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Porter
Saw a big ad for Porter in Friday's Globe & Mail: Calling All Pilots, and encouraging them to apply.
Have not seen much info about Porter here. What is the skinny on working there. Pay? Working conditions? Stability/growth? How do guys like it there? Can you survive in Toronto on what they pay? How long will they be able to fend off Jazz at Toronto Island Airport? Is there a training contract, and for how long. What else should I be asking myself before I email a resume there.
Thanks for any/all answers.
jt
Have not seen much info about Porter here. What is the skinny on working there. Pay? Working conditions? Stability/growth? How do guys like it there? Can you survive in Toronto on what they pay? How long will they be able to fend off Jazz at Toronto Island Airport? Is there a training contract, and for how long. What else should I be asking myself before I email a resume there.
Thanks for any/all answers.
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Hi JTrain
Can you please Email me the scanned copy of the Porter ad, if possible.
I failed to collect a copy of Friday's Globe And Mail.
Thanks,
Reaz
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Can you please Email me the scanned copy of the Porter ad, if possible.
I failed to collect a copy of Friday's Globe And Mail.
Thanks,
Reaz
[email protected]
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Porter are one of the more popular operators, no bond and decent pay/sched. soon after start. Have a friend there, who loves it, he does however live 40 mins. from the ferry in Toronto area. Just ask yourself if you want to live in the city of Toronto, if so then apply and enjoy. check their website www.flyporter.com
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careers section can be found on www.flyporter.com
includes all the info in the ad found int he globe/mail and the star
includes all the info in the ad found int he globe/mail and the star
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Blue Jay: You are incorrect in pretty much everything you said. Porter does have a bond, in fact a very large one. I believe it's $20,000 over to years for the type rating and then there as a multi thousand dollar uniform bond on top of that. The current Porter FO's are down to 10 days off a month now, so I wouldn't agree with the good schedule comment either. All of the airlines that porter competes with for employees offer more days off to start. They've recently had to lower their hiring requirements to 1500hrs because they can't find anyone to accept their current working conditions and pay.
All of that said, It's still a good job with a quick upgrade time. I just wanted to correct some inaccuracies in your post to ensure people had a clear picture of what it was really about.
All of that said, It's still a good job with a quick upgrade time. I just wanted to correct some inaccuracies in your post to ensure people had a clear picture of what it was really about.
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Sepia,
I''d like to know who you work for to be such an expert on Porter?
To further clarify, Porter has a bond, but it is a two year contract - no money required to pay up front. Porter F/O's have a MINUMUM of 10 days off. In reality, they average more like 13-14 days off. In fact Sepia, YOU are incorrect in saying the schedule is not good. I'm a line pilot at Porter and consider the schedule a huge reason for enjoying my job. I'm home most nights and if I am gone, its usually 1 night, and 2 nights max (for weekend pairings). No deadheading to start pairings in a different city, and no jetlag or nightflying to consider on top of days worked.
Bottom line for someone considering applying to Porter is that you will love the airplane, company morale, the challenge of flying out of the City Center, and the fact that the company spends the money to do things the right way from the beginning. But remember, it's a startup, so some things that you would expect from an established airline are "in the works". But, they are coming.
We currently have 6 airplanes, but will have somewhere around 17 by the end of 2009 (according to rumors). Porter already own the fuel trucks, terminal buildings, de-ice trucks and just about anything else a competitor would need to operate into YTZ.
Also, one could also imagine that there will be an IPO somewhere in the near future to pay for all those airplanes and a beautiful new permanent terminal at the island. I'll leave the $$$ speculation to others, but I will say that I will NOT be leaving before the IPO happens - and probably not after either. I don't get a hard-on for flying a B777, and I'm enjoying myself too much to go anywhere else.
I''d like to know who you work for to be such an expert on Porter?
