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Lazlo, most of what you say is spot on (especially pilot's salaries) but your tax info is either very old or is from Québec, BC or the Maritimes. Ontario has been cutting income tax rates every year since 1996 (the fed also made a cut last year but it's too small to notice and got wiped out by a premium hike for the Canada Ponzi Plan), for 2000 most middle-income earners pay ~35% and the top rate (at $85,000/year) is now ~41%. My advice to foreigners is to settle in Ontario or Alberta if possible- Ontario has the lowest income tax rates and Alberta has the lowest overall tax burden. Avoid Québec & BC like the plague- crippling taxes and "in your face" government that's crippled the economy.
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Lazlo,
You fail to mention that the cost of living in the UK is more than 2 and half times that of Canada.
Effectively that puts BA pilots pay scales below that of the Canadian charters and on par with a regional airline here.
One Pound Sterling = One CAD $ when cost of living factored in.
100,000 Sterling buys you a semi-detached in London and 250,000CAD gets you a small mansion outside Toronto.
10,000 Sterling gets you a mini in London and 25000 CAD gets you a full sized Chrysler in Canada...get the picture!
You fail to mention that the cost of living in the UK is more than 2 and half times that of Canada.
Effectively that puts BA pilots pay scales below that of the Canadian charters and on par with a regional airline here.
One Pound Sterling = One CAD $ when cost of living factored in.
100,000 Sterling buys you a semi-detached in London and 250,000CAD gets you a small mansion outside Toronto.
10,000 Sterling gets you a mini in London and 25000 CAD gets you a full sized Chrysler in Canada...get the picture!
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lazlo,thanks for the gen,i still think that canada wins it for me,i don't think that it is all bad here in the good old u.k. but i have seen a place where a better lifestyle is possible for me,that's taking every thing into consideration,i work for an airline that is very good,most of my time is jet ,some turbo,the problem for me is not income [i'll bet not many f.o's take home anything like i do] but lifestyle, ie i'd like one!
canada offers a much improved life for me and mine, i find it hard to believe that a pilot can not earn a decent standard of living in canada.
i pos tomorrow for 6 days away,like i do every week, thank god that i have a decent looking wife,it feels like i score every week,then just pi** off for another 6 days [ground hog day], good if i were single though!! your right about the salarys here in u.k. i think that they are just about to go thru the roof,so if the canada thing keels over,i'll just buy a small ranch as a holiday getaway.
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canada offers a much improved life for me and mine, i find it hard to believe that a pilot can not earn a decent standard of living in canada.
i pos tomorrow for 6 days away,like i do every week, thank god that i have a decent looking wife,it feels like i score every week,then just pi** off for another 6 days [ground hog day], good if i were single though!! your right about the salarys here in u.k. i think that they are just about to go thru the roof,so if the canada thing keels over,i'll just buy a small ranch as a holiday getaway.
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Azure I would be voting for King Ralph, but I wouldn't be eligible for this one. I've been living down unda for the past year. Although I will be moving back this year.
Don't forget no sales tax in Alberta !!!
Everyone complains about taxes where they live. They do in England, Canada, the U.S., Australia, etc. Each country has advantages, and disadvantages.
England has a very high cost of living (my wife has cousins who keep telling us how cheap it is to live here in Oz!!!), moderate taxes (how about 17.5 % VAT??).
Here in Australia, we have a higher income tax rate than Canada. Cars, gas tax (gasoline) is higher, gst is higher @ 10%, stamp duty (an extra tax on houses, cars, etc.) medicare levy, almost need extra health coverage in order to get service (you also have to pay the excess that they don't cover ~ 30%), booze and smokes have a higher tax also. (despite all this I love Oz, and would rather stay, but work calls
) You see each country has problems and high costs. It all depends on your point of view, and your personal preference.
