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Ask what they want to the marker, and then do ten knots over that. Your approach should be stabilized at the marker, so you can decide what kind of drag you want to throw out before then. Try and avoid bull!!!! non stabilized approaches at all costs, but practise them in the sim if you have the opportunity, just to see how badly things can go to hell.
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First of all, never let ATC fly your airplane for you. You should not fly faster than the regs dictate (for safety reasons). Take a look at the Aviation Safety Letter issue 1/2000 pages 7 & 8 and see what excess speed can do to an airplane when it hits something. Cheers.
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Ummm, I don't think that in limbo was looking for a sermon or lecture thermostat. And I don't think that it matters whether you hit something at 200 or 250 or 300 knots. To answer the question you must always obey the speed limits unless you get approved by ATC for high speed. It's like a contact approach you can do it but you have to request it first. ATC will not suggest it.
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I'm not entirely positive about this, but I believe that our systems and rules are very similar. Here in New Zealand, ATC will give you an altitude to descend to, and will say "No speed restriction" if the 250 kts below 10'000ft does not need to be followed. If the do not say "No speed", then the not above 250 kts below 10'000ft rule applies. They can ask you what the fastest speed you can give them to a 4 mile final is, you nominate a speed, then you are expected to fly that speed. Inside 4 miles, they cannot dictate, or ask you to fly any speed, it is up to you to configure and stabilise the approach. But never fly a speed that is not comfortable for you. When I did my Instrument rating test flight a few years ago, in an Aztec, I flew at about 100kts on the ILS. I could have done 150 or 160, but why? I would not have been comfortable, and at the end of the day, it's not a race. The idea is to get there safely, and if 100kts is safe for someone, then ATC will just adjust the spacing to account for that. I'm sure you did not want a lecture or sermon, just dipping my oar into the conversation.
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To an F16 with engine trouble, "You're number 2 behind the B52 with one engine shut down." Reply "Oh no, not the dreaded 7 engine approach!"
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To an F16 with engine trouble, "You're number 2 behind the B52 with one engine shut down." Reply "Oh no, not the dreaded 7 engine approach!"
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Didn't want to do this but.....
"On Jan 9, '98 a B727-200 departed Houston Texas. Climbing through 6000 ft the crew heard a loud bang followed by much vibration. Noise level was so high, comm almost impossible.....the #1 engine lost some fan blades and vibration caused cowling doors to become unlatched.....#2 engine lost fan blades, #3 engine had a damaged pylon.... radome departed the aircraft along with the antenna...pressure bulkhead penetrated...leading edge of both wings damaged...kruger flaps (plus adjacent wing area)and inboard slat on right wing punctured...f/o's pitot tube torn off...$5,000,000 damage.
Cause of damage was collision with a flock of snow geese at 280 kt at 6000 ft asl.
The aircraft was doing high-speed departure trials.... to test for gains in efficiency.
The impact force increases with the square of speed......aircraft components like engenes, windshields, and leading edge devices are not designed to withstand high-speed impacts."
So no more high-speed departures/arrivals for me thank you, and I won't let ATC fly my airplane for me either.
"An enlightened pilot is a safe pilot"
Cheers.
"On Jan 9, '98 a B727-200 departed Houston Texas. Climbing through 6000 ft the crew heard a loud bang followed by much vibration. Noise level was so high, comm almost impossible.....the #1 engine lost some fan blades and vibration caused cowling doors to become unlatched.....#2 engine lost fan blades, #3 engine had a damaged pylon.... radome departed the aircraft along with the antenna...pressure bulkhead penetrated...leading edge of both wings damaged...kruger flaps (plus adjacent wing area)and inboard slat on right wing punctured...f/o's pitot tube torn off...$5,000,000 damage.
Cause of damage was collision with a flock of snow geese at 280 kt at 6000 ft asl.
The aircraft was doing high-speed departure trials.... to test for gains in efficiency.
The impact force increases with the square of speed......aircraft components like engenes, windshields, and leading edge devices are not designed to withstand high-speed impacts."
So no more high-speed departures/arrivals for me thank you, and I won't let ATC fly my airplane for me either.
