why Canadian licence?
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why Canadian licence?
Hi, guys
I just got a question.
You guys know it is much cheaper (and much well-recognized around the world) to get licences in the states,
but why are you guys trying to get Canadian licence?
People get thier Canadian licence, because they have the rights to work in Canada afterwards, but isn't it easy for a Canadian to get a job in the states as an instructor?
What do you guys say?
PS: I got limited knowledge in aviation and what I have mentioned above might have errors. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I just got a question.
You guys know it is much cheaper (and much well-recognized around the world) to get licences in the states,
but why are you guys trying to get Canadian licence?
People get thier Canadian licence, because they have the rights to work in Canada afterwards, but isn't it easy for a Canadian to get a job in the states as an instructor?
What do you guys say?
PS: I got limited knowledge in aviation and what I have mentioned above might have errors. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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For what i know redhawkdown Canadian ATPL is ICAO The us one is FAA
you said and much well-recognized around the world
Look on the job oversee 90% they ask for JAR or ICAO atpl www.flightglobal.com..
Hope it answer part of your question.
you said and much well-recognized around the world
Look on the job oversee 90% they ask for JAR or ICAO atpl www.flightglobal.com..
Hope it answer part of your question.
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FAA is ICAO
Canadian ATPL is ICAO - indeed -
And so is the US-FAA ATP certificate... ICAO as well...
Could we get correct info posted in Pprune, please...?
xxx
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And so is the US-FAA ATP certificate... ICAO as well...
Could we get correct info posted in Pprune, please...?
xxx
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There is a bilateral agreement between the FAA and TC so it is really easy to convert licenses. Look for more information on the FAA website or TC website. Basically it involves getting the medical and taking a written test on airlaw. No more checkrides required. That goes for all levels of licenses. I hope this helps.
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Flight Crew Licensing - Conversion Agreement between U.S. and Canada
Info right there. Medical needed remember.
Info right there. Medical needed remember.
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belargusa. Realy? FAA is ICAO???
Can you explain that then
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Look at the licence need
Can you explain that then
CL604/605 Captains and First Officers - Middle East - 200125516 - Flight Jobs
Look at the licence need
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Tintin,
Try using the ICAO member states list as a reference....
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
Try using the ICAO member states list as a reference....
International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)
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ICAO Licences
Hola Tintin...
xxx
I looked at the "licence need" as you said...
It says "JAA/FAA ATPL preferred - ICAO accepted"
Agree with you, quite confusing, makes people believe JAA/FAA is not ICAO.
The people who dont know, are in fact, the people who publish that text...
xxx
It means they prefer JAA and FAA... JAA and FAA are both ICAO
They say they accept any other ICAO ATPL.
They would save their time (and printing costs) by just saying "ICAO ATPL"
xxx
Many people think FAA pilot licence is not ICAO...
Same thing... JAA is not ICAO...
Many, if not, the majority of UN countries are member of ICAO.
The licences they issue are ICAO as well.
xxx
Obviously, JAA and FAA licences are the most common, worldwide.
Yet, many other nations issue reputable (ICAO) licences...
Among them, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, South Africa etc.
xxx
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xxx
I looked at the "licence need" as you said...
It says "JAA/FAA ATPL preferred - ICAO accepted"
Agree with you, quite confusing, makes people believe JAA/FAA is not ICAO.
The people who dont know, are in fact, the people who publish that text...
xxx
It means they prefer JAA and FAA... JAA and FAA are both ICAO
They say they accept any other ICAO ATPL.
They would save their time (and printing costs) by just saying "ICAO ATPL"
xxx
Many people think FAA pilot licence is not ICAO...
Same thing... JAA is not ICAO...
Many, if not, the majority of UN countries are member of ICAO.
The licences they issue are ICAO as well.
xxx
Obviously, JAA and FAA licences are the most common, worldwide.
Yet, many other nations issue reputable (ICAO) licences...
Among them, Canada, Australia, NZ, Japan, South Africa etc.
xxx
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I have never heard about a non-ICAO ATPL. Does it exist?
I don' t think so.
US ATPL is issued by FAA.
Canadian ATPL is issued by Transport Canada.
European ATPL is issued by JAA.
Chinese ATPL is issued by the CAAC.
All are ICAO.
Let' s imagine that a non-ICAO ATPL does exist, would the holder be able to fly international?
I don' t think so.
US ATPL is issued by FAA.
Canadian ATPL is issued by Transport Canada.