You can live quite well in Canada on a pilot's salary. I don't have a problem with what I get paid (and no I don't work for an airline). I earn enough to live modestly, and I have all I need. I became a pilot so that I could go out and fly. I didn't do it for the money. The money is decent, but someone pays me to do something I love to do !!! What a great way to spend my life !!! If I had wanted to make millions I would have become a compu-geek or stockbroker so there !!!
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Don't forget no sales tax in Alberta !!!
Everyone complains about taxes where they live. They do in England, Canada, the U.S., Australia, etc. Each country has advantages, and disadvantages.
England has a very high cost of living (my wife has cousins who keep telling us how cheap it is to live here in Oz!!!), moderate taxes (how about 17.5 % VAT??).
Here in Australia, we have a higher income tax rate than Canada. Cars, gas tax (gasoline) is higher, gst is higher @ 10%, stamp duty (an extra tax on houses, cars, etc.) medicare levy, almost need extra health coverage in order to get service (you also have to pay the excess that they don't cover ~ 30%), booze and smokes have a higher tax also. (despite all this I love Oz, and would rather stay, but work calls
) You see each country has problems and high costs. It all depends on your point of view, and your personal preference.You can live quite well in Canada on a pilot's salary. I don't have a problem with what I get paid (and no I don't work for an airline). I earn enough to live modestly, and I have all I need. I became a pilot so that I could go out and fly. I didn't do it for the money. The money is decent, but someone pays me to do something I love to do !!! What a great way to spend my life !!! If I had wanted to make millions I would have become a compu-geek or stockbroker so there !!!
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Squawk,
You are right my information is a few years dated regarding taxes, and they originate from BC. However, I have lived in Ontario as well, just not as recently. You are correct about the taxes in Ontario being reduced so drastically but at what cost? I was in Ontario last year on holiday and I seem to recall that teachers were working to rule after not having had a pay increase in something like 9 years. So that is actually a big pay reduction with inflation taken into account (albeit low levels). This meant that there are no extracurricular activities, ie sports, music, etc, with the exception of a small number of teachers who were defying the union. As a parent, I would not settle in Ontario for this very reason. Having said that I think things here in Britain are headed that way as well!! I would live nowhere else but in BC but that is a personal decision. I would rather pay the extra tax because the overall quality of life (in areas that I see as important for myself and my family) is far higher. But you do pay for that and admittedly you do have to put up with some pretty weird governments.
Flxsrsrwy,
Your price comparisons are not quite correct because you cannot compare prices like for like in that way. The cost of living in the UK is certainly not 2.5 times that in Canada, just because the exchange rate is in that region. BA pilots certainly do NOT live a quality of life similar to an regional pilot in Canada. Nowhere even remotely near. These guys are living well, let me tell you. As an FO for a UK charter airline I can tell you that I have the lifestyle of a newly qualified AC captain. A semi-detached house in London by the way costs nowhere near £100,000, more like £250,000 unless you are planning on living somewhere really really horrible, but most pilots do not live in London. If you are based at LGW or LHR then yes, your housing costs will be higher but you do not need to live in London - guys are spread all over the south of England. London is so radicially more expensive than the rest of the country it is just unreal. Cost of living in London probably is 2.5 times that in Toronto but the rest of the UK is nowhere near that level. You can buy a nice detached home with garden in the midlands for £80-90,000, and south of Birmingham for £120,000. But it depends so much on where you buy, some places are expensive because people want to live there and some aren't. You say $250,000 will buy a small mansion outside of Toronto, but how far outside? Last time I looked $250,000 will buy a modest sized house in Mississauga but nothing more. But Toronto, like London, has that effect on house prices. If you spent $250,000 on a place just outside of Edmonton you'd get acres of land and a mansion. Depends where you buy. And it all comes down to mortgageable pay anyway. The simple fact is that based on the wages I have seen, a 757 FO for C3 can afford (on a single wage) a house that costs around $150-180,000. In Britain, a similar FO for a similar airline can afford a house that costs £150-170,000. That is the equivalent of around $330-400,000. That works out to a lot more house in the UK.