"An enlightened pilot is a safe pilot"
Cheers.
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Thermostat.......would the damage to a departing 727 at normal speeds, and I don't know exactly what that would be, but probably around 200-220kts, be the same hitting the snow geese, as at 260kts? The snow geese is a large bird, and I'm not sure that 40kts, even upto 60kts, would make much difference to the damage inflicted to the aircraft.
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Treholer, why are you wasting space replying to my post when it is obvious you have little or now knowledge of:
a. pprune: it is a worldwide forum that anybody can enter into, reply to and debate, like adults, any posting in the forums.
b. Any information of value to add to the discussion.
For your information, I grew up over in Canada, so I have an interest in aviation over there and I have alot of friends that fly all over Canada. If you read my initial reply, then you will notice I said I was not positve about the systems similarities, but thought I might reply to the discussion. Are you so small minded that you do not like to hear of aviation in other areas of the world? I do not consider anyones reply a waste of space, except for yours. If you take note of the personal profiles, you will see that I am employed as a pilot here in New Zealand. I notice there are no details in your personal profile......now why would that be I wonder? If you can't reply to the postings in an informative, grown up manner, then stick to just reading them. If you have something informative to add to the thread then please do so. Treholer, as your name suggests, are you currently flying the 727? If so, perhaps you could enlighten us with some real information, instead of using your first posting to show yourself as a small minded individual.
And to Thermostat, don't take my post as a doubting of the accident analysis, I was curious as to the differnces in damage that would be inflicted at a normal departure speed, instead of a high speed departure.
a. pprune: it is a worldwide forum that anybody can enter into, reply to and debate, like adults, any posting in the forums.
b. Any information of value to add to the discussion.
For your information, I grew up over in Canada, so I have an interest in aviation over there and I have alot of friends that fly all over Canada. If you read my initial reply, then you will notice I said I was not positve about the systems similarities, but thought I might reply to the discussion. Are you so small minded that you do not like to hear of aviation in other areas of the world? I do not consider anyones reply a waste of space, except for yours. If you take note of the personal profiles, you will see that I am employed as a pilot here in New Zealand. I notice there are no details in your personal profile......now why would that be I wonder? If you can't reply to the postings in an informative, grown up manner, then stick to just reading them. If you have something informative to add to the thread then please do so. Treholer, as your name suggests, are you currently flying the 727? If so, perhaps you could enlighten us with some real information, instead of using your first posting to show yourself as a small minded individual.
And to Thermostat, don't take my post as a doubting of the accident analysis, I was curious as to the differnces in damage that would be inflicted at a normal departure speed, instead of a high speed departure.
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Nose Gear, InLimbo asked a question of Canadian Pilots about Canadian procedures, whilst it may be interesting for him to know about NZ procedures you didn't really answer his question did you. BTW the 727 climbs at 280 KIAS into M.78 but can achieve 370 into .88 at light weights. Speaking of light weights what do you fly NG?
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Tre, in a lot of peoples opinion (see 747 pilots) the 737 is a light twin! I have never flown a 72, although I have heard that the performance is pretty good. Did not mean to give the impression that it was not a good machine. Just never flown one before. Who still operates them in Canada? We can communicate via email, if you prefer. Mine is in my profile.
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To answer the original poster...only the Minister of Transport can wave the 250kts. below 10,000'. That is usually in the form of a letter for airshows. However, the term "unrestricted" or "keep the speed up" waves the 200 below 3,000 with 10nms. of an aerodrome with the intent of landing. Hope this helps!
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You ask the question then you dispute the answer. Check your AIP and the next Captain who argues the point with you spell it out for him. The 200 below 3 within 10 CAN BE WAVED with the words "keep the speed up". Also if your min. clean speed exceeds 200 kts.(which is the case with most airliners) you will not be violated. Good idea to let ATC know though. 'nough said!
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Hey NoseGear don't worry about that arrogant a** treholer. Some of dem dere First Air pilots are just always pissed off for some reason. Maybe because they have to fly dem "light" threeholers....? Don't even bother asking either threeholer... CX doesn't have any light aircraft.
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