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Or do what they do at present.. and cherry pick good medical staff from overseas... that way they dont pay for any training 
In exchange they get someone with time on type if you will
In exchange they get someone with time on type if you will
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"Why pay to train someone... When you can get a guy who is typed with time on type... Who is sat at home?"
Good question.
Because, for one, most of us over here would like to see an end to the pay-as-you-play Ryanair bull**it that some individuals with the funds are taking advantage of (through no fault of their own) by buying the type rating and funding their employment. Second only to those who offer to fly for free I might add. That nonsense has and is infecting the whole industry at a great rate. You'd think pilots would have more self respect and a greater desire to restore some professionalism to the occupation. If these marginal carriers, who call themselves airlines, can't make a business plan work that includes a sensible training budget proportional to their operation and ambition, then let them fold up.
That void will, does and always has been filled in the past.
One of the more successful airlines in Canada at the moment happens to be Westjet. They don't seem to be having trouble recruiting 'qualified' Canadian pilots and don't seem to rely on contracting out to overseas agencies and pilots with type ratings and time on type.
The same applies to Sunwing and Canjet who would be in the same boat if they only had the will to hire qualified Canadian pilots in a similar fashion instead of relying on the horse**it story they've shoveled on the Canadian government to get away with this practice.
If these carriers don't wake up and right a wrong it is likely that a majority of Canadian pilots will boycott these two carriers right about the time the Canadian government wakes up and issues a cease and disist order.
We also live in a country (serfdom) that happens to have the B737 broken into 3 type ratings, B73A, B73B and B73C. The yanks have a B737 type for all versions. As it should be.
But, we each have our opinions and I'm sure we agree on far more than we disagree.
Cheers,
Willie
"Why pay to train someone... When you can get a guy who is typed with time on type... Who is sat at home?"
Good question.
Because, for one, most of us over here would like to see an end to the pay-as-you-play Ryanair bull**it that some individuals with the funds are taking advantage of (through no fault of their own) by buying the type rating and funding their employment. Second only to those who offer to fly for free I might add. That nonsense has and is infecting the whole industry at a great rate. You'd think pilots would have more self respect and a greater desire to restore some professionalism to the occupation. If these marginal carriers, who call themselves airlines, can't make a business plan work that includes a sensible training budget proportional to their operation and ambition, then let them fold up.
That void will, does and always has been filled in the past.
One of the more successful airlines in Canada at the moment happens to be Westjet. They don't seem to be having trouble recruiting 'qualified' Canadian pilots and don't seem to rely on contracting out to overseas agencies and pilots with type ratings and time on type.
The same applies to Sunwing and Canjet who would be in the same boat if they only had the will to hire qualified Canadian pilots in a similar fashion instead of relying on the horse**it story they've shoveled on the Canadian government to get away with this practice.
If these carriers don't wake up and right a wrong it is likely that a majority of Canadian pilots will boycott these two carriers right about the time the Canadian government wakes up and issues a cease and disist order.
We also live in a country (serfdom) that happens to have the B737 broken into 3 type ratings, B73A, B73B and B73C. The yanks have a B737 type for all versions. As it should be.
But, we each have our opinions and I'm sure we agree on far more than we disagree.
Cheers,
Willie
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Not trying to sidetrack the topic.
But when faced with the options of chucking bags on the ramp in -30. Or borrowing money to pay for a rating... I can see why the latter is an attractive option for new pilots.
But when faced with the options of chucking bags on the ramp in -30. Or borrowing money to pay for a rating... I can see why the latter is an attractive option for new pilots.
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First and foremost, we have to get rid of the term "qualified" in this discussion, and adopt what European pilots associations all over are using instead; that is "qualifiable"...
A qualified pilot will have what is required by a prospective employer, i-e a type rating in hand...
A qualifiable pilot will have what it takes for said employer to qualify the pilot on the type operated, at employer's expense as should be.
My $0.02...
A qualified pilot will have what is required by a prospective employer, i-e a type rating in hand...
A qualifiable pilot will have what it takes for said employer to qualify the pilot on the type operated, at employer's expense as should be.
My $0.02...
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I wonder where P2F comes into it here. The primary complaint was about foreign pilots working during winter in Canada, mainly German ones apparently. Well, those are certainly not P2F pilots as those German carriers that take part in that program do not offer P2F in the first place. Pilots are hired based on entry selection and given the type rating against a 12 month deprecating bond. Or they are airline cadets trained from the get-go for their airlines in a program where the airline carries a substantial part of the cost. Unlike in Canada those pilots get their first jet job usually with either 80 (i believe non of the MPL guys went to canada yet) or 250 hours and their experience is mainly on type, in general between 4000 and 25000 hours.
By the way, in which way is the 737 rating broken into parts over there? Here in Europe it is two parts, -100/-200 and the rest rolled into one.
By the way, in which way is the 737 rating broken into parts over there? Here in Europe it is two parts, -100/-200 and the rest rolled into one.
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Denti just confused me.
And to step back a few posts, but back when I was a prospective westjet guy, the deal was that if you were hired you were not provided with any training pay or any accomodation if you were selected, while all other airlines gave both. Plus it was mandatory that you had to fly yourself out to calgary to "do the tour" of the hangar and shake hands with the recruitment guy, escorted by your sponsor.
While that's not pay to fly, it was pretty degrading compared to what the others were doing. Yet guys lined up for it. It may have changed now, but I don't know. Feel free to shed light if you are in the know.
Plus, if you were lucky enough to be hired, you were "expected" to put 20% of your measly starting salary into compay stocks, lest you be ostracized.
Yes, we have our sad stories in canada too, let's not even talk about jetsgo.
And to step back a few posts, but back when I was a prospective westjet guy, the deal was that if you were hired you were not provided with any training pay or any accomodation if you were selected, while all other airlines gave both. Plus it was mandatory that you had to fly yourself out to calgary to "do the tour" of the hangar and shake hands with the recruitment guy, escorted by your sponsor.
While that's not pay to fly, it was pretty degrading compared to what the others were doing. Yet guys lined up for it. It may have changed now, but I don't know. Feel free to shed light if you are in the know.
Plus, if you were lucky enough to be hired, you were "expected" to put 20% of your measly starting salary into compay stocks, lest you be ostracized.
Yes, we have our sad stories in canada too, let's not even talk about jetsgo.