It does not cost £10,000 for a mini. Car prices have been unrealistically high in this country for years but this year has seen prices fall by a lot due to government pressure. £10,000 will buy you a much more decent car these days and by the way, that includes the sales tax of 17.5%, which is never quoted on the price of products in Canada (ie GST, PST except Alberta). The price on an item is what you pay, you don't get about 15% added at the counter. That is why, on the face of it, things in Canada look so much cheaper and while on the whole things are cheaper, they are not as cheap as you would think.
Something that may come as a surprise is that in Canada the health system is free but prescription drugs cost a lot of money. In the UK, the standard prescription fee is £6 for absolutely anything. In Canada, you had better have a drug plan of some sort, either in your company benefits plan or out of your own pocket (at around 50 bucks a month I think) because drugs are expensive. The last prescription I had in Canada was for some simple antibiotics for a minor infection at a cost of $80!!! I cannot imagine what I would do if I had a serious problem with no drug plan. And as well Canada does not have a two tier health system like we do in the UK. My company pays for private medical care for me (a nice little benefit I must say) but in Canada, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to go to the states and be prepared to spend thousands upon thousands for private health care.
Even things like energy costs cannot be compared like for like. The cost of energy in this country is a lot higher than in Canada, but we use only a fraction of the energy to heat our houses and therefore I actually spend less than the average Canadian doing so. If we all used resources to the same extent that Canadians do than sure, this place would be unliveable in terms of cost but we do not, since the climate is not so harsh. I do get tired of all the rain though. Thought it rained a lot in BC but this place takes the cake.
So after all that (sorry about the length) I am just trying to say that UK cost of living is not what it seems. Yes we are ripped off for a lot of things but not as bad as people might think . Everyone always thinks they have a raw deal but having lived on both sides of the fence I can safely say that both countries are great for some things and not for others. But for an airline (jet) pilot in Canada to enjoy the same standard of living as an equivalent pilot in the UK, F/O starting wages would have to be in the neighbourhood of around $80,000 and captains would have to start on around $130,000. I personally would never move back unless I could secure a wage of at least that amount but more likely closer to $90,000 or my quality of life would be seriously diminished. Which is a shame because I love Canada. But I hate the way it treats pilots. I have 3000 hours, 2500 of which are on 757/767. Anyone in Canada want to hire me for $90,000 plus benefits to live in Vancouver? I doubt it. Instead I will be buying a house in Canada for my holidays, because with my pay I can afford that sort of thing.
Gearup, I wish you the best of luck at it appears that you have thought things through and have got things sorted out. So long as you either have a great job arranged with decent salary, or you have another source of income, then life will be good for you.
You are right my information is a few years dated regarding taxes, and they originate from BC. However, I have lived in Ontario as well, just not as recently. You are correct about the taxes in Ontario being reduced so drastically but at what cost? I was in Ontario last year on holiday and I seem to recall that teachers were working to rule after not having had a pay increase in something like 9 years. So that is actually a big pay reduction with inflation taken into account (albeit low levels). This meant that there are no extracurricular activities, ie sports, music, etc, with the exception of a small number of teachers who were defying the union. As a parent, I would not settle in Ontario for this very reason. Having said that I think things here in Britain are headed that way as well!! I would live nowhere else but in BC but that is a personal decision. I would rather pay the extra tax because the overall quality of life (in areas that I see as important for myself and my family) is far higher. But you do pay for that and admittedly you do have to put up with some pretty weird governments.