To further clarify, Porter has a bond, but it is a two year contract - no money required to pay up front. Porter F/O's have a MINUMUM of 10 days off. In reality, they average more like 13-14 days off. In fact Sepia, YOU are incorrect in saying the schedule is not good. I'm a line pilot at Porter and consider the schedule a huge reason for enjoying my job. I'm home most nights and if I am gone, its usually 1 night, and 2 nights max (for weekend pairings). No deadheading to start pairings in a different city, and no jetlag or nightflying to consider on top of days worked.
Bottom line for someone considering applying to Porter is that you will love the airplane, company morale, the challenge of flying out of the City Center, and the fact that the company spends the money to do things the right way from the beginning. But remember, it's a startup, so some things that you would expect from an established airline are "in the works". But, they are coming.
We currently have 6 airplanes, but will have somewhere around 17 by the end of 2009 (according to rumors). Porter already own the fuel trucks, terminal buildings, de-ice trucks and just about anything else a competitor would need to operate into YTZ.
Also, one could also imagine that there will be an IPO somewhere in the near future to pay for all those airplanes and a beautiful new permanent terminal at the island. I'll leave the $$$ speculation to others, but I will say that I will NOT be leaving before the IPO happens - and probably not after either. I don't get a hard-on for flying a B777, and I'm enjoying myself too much to go anywhere else.
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Interview
Sir LandsAlot
I really appreciate your stand for your Airline. It also confirms the atmosphere that is prevailing within Porter Airlines.
Could you please let me know what I can expect in the interview or how should I prepare myself for the interview for Poter. I may receive a call for an interview anytime soon. Any help will be highly appreciated.
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Reaz
I really appreciate your stand for your Airline. It also confirms the atmosphere that is prevailing within Porter Airlines.
Could you please let me know what I can expect in the interview or how should I prepare myself for the interview for Poter. I may receive a call for an interview anytime soon. Any help will be highly appreciated.
with regards,
Reaz
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The interview is more about personality than anything else. They are looking for positive attitudes and "upgradable" personalities - like having strong communication and team skills. Know a little bit about the company and the operation - all things that you can find on flyporter.com. Most definetly dress business professional.
There is very little technical stuff to the interview and no sim evaluation.
Good luck!
And to answer the question about minimums - the website specifies 3000TT, but a few have been hired with less if they are strong in the interview. Do NOT be discouraged if you don't have the min time since you may get an interview if your experience is good, or at the very least, you'll get into the database.
There is very little technical stuff to the interview and no sim evaluation.
Good luck!
And to answer the question about minimums - the website specifies 3000TT, but a few have been hired with less if they are strong in the interview. Do NOT be discouraged if you don't have the min time since you may get an interview if your experience is good, or at the very least, you'll get into the database.
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Sir Landsalot
Off topic..but how are the passenger loads at present? Especially on the KEWR route?. I heard that Porter lost one service due to some curfew restriction out of Newark affecting the time back into YTZ?
Hope the service remains viable. Of all the things that have annoyed me since I arrived in YYZ has been the sheer shortsightedness by the city council towards the island airport...and the hostility towards it. To me a city that want to consider itself "world" class should have an airport that serves the business community..and that is in no way supposed to disregard Pearson.
On a professional and personal note...never had any problems working you guys (I work 128.8)....we seem to have ironed out most of the ATC related issues........which all seem to be in bad weather for the ILS 08 approach. Hope it is smooth from your side aswell.
Off topic..but how are the passenger loads at present? Especially on the KEWR route?. I heard that Porter lost one service due to some curfew restriction out of Newark affecting the time back into YTZ?
Hope the service remains viable. Of all the things that have annoyed me since I arrived in YYZ has been the sheer shortsightedness by the city council towards the island airport...and the hostility towards it. To me a city that want to consider itself "world" class should have an airport that serves the business community..and that is in no way supposed to disregard Pearson.
On a professional and personal note...never had any problems working you guys (I work 128.8)....we seem to have ironed out most of the ATC related issues........which all seem to be in bad weather for the ILS 08 approach. Hope it is smooth from your side aswell.
