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Old 30th May 2010, 10:50
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Air Transat Hiring Again!

Air Transat just sign 4 new A-330-200, 2 of them are A-330 NewGeneration from AeoroMexico...good news for this small market. Challenging time ahead for the training departement, AT plan to put them on service in the next 8 months!
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Old 30th May 2010, 14:33
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Hope they lockwire the crossfeeds closed!
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Old 30th May 2010, 14:40
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AeoroMexico(sic)
Mexicana. Leased from Citigroup. Nos. 966 and 971, 4Q 2008 vintage.
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Is this a fleet replacement of some of their A310's?
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wow, lets all line up for another 40000 a year job flying heavy metal around the world with minimum job security and on max duty time....seriously how can anyone but single 28 year olds with no kids and a hard on for big jets get excited about these kinds of "opportunities"..
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Old 2nd Jun 2010, 14:07
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Hey 67Driver
Give your head a shake, FO's here start at 70 and top end at 115.

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Old 2nd Jun 2010, 15:00
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No Canuck its your head needs a shake, TTC bus driver,{the kind without wings} starting pay $70,000, plus benifits, unionised, total security, has to learn two things, which pedal to go, which one to stop, my pension is more than Transat pilots make for Petes sake! Lets hope the Jazz pilots can turn things around for the rest of the industry, what other country does a pilot with years of experience ride a bus to work driven by a driver who makes more money?As long as folks like Canuck think that these pay scales are OK the likes of Transat/Porter/Jazz and God knows how many others will continue to pay peanuts!Seems when an outfit does pay and charge a market rate the bottom feeders go after the routes and drag the whole industry down to their level{AKA Air Canada/Westjet cut pricing to put First Air in the poor house}Have a look at the Southwest buisiness model, no head shakes required!
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Air Canada'zzzzzz entry salary of 37.5 is much better mate! What a joke! And that's why a city bus driver makes 70K clunkdriver, because they stand together.
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Nuak,I dont need to have that explained to me, its the present generation of pilots who dont seem to grasp this simple point, united you stand, divided you fall,one only has to look at the seniority fights during mergers to see this, and by the way, I just recieved another e mail from a kid "willing to fly for free," no you wont son, but you are on my "no fly" list now. All we need in Canada now is a few P2Fly idiots to come over from the EU/UK to really put the piloting right up there with McDonalds and Wallmart!
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I won't fly for any canadian operator because they won't pay me what I'm worth. I can't imagine any of them would pay me what I THINK I'm worth. If they did, that might make me to change my mind. I'm certainly not convinced it matters to anyone or that I'm screwing myself but it would sure be nice if a few more out there would turn their backs on these silly outfits.
As far as I'm concerned, your assessment of what goes on in this industry in canada is spot on and driving a bus is so much easier and for a lot more money to boot.

When these outfits start whining to the Feds because they can't get experienced crews and need to hire foreigners, maybe then canadian pilots who are experienced will nip it in the bud.

No. That's not going to happen either.
What a joke. What an absolute joke.

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Old 2nd Jun 2010, 22:06
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Willie, as I rumble along at 200kts in my little twin {421B} I am comforted by the knowledge that I make more in a day than most RJ pilots make in a week, for this I will put up with having to dodge the odd CU and wash my own aircraft, oh, I forgot to mention the company credit card and the use of the aircraft{free} when my wife and I want to go somewhere, but we dont get to wear one of those fancy uniforms with all them thar gold bars! Ah well, to each his own!
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Why are poeple turning a good news into a 'pipi' contest??
Check the payscale publish http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a.../canadian.html
One of the best salary for newhire flying.
And no i do not work there and do not expect to work there again.
But i can tell you i really enjoy the time i did spend there.
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Starting salary at Air Transat is much better than at Air Canada about 70000$ 1st year FO (about 92000$ 5th year FO)+ perdiems, profit sharing, bonus for night flying etc. It is not surprising that salary is so high because people start on heavy airplane right away and Transat hires people with a lots of experience 5000 hrs + for the most part. Also if they didn't pay well a lot of pilots with A330 type rating in their pocket would leave Transat for well paying jobs in Asia or for Air Canada. It is a win win situation for everybody, pilots make good money and company have good pilots that stay there for life (senior PIC-s makes up to 180000$ + perdiems etc...) They work hard for their company but they are well paid. Everybody is happy and it is a career company so almost nobody leaves for Air Canada or elsewhere. And by the way Flexable the salaries from airlinepilotcentral.com are outdated. They are 3 years old and are better now. Everybody I know there likes their job…
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Let's see now......

Clunkdriver, age 71.

Born 1939

Trained and flew the clunk circa 1950-1960, at public expense. And gets a pension, at public expense.