Flxsrsrwy,
Your price comparisons are not quite correct because you cannot compare prices like for like in that way. The cost of living in the UK is certainly not 2.5 times that in Canada, just because the exchange rate is in that region. BA pilots certainly do NOT live a quality of life similar to an regional pilot in Canada. Nowhere even remotely near. These guys are living well, let me tell you. As an FO for a UK charter airline I can tell you that I have the lifestyle of a newly qualified AC captain. A semi-detached house in London by the way costs nowhere near £100,000, more like £250,000 unless you are planning on living somewhere really really horrible, but most pilots do not live in London. If you are based at LGW or LHR then yes, your housing costs will be higher but you do not need to live in London - guys are spread all over the south of England. London is so radicially more expensive than the rest of the country it is just unreal. Cost of living in London probably is 2.5 times that in Toronto but the rest of the UK is nowhere near that level. You can buy a nice detached home with garden in the midlands for £80-90,000, and south of Birmingham for £120,000. But it depends so much on where you buy, some places are expensive because people want to live there and some aren't. You say $250,000 will buy a small mansion outside of Toronto, but how far outside? Last time I looked $250,000 will buy a modest sized house in Mississauga but nothing more. But Toronto, like London, has that effect on house prices. If you spent $250,000 on a place just outside of Edmonton you'd get acres of land and a mansion. Depends where you buy. And it all comes down to mortgageable pay anyway. The simple fact is that based on the wages I have seen, a 757 FO for C3 can afford (on a single wage) a house that costs around $150-180,000. In Britain, a similar FO for a similar airline can afford a house that costs £150-170,000. That is the equivalent of around $330-400,000. That works out to a lot more house in the UK.
It does not cost £10,000 for a mini. Car prices have been unrealistically high in this country for years but this year has seen prices fall by a lot due to government pressure. £10,000 will buy you a much more decent car these days and by the way, that includes the sales tax of 17.5%, which is never quoted on the price of products in Canada (ie GST, PST except Alberta). The price on an item is what you pay, you don't get about 15% added at the counter. That is why, on the face of it, things in Canada look so much cheaper and while on the whole things are cheaper, they are not as cheap as you would think.
Something that may come as a surprise is that in Canada the health system is free but prescription drugs cost a lot of money. In the UK, the standard prescription fee is £6 for absolutely anything. In Canada, you had better have a drug plan of some sort, either in your company benefits plan or out of your own pocket (at around 50 bucks a month I think) because drugs are expensive. The last prescription I had in Canada was for some simple antibiotics for a minor infection at a cost of $80!!! I cannot imagine what I would do if I had a serious problem with no drug plan. And as well Canada does not have a two tier health system like we do in the UK. My company pays for private medical care for me (a nice little benefit I must say) but in Canada, as someone mentioned earlier, you have to go to the states and be prepared to spend thousands upon thousands for private health care.
Even things like energy costs cannot be compared like for like. The cost of energy in this country is a lot higher than in Canada, but we use only a fraction of the energy to heat our houses and therefore I actually spend less than the average Canadian doing so. If we all used resources to the same extent that Canadians do than sure, this place would be unliveable in terms of cost but we do not, since the climate is not so harsh. I do get tired of all the rain though. Thought it rained a lot in BC but this place takes the cake.
So after all that (sorry about the length) I am just trying to say that UK cost of living is not what it seems. Yes we are ripped off for a lot of things but not as bad as people might think . Everyone always thinks they have a raw deal but having lived on both sides of the fence I can safely say that both countries are great for some things and not for others. But for an airline (jet) pilot in Canada to enjoy the same standard of living as an equivalent pilot in the UK, F/O starting wages would have to be in the neighbourhood of around $80,000 and captains would have to start on around $130,000. I personally would never move back unless I could secure a wage of at least that amount but more likely closer to $90,000 or my quality of life would be seriously diminished. Which is a shame because I love Canada. But I hate the way it treats pilots. I have 3000 hours, 2500 of which are on 757/767. Anyone in Canada want to hire me for $90,000 plus benefits to live in Vancouver? I doubt it. Instead I will be buying a house in Canada for my holidays, because with my pay I can afford that sort of thing.
Gearup, I wish you the best of luck at it appears that you have thought things through and have got things sorted out. So long as you either have a great job arranged with decent salary, or you have another source of income, then life will be good for you.
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Lazlo,
Go to this website;
http://www.homefair.com/calc/intcitypick.html
and put in Burlington Ont and Gatwick.
Two areas just outside the main cities.
