;
Cross Country
When getting a license signed off that requires a certain amount of cross country time, Transport will want to see routes done. It doesn't have to be specific minimum distances, and you don't have to land anywhere besides your originating and terminating airport. You do have to put airports/fixes/places you navigated to.
Last edited by Koalemos; 30th Mar 2013 at 16:37.