European ATPL is issued by JAA.
Chinese ATPL is issued by the CAAC.
All are ICAO.
Let' s imagine that a non-ICAO ATPL does exist, would the holder be able to fly international?
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FAA license is NOT ICAO
BelArgUSA you are wrong. The FAA license is NOT an ICAO licence. This is because of deviations from the ICAO standard. That's why advertisments often specify an ICAO license because validations from an ICAO state CAA can only be given to holders of another ICAO state license. The Canadian license IS an ICAO license.
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Hang on.
Let's not assume the 'employer' knows what he/she is talking about when they make reference their preferred licences in an advert.
I've found in most cases (not all) they're aiming for the most 'common' amongst licences and therefore the largest pilot pool with those licences(which happens to be Europe and the United States). Also, some of these Ops people (non-specific reference) conjuring up these ads don't know their behind from a hole in the ground.
If your home country is a signatory to ICAO, then you hold an ICAO licence.
I'm not fussy on the standards for our CDN licences. I think it could/should be higher but I'll tell you this much, the ICAO standard needs to at least come up to CDN standards.
Willie
Let's not assume the 'employer' knows what he/she is talking about when they make reference their preferred licences in an advert.
I've found in most cases (not all) they're aiming for the most 'common' amongst licences and therefore the largest pilot pool with those licences(which happens to be Europe and the United States). Also, some of these Ops people (non-specific reference) conjuring up these ads don't know their behind from a hole in the ground.
If your home country is a signatory to ICAO, then you hold an ICAO licence.
I'm not fussy on the standards for our CDN licences. I think it could/should be higher but I'll tell you this much, the ICAO standard needs to at least come up to CDN standards.
Willie
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I don't think that Taiwan is ICAO.
But back to your first post. Sure you can go and get an FAA license but you will still need to have a green card or US citizenship to work in the US as a flight instruct or fly one of those "N" tail business jets you see flying around in Canada. ... As per the NAFTA agreement, pilots don't fall under the professional occupation list, like doctors or accountants, so we are out of luck.
But back to your first post. Sure you can go and get an FAA license but you will still need to have a green card or US citizenship to work in the US as a flight instruct or fly one of those "N" tail business jets you see flying around in Canada. ... As per the NAFTA agreement, pilots don't fall under the professional occupation list, like doctors or accountants, so we are out of luck.
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I say again - FAA is ICAO
Investdude - you are wrong (with equal respect due)
xxx
Any pilot licences issued by countries member of ICAO, are ICAO licences, or compliant with ICAO standards.
I believe that the US is a member of ICAO, if not, strike United States from the list of ICAO member nations.
xxx
The USA, like any other nations, at times, issue licences which do not meet ICAO standards.
In that case, the limitation is indicated under "Title XIII" of their licence (or certificate).
Example -
FAR 61.159(2)(d) "Holder does not meet the pilot in command requirements of ICAO"...
xxx
I hold a FAA ATP certificate with various type ratings.
There are no "limitations" listed under Title XIII of my certificate.
So my licence is fully compliant with ICAO.
With my limited knowledge of English - I then understand that I hold an ICAO ATPL...
Is it same in YOUR English - eh...? Ou bien dois-je l'écrire en français si vous êtes Québecois...?
This FAA licence is, or was validated by numerous ICAO aviation authorities, including JAA.
xxx
If you do not agree (or fail to understand) - I dont mind - I retire at end of November.
Happy contrails
xxx
Any pilot licences issued by countries member of ICAO, are ICAO licences, or compliant with ICAO standards.
I believe that the US is a member of ICAO, if not, strike United States from the list of ICAO member nations.
xxx
The USA, like any other nations, at times, issue licences which do not meet ICAO standards.
In that case, the limitation is indicated under "Title XIII" of their licence (or certificate).
Example -
FAR 61.159(2)(d) "Holder does not meet the pilot in command requirements of ICAO"...
xxx
I hold a FAA ATP certificate with various type ratings.
There are no "limitations" listed under Title XIII of my certificate.
So my licence is fully compliant with ICAO.
With my limited knowledge of English - I then understand that I hold an ICAO ATPL...
Is it same in YOUR English - eh...? Ou bien dois-je l'écrire en français si vous êtes Québecois...?
This FAA licence is, or was validated by numerous ICAO aviation authorities, including JAA.
xxx
If you do not agree (or fail to understand) - I dont mind - I retire at end of November.