You will see that if you make 100,000CAD in Burlington you will need 225,000 CAD or about 100,000 sterling to have the same life style....comments?
Go to this website;
http://www.homefair.com/calc/intcitypick.html
and put in Burlington Ont and Gatwick.
Two areas just outside the main cities.
You will see that if you make 100,000CAD in Burlington you will need 225,000 CAD or about 100,000 sterling to have the same life style....comments?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">I was in Ontario last year on holiday and I seem to recall that teachers were working to rule after not having had a pay increase in something like 9 years.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">in Canada the health system is free</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">In Canada, you had better have a drug plan of some sort, either in your company benefits plan or out of your own pocket (at around 50 bucks a month I think) because drugs are expensive.</font>
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Flxrxrwy,
You obviously don't know an awful lot about the UK. It is ludicrous comparing Burlington and Gatwick. You would be better off comparing Burlington to Luton or Peterborough or Stevenage something similar. Gatwick is in one of the most expensive postcodes in the country. You would be better off comparing it with something like Rosedale or Forest Hill. Gatwick has excellent transportation connections with London which is why it is so expensive. I am telling you as someone with personal experience living in both countries what the real situation is like, not what some website generator can compute. Just the fact that you have equated the quality of life of a BA Captain with that of a Regional FO is ludicrous and should be treated as such. Do not forget that the be all and end all of living in the UK does not mean living in Surrey or London. You can just as easily be based in BHX, MAN, LBA, NCL, GLA, EMA etc and instantly your cost of living is less than half of that in London. Just like in Canada. If you choose to live in Rosedale or West Vancouver or London England you accept the fact that most of your money is spent on property. If you choose to live in Burlington or Brighton or Manchester then you will have a bit more money in your pocket at the end of the month. For example. If I wasn't married with kids, on my wage I can afford a large four bedroom house, a fancy German sportscar (yes bought in the UK), two trips abroad every year and a holiday home in Canada. Because I have kids I am afraid that I have had to skip the sportscar and settle for two cars of a more practical type. Did I mention that I am the only wage-earner? Not bad when, by your calculations, I am on a salary equivalent to less than a regional pilot (since I am paid nowhere near what a BA captain gets).
Squawk,
I don't really care what the "real" dispute is with the teachers, all I am saying is that the dispute is most defenitely there. It is present and causing problems, and the other provinces do not have these problems to the extent that Ontario does and therefore it cannot be good for my kids and therefore I am better off living somewhere that does not have this dispute. And by the way teachers get pay rises for about the first ten years of their careers and then hit the ceiling, so they depend on pay awards to at least match inflation to prevent what in real terms amounts to a decrease in pay. So for any teacher who has been teaching for more than ten years they have not seen an increase for quite some time. Your point on the health-care situation is well put and I digress.
You obviously don't know an awful lot about the UK. It is ludicrous comparing Burlington and Gatwick. You would be better off comparing Burlington to Luton or Peterborough or Stevenage something similar. Gatwick is in one of the most expensive postcodes in the country. You would be better off comparing it with something like Rosedale or Forest Hill. Gatwick has excellent transportation connections with London which is why it is so expensive. I am telling you as someone with personal experience living in both countries what the real situation is like, not what some website generator can compute. Just the fact that you have equated the quality of life of a BA Captain with that of a Regional FO is ludicrous and should be treated as such. Do not forget that the be all and end all of living in the UK does not mean living in Surrey or London. You can just as easily be based in BHX, MAN, LBA, NCL, GLA, EMA etc and instantly your cost of living is less than half of that in London. Just like in Canada. If you choose to live in Rosedale or West Vancouver or London England you accept the fact that most of your money is spent on property. If you choose to live in Burlington or Brighton or Manchester then you will have a bit more money in your pocket at the end of the month. For example. If I wasn't married with kids, on my wage I can afford a large four bedroom house, a fancy German sportscar (yes bought in the UK), two trips abroad every year and a holiday home in Canada. Because I have kids I am afraid that I have had to skip the sportscar and settle for two cars of a more practical type. Did I mention that I am the only wage-earner? Not bad when, by your calculations, I am on a salary equivalent to less than a regional pilot (since I am paid nowhere near what a BA captain gets).