Trained, flew, and paid by TCA, morphed to BigRed, crown corporation for the longest time, retires circa 1999. And gets a pension, primarily at public expense.

And clunkdriver says that we overtaxed citizens should choose not to work for less than public service benefits........

Can someone tell me what is wrong with this picture? And how did he get a 421 job that pays 1500 dollars per day?

Bye bye
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Your picture JV is to a degree correct, with the following corections{1} Actually, no military pension, not a thing in those days, and not only flew the CF100 but some totally clapped out junk in a grubby little "incident"which if the UN hadnt turned up wearing their blue "dont shoot" hats would have resulted in a large part of the world being run by elected governments, not tribal dictators, not much to do with pilot pay but its nice to keep the record straight.{2} Born 1938. How does one finish up flying a little aircraft for a decent return? Its easy, use ones house for security, go into debt and then work six days a week from 0530 till about 2130 every day for almost ever, sell the operation for less than the value {not complaining, thats aviation and the times we live in} Use the aircraft to train DESERVING kids {and pay them} to give them a leg up in the industry and exposure to the real world of flying as opposed to the make belive world of most FTUs. And by the way, one also has to work as a deck hand half way around the world to even start ones dream, this option is in many cases now blocked by imigration laws, so for this I gues I was lucky to be born when I was, also wasnt made into a bar of soap by the "master race!' so luck does play a small part. None of the foregoing changes the fact that experienced pilot saleries in North America are a bloody joke, wont even get into the American comuter pay scales ,I say again, its absurd that a bus driver starts at higher pay than many experienced pilots will ever make ,now with AC pilots going to age 65 it will further slow up promotion for the younger set{not taking sides on this, just pointing this out} rather than toss rocks at someone like myself your time would be better spent trying to improve the lot of the new generation of pilots who are starting out often loaded with debt and havnt a hope of getting out from under. As an end note, to finish up where I am at this time I lived in six countries to stay in a job,moved on a few days notice, but never broke a contract ,never paid a training bond, would I do it again? your damn rights I would! Good luck with your future plans! PS, part of the secret of making a decent return in private/corporate is to know how to manage it all, from the maint to the fuel buying to customs to washing the thing, the customer should not have to bother with this stuff, too many only think of flying, thats about 30% of the job.PPS, Just re read your post JV, I repeat, No military pension, AC pension paid entirley by myself, including overpayment to make up for joining a bit over the average age, no public money whatsoever, and as the yougest of ten kids in postwar Europe there sure as hell wasnt any money to pay for flying lessons, indeed , hardly enough for food ! Tho only route was the military, So the cheap shots about "tax payers expense", are just that, a cheap shot! There was also a price to pay, of the fourteen aircrew on a course I was on, eleven died on active service, a higher loss rate than our superb troops are taking in Afganistan,{ Old RCAF joke, what should a CF100 crew say on VHF to the Russian bomber on intercept? "Halt, or I blow up"} as you chose to give none of your background its hard for me to comment on your situation ,for all readers can tell you might be another "flight sim ace" or the chief pilot at Transat, if you must post how about letting us know on your profile what you qualifications are? Regards Clunck.

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Can someone tell me what is wrong with this picture? And how did he get a 421 job that pays 1500 dollars per day?

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Let me help you out JV by pointing out something you seem to be missing in your understanding of the aviation industry.

The money you can demand and get is in direct relationship to the skills you have to offer.

There are tens of thousands of airplane drivers around the world, most of them are cookie cutter qualified drivers who get paid as little as the companies can hire them for.

There are some who are able to offer a far higher level of skills and ability to do difficult tasks and they are able to ask for and get paid a much higher rate than the cookie cutter skills limited pilots.

Fifteen hundred dollars a day is good pay but if you have the skills that a given employer needs making double that is not only easy but you would be a fool to work for less.

I hope that answers your question so Clunkdriver does not have to bother responding?
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These discussions always seem to turn into a dick swinging contest, and it's that attitude that indirectly results in the inadequate pay we all get.
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These discussions always seem to turn into a dick swinging contest, and it's that attitude that indirectly results in the inadequate pay we all get
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Dick swinging contest??

You have a problem with those of us who will not work for poor pay?
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Engine fire left, not "all" of us, but looking at pay scales across Canada you seem to be correct in about 90% of the positions out there, will it ever change? Damned if I know.

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You have a problem with those of us who will not work for poor pay?
Not at all. I applaud it and think we should all insist on it. What I have a problem with is pilots denegrating other pilots for percieved lack of skill simply because they fly a different airplane or use their airplane in a different role.

It gives operators ammunition to justify lower pay.
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