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Sorry BelArgUSA but you're still wrong. This subject has been thrashed out on PPRUNE before but I guess the thread is so old it's no longer on the board. Not all licenses are ICAO because some states don't meet ICAO standards. It doesn't mean those licenses are no good, just that they deviate from the ICAO standard. For instance, with an FAA licence you can be F/O on a multi-engine aircraft but you don't have a type rating. With an ICAO licence you must have a type rating to act as F/O on a multi-engine aircraft that requires a F/O. Check it out you'll find that the FAA license is not ICAO.
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Question: "why Canadian licence?"
Answer: If you want an aviation licence and do not want to get one from the undisputed largest country in world aviation - USA - it makes sense to get one from the undisputed second largest country in world aviation - Canada. The last time I checked Canada had about 50% more commercially registered aircraft than third place Russia and associates and more commercially registered aircraft than the UK, Germany and France combined. People are needed to fly all these Canadian aircraft so Canadian pilot numbers reflect a similar ratio. In addition, as might be expected, pilots holding a licence from the second largest country in world aviation are to be found employed in all continents because, equally obviously, a licence from the second largest country in world aviation is recognised and respected throughout the world.
In addition to pilots and engineers, Canada also has the second largest nationally owned aircraft maker in the world - Bombardier - which is second only to the USA company Boeing. Airbus Industries is larger than Bombardier but it is not owned by one country. It is a rather fractious partnership cobbled together by some of the world's lesser aviation countries situated in Europe.
Answer: If you want an aviation licence and do not want to get one from the undisputed largest country in world aviation - USA - it makes sense to get one from the undisputed second largest country in world aviation - Canada. The last time I checked Canada had about 50% more commercially registered aircraft than third place Russia and associates and more commercially registered aircraft than the UK, Germany and France combined. People are needed to fly all these Canadian aircraft so Canadian pilot numbers reflect a similar ratio. In addition, as might be expected, pilots holding a licence from the second largest country in world aviation are to be found employed in all continents because, equally obviously, a licence from the second largest country in world aviation is recognised and respected throughout the world.
In addition to pilots and engineers, Canada also has the second largest nationally owned aircraft maker in the world - Bombardier - which is second only to the USA company Boeing. Airbus Industries is larger than Bombardier but it is not owned by one country. It is a rather fractious partnership cobbled together by some of the world's lesser aviation countries situated in Europe.
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There are a few other factors in favor of Canadian licenses that have not been mentioned.
1) Any foreign medical examiner can potentially renew your Canadian medical.
2) Relatively low costs, able to do licence renewals, pay fees, etc "by mail."
3) Ability to add certain foreign qualifications, such as type ratings, onto your established and medically valid Canadian license via relatively simple and low-cost administrative procedures.
Many countries file exemptions or differences from ICAO Annex 1 as from other ICAO Annexes, and Canada and the United States are no exception. Canada has published about 34 differences from ICAO Annex 1, and they can be reviewed in the AIM Canada LRA 3.10. From my personal experience, regulators consider licenses from an ICAO state to be an ICAO license.
Taiwan R.O.C. is not an ICAO state, and this probably has more to do with that Taiwan R.O.C. is not a member of the United Nations (ICAO is a body of the UN) for political reasons (objection from the P.R. of China and all the can of worms that tends to bring). However, please note KAG that China Airlines and Eva Air fly worldwide using Taiwanese-licensed airmen, and countries publish entry and overflight requirements for aircraft from non-ICAO states.
1) Any foreign medical examiner can potentially renew your Canadian medical.
2) Relatively low costs, able to do licence renewals, pay fees, etc "by mail."
3) Ability to add certain foreign qualifications, such as type ratings, onto your established and medically valid Canadian license via relatively simple and low-cost administrative procedures.
Many countries file exemptions or differences from ICAO Annex 1 as from other ICAO Annexes, and Canada and the United States are no exception. Canada has published about 34 differences from ICAO Annex 1, and they can be reviewed in the AIM Canada LRA 3.10. From my personal experience, regulators consider licenses from an ICAO state to be an ICAO license.
Taiwan R.O.C. is not an ICAO state, and this probably has more to do with that Taiwan R.O.C. is not a member of the United Nations (ICAO is a body of the UN) for political reasons (objection from the P.R. of China and all the can of worms that tends to bring). However, please note KAG that China Airlines and Eva Air fly worldwide using Taiwanese-licensed airmen, and countries publish entry and overflight requirements for aircraft from non-ICAO states.