Squawk,
I don't really care what the "real" dispute is with the teachers, all I am saying is that the dispute is most defenitely there. It is present and causing problems, and the other provinces do not have these problems to the extent that Ontario does and therefore it cannot be good for my kids and therefore I am better off living somewhere that does not have this dispute. And by the way teachers get pay rises for about the first ten years of their careers and then hit the ceiling, so they depend on pay awards to at least match inflation to prevent what in real terms amounts to a decrease in pay. So for any teacher who has been teaching for more than ten years they have not seen an increase for quite some time. Your point on the health-care situation is well put and I digress.
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Lazlo.
Go to the main page at homefair.com, look on the left side and click on salary calculator. When the next page comes up look in the centre and click on international cities, next page,click Canada and UK then whatever cities you want to compare.
I just tried Guelph Ont and Cardiff. The difference is 2.2 to 1 or Guelph, Belfast 2 to 1.
The cost of living in the UK is twice or more as much as Canada.
BTW, I did not say that BA Capts earn the same as regional FO's.
I said that when COL is factored in, and if a senior BA Capt makes about 120K sterling/year, that is less than a charter guy makes.
Go to the main page at homefair.com, look on the left side and click on salary calculator. When the next page comes up look in the centre and click on international cities, next page,click Canada and UK then whatever cities you want to compare.
I just tried Guelph Ont and Cardiff. The difference is 2.2 to 1 or Guelph, Belfast 2 to 1.
The cost of living in the UK is twice or more as much as Canada.
BTW, I did not say that BA Capts earn the same as regional FO's.
I said that when COL is factored in, and if a senior BA Capt makes about 120K sterling/year, that is less than a charter guy makes.
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OK That works now, but I am afraid that the website quite simply does not take all factors into account. There are so many variables to consider, and it just doesnt consider them all. 2.2 times or even 2 times more expensive is not correct. The cost of housing here is probably why the website has come up with such large figures in its comparison and I have to admit housing CAN be pretty expensive. However when you take into account that the interest rates for mortgages are considerably less than in Canada and going down, as well as the fact that as soon as you get yourself onto the "property ladder" you can make a lot of money in a very short time, it actually isnt that bad at all. Certainly not twice as bad! And really, a BA captain is on a par with a senior AC Captain. I mean think about it, a lot of those guys have houses in villages near Heathrow. Those places can be worth UK £300,000 and up which translates very quickly in to CAD millions. Canadian charter pilots are not on wages that can support that, but BA Captains (and FOs for that matter). If they couldn't, they wouldn't fly. Funny thing is I was on a Canadian charter aircraft flight deck recently and both pilots were asking me if there was any way they could get a UK passport - they said they wanted to fly in the UK where there was "real" money to be made! Well, the real money is in the US but the UK is a lot better than Canada.
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sorry but not only that. I working now in a country where the F/A make more money that an F/O on a 757, 320, 310 in Canada. Very sorry for us.I would return in Canada anytime for half less that what I have now. But unfortunatly the Canadien market is not ready yet to pay us that much.
One thing also we have to keep in our mind as professional our career can stop tomorow, in six month, or at 60 year old, we don't know, the only think we can do for us and our familly is to prepare ourself, take care of our health and our future. if I ever lose my medical with the money you manage to put aside with the salarie plus the tax in Canada, I don't think I will have enough money to return to school, take care of the familly and send my children at school in the same time.