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Married a Canadian,
Yes, we lost one weekday flight for the summer only, but picked up 3 extra weekend fights instead! It seems like a good compromise solution for the FAA, and good for Porter too since the weekend leisure flights have been absolutly packed. So to answer your question regarding EWR loads - very good right off the bat, and better than expected.
Those bad weather days favouring ILS 08 make for challenges with 33 arrivals at YYZ, but the company is working with Nav Canada and ATC towards curved RNP approaches, and new arrivals to YTZ that will hopefully alleviate the problem. I'm sure you know more about that stuff than I do, and we sure do appreciate the good working relationship with seem to have with you guys at YYZ ATC!
Yes, we lost one weekday flight for the summer only, but picked up 3 extra weekend fights instead! It seems like a good compromise solution for the FAA, and good for Porter too since the weekend leisure flights have been absolutly packed. So to answer your question regarding EWR loads - very good right off the bat, and better than expected.
Those bad weather days favouring ILS 08 make for challenges with 33 arrivals at YYZ, but the company is working with Nav Canada and ATC towards curved RNP approaches, and new arrivals to YTZ that will hopefully alleviate the problem. I'm sure you know more about that stuff than I do, and we sure do appreciate the good working relationship with seem to have with you guys at YYZ ATC!
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Porter will not be losing any more weekday flights.
See Sir Landsalot's post he knows what he's talking about.
We have a net loss of one round trip per week. It takes effect on June 20 and the restrictions will go away in the fall.
This actually worked out very well for us. There is a typical lull in business travellers in the summer during the weekday and an increase in leisure travel on the weekends. We've basically just switched capacity to the high demand areas for the summer.
...as for interviews. They will begin next week and continue through to the middle of June at least.We may be hiring a couple of DEC. They will try very hard not to.
I have been very fortunate to have been with the company since the beginning, and I believe the company is very well positioned to survive the long haul.
The airplanes are incredible performers, they burn less than Bombardier advertises, the company overhead is extremely low compared to operators based at YYZ and the airline continues to grow in a very methodical manner.
Porter had attracted the most start up capital of any North American airline except Jet Blue and made a net profit within six months of operation and since then loads have increased and are consistently quite full to all destinations.
On top of this; the managers have a vast amount of aviation experience in Canada. There are very approachable and receptive to suggestions by all employees.
They are finalizing interline travel agreements with 2 scheduled international carriers right now and are working to attract more flight crew through improvements to terms and conditions.
If you are happy returning home to your family most nights, not dealing with time zone changes, working with pleasant, motivated people, and flying to a very nice downtown airport, Porter might be for you
See Sir Landsalot's post he knows what he's talking about.
We have a net loss of one round trip per week. It takes effect on June 20 and the restrictions will go away in the fall.
This actually worked out very well for us. There is a typical lull in business travellers in the summer during the weekday and an increase in leisure travel on the weekends. We've basically just switched capacity to the high demand areas for the summer.
...as for interviews. They will begin next week and continue through to the middle of June at least.We may be hiring a couple of DEC. They will try very hard not to.
I have been very fortunate to have been with the company since the beginning, and I believe the company is very well positioned to survive the long haul.
The airplanes are incredible performers, they burn less than Bombardier advertises, the company overhead is extremely low compared to operators based at YYZ and the airline continues to grow in a very methodical manner.
Porter had attracted the most start up capital of any North American airline except Jet Blue and made a net profit within six months of operation and since then loads have increased and are consistently quite full to all destinations.
On top of this; the managers have a vast amount of aviation experience in Canada. There are very approachable and receptive to suggestions by all employees.
They are finalizing interline travel agreements with 2 scheduled international carriers right now and are working to attract more flight crew through improvements to terms and conditions.
If you are happy returning home to your family most nights, not dealing with time zone changes, working with pleasant, motivated people, and flying to a very nice downtown airport, Porter might be for you