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One thing also we have to keep in our mind as professional our career can stop tomorow, in six month, or at 60 year old, we don't know, the only think we can do for us and our familly is to prepare ourself, take care of our health and our future. if I ever lose my medical with the money you manage to put aside with the salarie plus the tax in Canada, I don't think I will have enough money to return to school, take care of the familly and send my children at school in the same time.
this is my opignon
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I'll be moving back to Canada in about 2 weeks, and I'll be visiting the wonderland known as England on my way. I'll see for myself what it's like. One question for you Lazlo, if it's so wonderful there, how come I've met so many ex-pat Brits looking for work way down here in the land of Oz, and the ones asking about immigrating to Canada ??? Sure if you are one of the few who get on with BA you'll do alright, but what about places like Easy-jet, or any of the other low-cost airlines ?? Do they pay the same as BA ???
I don't know all that much about the country, other than what I see on the telly. Had any problems getting petrol lately ?? Didn't the truckies blockade the distribution points ?? Fire engines, ambulances, police all ran out of fuel at various times. Me thinks that's as bad as a few union folks whingeing about their pay. Had any good meat lately ?? Thinking of becoming a vegetarian while I'm visiting there. God only knows what kind of disease will be in the meat. I'll make sure that I don't go near any football stadiums while a game is going on, I like my head without a brick, or pipe lodged in it. Great place you got there !!!
Before anyone gets all wound up, believe it or not, I'm not trying to put England down. What I am try to say is that every country has it's good and bad points, and you'll find whatever you're looking for. If you look for the bad, then that's what you'll find. I was able to find a few bad without really trying. I can find good too. Wonderful scenery, vast history, good beer, friendly people, etc.
No place is perfect, otherwise we'd all live there. If you live in the States, you're more likely to be involved in a violent crime, than say Sweden, but you'll pay less in tax. I respect anyones choice to live where they want. Just be careful putting someone elses country down when you don't have the information. Going only by the media, or a short vacation can really skew ones perceptions.
I apologise if I have insulted anyone, or caused you grief, I meant only to make you think.
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p.s. Tin Tin if I lose my license, and go on disability insurance, whatever they pay me is tax free. A friend told me about a company that will cover pilots, and they pay out if I cannot perform my duties because of medical reasons. So if I lose my medical, they pay. They will also help in any retraining. I would recomend every pilot gets their own personal disability insurance. (no I'm selling it !!)
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I don't know all that much about the country, other than what I see on the telly. Had any problems getting petrol lately ?? Didn't the truckies blockade the distribution points ?? Fire engines, ambulances, police all ran out of fuel at various times. Me thinks that's as bad as a few union folks whingeing about their pay. Had any good meat lately ?? Thinking of becoming a vegetarian while I'm visiting there. God only knows what kind of disease will be in the meat. I'll make sure that I don't go near any football stadiums while a game is going on, I like my head without a brick, or pipe lodged in it. Great place you got there !!!
Before anyone gets all wound up, believe it or not, I'm not trying to put England down. What I am try to say is that every country has it's good and bad points, and you'll find whatever you're looking for. If you look for the bad, then that's what you'll find. I was able to find a few bad without really trying. I can find good too. Wonderful scenery, vast history, good beer,
friendly people, etc.No place is perfect, otherwise we'd all live there. If you live in the States, you're more likely to be involved in a violent crime, than say Sweden, but you'll pay less in tax. I respect anyones choice to live where they want. Just be careful putting someone elses country down when you don't have the information. Going only by the media, or a short vacation can really skew ones perceptions.
I apologise if I have insulted anyone, or caused you grief, I meant only to make you think.
Cheers
Randy_G
If you can't stand the heat ...
Then turn up the airconditioning !!
p.s. Tin Tin if I lose my license, and go on disability insurance, whatever they pay me is tax free. A friend told me about a company that will cover pilots, and they pay out if I cannot perform my duties because of medical reasons. So if I lose my medical, they pay. They will also help in any retraining. I would recomend every pilot gets their own personal disability insurance. (no I'm selling it !!
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Don't worry about the beef on your stopover.
According to the National Post here in Canada, we're shipping tons of HORSE MEAT to Europe.
"Quote: Most of the animals come from huge feedlots where they are raised for slaughter. Others are former racehorses or unwanted pets."
Makes me gag!
Have a safe trip home; even though I'm not very proud of it at the moment!
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According to the National Post here in Canada, we're shipping tons of HORSE MEAT to Europe.
"Quote: Most of the animals come from huge feedlots where they are raised for slaughter. Others are former racehorses or unwanted pets."
Makes me gag!
Have a safe trip home; even though I'm not very proud of it at the moment!
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For a comparison of some salaries in the lower echelons of the aviation ladder in Canada I offer you these (from personal experience):
Bush pilot, small cessna $1500-2400/mo.
Bush pilot, Beaver/Otter $2200-5000/mo.
Flight instructor $15-25/hr
B1900 F/O $24,000-33,000/yr
The bush pilots obviously live outside of 'society' in general, so cost of living is usually fairly low. Large sacrifices must be made at all stages to move up the career ladder as you can see a large pay cut is in order to join a Tier III regional on a B1900 (minimum approx. 2000 hrs.). All pay gripes aside, we've got a pretty good thing going in Canada and I plan to stay.
Bush pilot, small cessna $1500-2400/mo.
Bush pilot, Beaver/Otter $2200-5000/mo.
Flight instructor $15-25/hr
B1900 F/O $24,000-33,000/yr
The bush pilots obviously live outside of 'society' in general, so cost of living is usually fairly low. Large sacrifices must be made at all stages to move up the career ladder as you can see a large pay cut is in order to join a Tier III regional on a B1900 (minimum approx. 2000 hrs.). All pay gripes aside, we've got a pretty good thing going in Canada and I plan to stay.
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I think all have missed the original post - "CANADA increases immigration Quota"
I note that the 1st World countries hardly feature???
I left Canada some 10 Years ago and would not go back by choice (except for holidays)as it seems their Medical system is is shot (at least I have a choice with Private)taxes high etc.
Certainly, the standard of living is higher in Canada, but what of the Quality of life??
And who is going to pay for this increase in Immigration and who of the "Good 'ole Canuk" will be left after the next 10 years if this trend continues?
Shame!
I note that the 1st World countries hardly feature???
I left Canada some 10 Years ago and would not go back by choice (except for holidays)as it seems their Medical system is is shot (at least I have a choice with Private)taxes high etc.
Certainly, the standard of living is higher in Canada, but what of the Quality of life??
And who is going to pay for this increase in Immigration and who of the "Good 'ole Canuk" will be left after the next 10 years if this trend continues?
Shame!
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The topic of this thread was about Immigration numbers, but the postings are mainly "my choice of country is better than yours because.....".
randy_g was nearest in his assessment which boils down to weighing the pros and cons of any particular choice. Some seem happier to trade say health insurance for extra income, where others look to lower taxation. Most of the people are content to an extent with their choices - I'm sure the pop-psychologists could comment on the depth of feeling that can be generated in these discussions
The postings here really seem to revolve around economic "refugees' wanting to go where the cash rewards are greatest.... No-one has mentioned the other large group of people who come for reasons of safety. Whatever your views on the economic aspects of your choices, it might be worth checking Nr Fairy's thread "Food for Thought" in JB to see why some people may want to leave their current homes.
I haven't seen the details of C-15 so I don't have a handle on what changes will result if/when it passes.
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randy_g was nearest in his assessment which boils down to weighing the pros and cons of any particular choice. Some seem happier to trade say health insurance for extra income, where others look to lower taxation. Most of the people are content to an extent with their choices - I'm sure the pop-psychologists could comment on the depth of feeling that can be generated in these discussions
The postings here really seem to revolve around economic "refugees' wanting to go where the cash rewards are greatest.... No-one has mentioned the other large group of people who come for reasons of safety. Whatever your views on the economic aspects of your choices, it might be worth checking Nr Fairy's thread "Food for Thought" in JB to see why some people may want to leave their current homes.
I haven't seen the details of C-15 so I don't have a handle on what changes will result if/when it passes.
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